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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

The question is how to go step by step to improve the American health care system.

Something that they have had hundreds of years to think about and still to this day have done nothing.

I think the inept republican goon and thug whine is getting a little hole in its sole, nowaday. 

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Put it up to a vote, see who likes the government to assume so much dictatorial power that they give themselves full authority to force people to purchase a given products and / or service

This isnt just about health insurance

See ya this fall

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Put it up to a vote, see who likes the government to assume so much dictatorial power that they give themselves full authority to force people to purchase a given products and / or service

This isnt just about health insurance

See ya this fall

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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My question is, how many of these 30 Million don't have insurance because they DON'T want it? How many are healthy
20 or 30 somethings, or millionaires who are self insured because of deep pockets?

So we are basing things upon what people want or dont want.

Lets get rid of the drinking age.. Im sure the 20 somethings believe they could have handled all that alcohol before 18.
Lets let 22-80 year olds vote as well, shall we?
Lets get rid of car insurance... after all... people dont want to pay that.
You already have two options, a surety bond, or don't fucking drive

Lets get rid of speeding laws... people surely dont want to pay for speeding tickets.
states have already raised the limits from 55 to over 8o in some states, how fast do you want to drive? Then elect a politician that will vow to raise the limit... Oh yeah, and make sure people don't whine about deaths due to auto accidents too, Ms I can handle infinity speed limits.

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What they fail to point out is, hospitals just don't write these people off, only the poor ones who don't have any money... The rest pay for the service received, either by cash on the spot, payment arrangements with the hospitals, or when the bill is turned over to a collection agency. Either way, the bill does get paid, and is not written off.

How do they force someone to pay? Credit report? Collection service? Come on, rob.. even you know better than this.

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Again, I ask, how does the poor subsidy get paid for if the rich and middle class buy the minimal coverage to avoid a penalty? Where will the money come from to pay for these 30 million new insurance policies?

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Nope thats not how it happened, doughnut hole, I bet rush finds it nice in there.

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It's amazing how bad credit affects people, isn't this how the housing bubble happened? People with bad credit buying $100,000 homes without the ability to pay for them?

Again, I ask, how does the poor subsidy get paid for if the rich and middle class buy the minimal coverage to avoid a penalty? Where will the money come from to pay for these 30 million new insurance policies?

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Just like the Administration’s budget from last year, there isn’t a hint of the health insurance exchange subsidies in the fiscal year 2013 Presidential budget, released this morning. The subsidies, which will be established as part of the Affordable Care Act (ACA), will help qualified individuals pay for insurance on the state exchanges when they are up and running in 2014.

Why wouldn’t the President want to mention this key component of his health reform law in the budget? Well maybe because the subsidies will cost $645 billion between 2012 and 2022 as scored by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) in its latest economic outlook – and that excludes 2012 and 2013 because the exchanges will not have been established. By 2022, these subsidies will cost $104 billion per year, becoming the fourth largest mandatory spending program after Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

The CBO’s 2022 figure could in fact be a low-end estimate if employers decide to drop health insurance coverage and decide to pay a $2000 penalty because the subsidies are extremely generous. For example, a family with an income of 250% of federal poverty level would receive $7,530. Employers would then have an incentive to stop paying for health insurance because it is less expensive to pay the penalty and allow their employees to receive coverage in the state exchanges. This would lead to a tripling of the number of individuals receiving the subsidies, according to a paper by Douglas Holtz-Eakin.

In any case, the President was deceptively clever to sweep any mention of the health insurance exchange subsidies under the rug because they are exorbitantly expensive. He doesn’t need to give critics any more reason to label him a “spend and tax” president.

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ORIGINAL: papassion


If we cut way back on defense spending, bend over and take whatever Russia or China want to do with your ass. Unless your military is on a par (or better) than everyone else, what else can you do but "bend over." Putin is making Russia a military power again. Stand by.

Can you name any civilization in history that got "enlightened" and disarmed, that did not get taken over by the "unenlightened?"

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Why wouldn’t the President want to mention this key component of his health reform law in the budget? Well maybe because the subsidies will cost $645 billion between 2012 and 2022 as scored by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) in its latest economic outlook – and that excludes 2012 and 2013 because the exchanges will not have been established. By 2022, these subsidies will cost $104 billion per year, becoming the fourth largest mandatory spending program after Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Why wouldn’t the President want to mention this key component of his health reform law in the budget? Well maybe because the subsidies will cost $645 billion between 2012 and 2022 as scored by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) in its latest economic outlook – and that excludes 2012 and 2013 because the exchanges will not have been established. By 2022, these subsidies will cost $104 billion per year, becoming the fourth largest mandatory spending program after Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

Funny, I went to the link included in your little 'truth', and those figures you offer never appear.

and, oh my, as to your source...

http://americanactionforum.org/aaf/about

Jeb Bush? Come on...

I said read the law... not someone else's interpretation.