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hydrogen peroxide bad for dogs? - 6/7/2006 11:26:19 PM

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the vet says to clean the flaps of his mouth with hydrogen but when I do some accidently gets into his mouth he ends up essentialy drinking a very very tiny tiny amount.

That's not going to hurt him is it/?

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RE: hydrogen peroxide bad for dogs? - 6/7/2006 11:33:14 PM

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I don't think it will hurt him as humans can rise their mouth out with it too. You might want to take a Q-tip and do it though with the dog.

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RE: hydrogen peroxide bad for dogs? - 6/7/2006 11:33:56 PM

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and in doing so we may swallow tiny amounts.

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RE: hydrogen peroxide bad for dogs? - 6/7/2006 11:35:48 PM

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Go to a local health food store and buy food grade peroxide for the dog.

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RE: hydrogen peroxide bad for dogs? - 6/7/2006 11:41:20 PM

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When two of my dogs were spayed my vet instructed me to wash the incision liberally with peroxide, in doing so both would end up licking some of the peroxide. It did not harm them, but I have no idea how much would be considered poisoning, as I am not a vet and did not think to even ask at that time.

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RE: hydrogen peroxide bad for dogs? - 6/7/2006 11:57:38 PM

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Good sugestion wulf, even peroxide don't help the sores but it cleans the gunk out of them. I was cleaning them and putting neosporin on them and taking him to the vets for them all the time to no avail.

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RE: hydrogen peroxide bad for dogs? - 6/7/2006 11:59:54 PM

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Good sugestion wulf, even peroxide don't help the sores but it cleans the gunk out of them. I was cleaning them and putting neosporin on them and taking him to the vets for them all the time to no avail. to clean it with a q tip assures nones eaten, but it also upsets the dog cause it forces me to dig around a sensitive spot on his mouth, laying him down and pouring it right onto the site is less traumatic, assuming I can get him to lay down with out forcing him by using my size as a human to manually roll him over.,

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RE: hydrogen peroxide bad for dogs? - 6/8/2006 5:29:21 AM

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I dont like peroxide makes flesh necrotic if it has some damage.

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RE: hydrogen peroxide bad for dogs? - 6/8/2006 5:52:13 AM

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Go to a local health food store and buy food grade peroxide for the dog.

I think this is a great suggestion. Just remember that food grade hydrogen peroxide is very caustic stuff. You need to dilute it as instructed.

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RE: hydrogen peroxide bad for dogs? - 6/8/2006 6:17:25 AM

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I have used peroxide off and on all of my life and have never seen, read or heard of necropsy being a result. Peroxide does not 'kill' the skin. Must admit too, I have never heard of 'food grade' peroxide either, as it is a poison. All peroxide does is kill the protein that is comes in contact with, hence the foaming and thus starves bacteria. Swallowing a little is not a problem at all. Swallowing a bottle could be fatal.

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RE: hydrogen peroxide bad for dogs? - 6/8/2006 6:40:58 AM

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I dont know maybe someone in the medical profession will explain it, but when I used it lets say on a large cut it turns skin and flesh white and mooshy.

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RE: hydrogen peroxide bad for dogs? - 6/8/2006 6:43:41 AM

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Hydrogen peroxide that is purchased at your local drug store is 3%. Food grade hydrogen peroxide is 30 to 35%. It is extremely caustic and can cause severe burns. It must be properly diluted to be consumed. It works as follows. Once in the body, the hydrogen peroxide breaks down into various oxygen subspecies which contact anaerobic virii and microbes (virii and microbes that have the ability to live without air), as well as diseased or deficient tissue cells. It oxidizes these cells while leaving the healthy cells alone. When the body becomes saturated with these special forms of oxygen, it reaches a state of purity wherein disease microorganisms are killed, while the underlying toxicity is oxidized and eliminated. It has been said to have capablities that could possibly cure everything from Herpes to cancer when taken internally in the proper amounts.

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RE: hydrogen peroxide bad for dogs? - 6/8/2006 6:52:16 AM

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ok as a vet tech i can tell you that it will make your dogs throw up if you use 3% and if they ingest enough of it, it takes about 3 table spoons for a 100 lb dog. useing it clean their wounds inside their mouths will not really hurt them if you keep it to the infected area. keep in mind that any wound inside the mouth will take longer to heal, due to it always being wet. if at any point there is a yellow or grenn discharge get them to the vet for antibiotics. it will bubble and turn white when applied to the wound, this is what its supposed to do. just make sure that they have plenty of clean drinking water as well.

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RE: hydrogen peroxide bad for dogs? - 6/8/2006 6:54:32 AM

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I dont know maybe someone in the medical profession will explain it, but when I used it lets say on a large cut it turns skin and flesh white and mooshy.

Hydrogen peroxide is a very strong oxidizing agent. Another more common example of an oxiding agent would be bleach. Thus the whiteness. There is a blood based proteing called catalase that speeds up the breakdown of peroxide into oxygen. When it is bubbling what you are witnessing is this breakdown and the fast production of oxygen.

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RE: hydrogen peroxide bad for dogs? - 6/8/2006 7:03:40 AM

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Actually, wounds inside the mouth or other mucosal tissue heal at a much more rapid rate than skin. Much research has been and continues to be done on this.

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RE: hydrogen peroxide bad for dogs? - 6/8/2006 9:58:49 AM

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OK here I go again. [teacher mode engaged]

What hydrogen peroxide is is simply water with an extra weakly-bonded oxygen atom H2O2. When it encounters a number of substances, it releases that extra atom as mono-atomic oxygen. This creates a situation that is somewhat hostile to bacteria, but mainly the foaming created from the released oxygen dislodges them so they can be removed. Three percent hydrogen peroxide is FDA approved as a mouthwash for humans. Three to five percent is termed "food grade" by the FDA.

I'd say your dog is safe as long as you don't end up with concentrated hydrogen peroxide (the stuff that drives torpedos) and that's about as likely as you getting hit by a meteor while winning the lottery. In any case, you'd need a special permit from the government. Even before 9/11, they were a bit nervous about that stuff.

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RE: hydrogen peroxide bad for dogs? - 6/8/2006 11:42:29 AM

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OK here I go again. [teacher mode engaged]

Three to five percent is termed "food grade" by the FDA.

I have to disagree.

Grades of Hydrogen Peroxide
Hydrogen peroxide is available in various strengths and grades.

A) 3.5% Pharmaceutical Grade: This is the grade sold at your local drugstore or supermarket. This product is not recommended for internal use. It contains an assortment of stabilizers which shouldn't be ingested. Various stabilizers include: acetanilide, phenol, sodium stanate and tertrasodium phosphate.

B) 6% Beautician Grade: This is used in beauty shops to color hair and is not recommended for internal use.
C) 30% Reagent Grade: This is used for various scientific experimentation and also contains stabilizers. It is also not for internal use.
D) 30% to 32% Electronic Grade: This is used to clean electronic parts and not for internal use.
E) 35% Technical Grade: This is a more concentrated product than the Reagent Grade and differs slightly in that phosphorus is added to help neutralize any chlorine from the water used to dilute it.
F) 35% Food Grade: This is used in the production of foods like cheese, eggs, and whey-containing products. It is also sprayed on the foil lining of aseptic packages containing fruit juices and milk products. THIS IS THE ONLY GRADE RECOMMENDED FOR INTERNAL USE. It is available in pints, quarts, gallons or even drums.
G) 90%: This is used as an oxygen source for rocket fuel.

Only 35% Food Grade hydrogen peroxide is recommended for internal use. At this concentration, however, hydrogen peroxide is a very strong oxidizer and if not diluted, it can be extremely dangerous or even fatal. Any concentrations over 10% can cause neurological reactions and damage to the upper gastrointestinal tract. There have been two known fatalities in children who ingested 27% and 40% concentrations of H202. Recently, a 26 month old female swallowed one mouthful of 35% H202. She immediately began vomiting, followed by fainting and respiratory arrest. Fortunately, she was under emergency room care and although she experienced erosion and bleeding of the stomach and esophagus, she survived the incident. When she was re-examined 12 days later, the areas involved had healed (J Toxicol Clin Toxicol 90;28(1):95-100).
35% Food Grade H202 must be

1) handled carefully (direct contact will burn the skin--immediate flushing with water is recommended).
2) diluted properly before use. 3) stored safely and properly (after making a dilution the remainder should be stored tightly sealed in the freezer).

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RE: hydrogen peroxide bad for dogs? - 6/8/2006 12:01:15 PM

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I no longer have access the FDA manuals, but after your comment I checked Wickipedia and came up with "The Food and Drug Administration has approved 3% hydrogen peroxide ("Food-Grade," or without added chemical stabilisers) for use as a mouthwash" but other sources give a higher percentage, I have accept I may have misspoken in this case.

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RE: hydrogen peroxide bad for dogs? - 6/8/2006 12:24:52 PM

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Yeah, when my tiny 8lb dog ate chocolate, vet told me to make my dog drink some peroxide to make her throw the chocolate back up...........................

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