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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/18/2012 4:41:39 PM   
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Interesting...

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/18/2012 8:41:57 PM   
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I have during my adult life lived in Mo, Ca, Tx, Md, and Al. I have noticed that words and phrases do not carry the same meaning in all parts of the country. For example in Mo, Tx, and Al the phrase I'm not going to run means you are about to kick somebody's tail end. Even in Md it means you will confront them.


Okay...during your adult life you lived in Mo, Ca, Tx, Md, and Al.  And you admit that words and phrases do not carry the same meaning in all parts of the country.  So...when you were 17 were you living in Fl?  And at that time were you being followed, chased, and hunted on a dark rainy night by some asshole that you've never seen before in your life?  And did you happen to hide from him in the shrubs next to a building?  If so, you might also say, "I'm not going to run," because to run would mean you would again be exposing your location to the son-of-a-bitch.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/18/2012 9:15:02 PM   
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Hannity interviewed Zimmerman tonight on FOX. The investigators gave him 3 polygraphs and none showed any deseption. Unless he somehow beat the tests which I doubt I would tend to believe his story at this point and wonder why he was charged with second degree murder.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/18/2012 10:03:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am troubled by the allegations of Zimmerman being a molester.

The responses, even those of "I don't care", are disturbing. More disturbing, is that I've seen W9 being called a liar on other forums.

These types of responses show perfectly why children who are molested don't come forward at all and those who do come forward do so years after the abuse has ended.

Nobody likes to think about what a molestation or rape victim endures. And most of us don't want to believe that a child can endure that and not speak for years and years.

But it happens all the time. From personal experience, I know this to be true. I survivor of childhood sexual abuse often blocks the abuse, not only denies that it ever happened, but actually pushes it so far into the back of their mind that they don't remember it. Until something in their adult life that it brings a flood of memories.

I'm not saying this is what happened with W9. I'm not even unequivocally that W9 is telling the truth. What I am saying is that her story should be given weight on the accusation alone. At least until such a time that no evidence or even back-up stories are discovered.

As for the story's admissibility in court...I'm almost positive this will not be used when Corey argues her case, but it will be reserved for rebuttal to discredit anything Zimmerman says when/if he takes the stand. It may not be used at all. But it is something Corey wants Germaine to her case if needed to prove Zimmerman a liar and a repeat offender when it comes to dealing with those who less power than himself. And we all must be aware and acknowledge how powerful must of felt the night of the shooting with his gun at the ready.

In answer to the question asked several pages about changing the race of Zimmerman and Martin...

Race was never a question for me. Somebody shoots and kills an unarmed kid who is doing but walking in the early evening and I'd want the shooter strung up.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/18/2012 10:18:28 PM   
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Hannity interviewed Zimmerman tonight on FOX. The investigators gave him 3 polygraphs and none showed any deseption. Unless he somehow beat the tests which I doubt I would tend to believe his story at this point and wonder why he was charged with second degree murder.



Really, one of the most interesting quotes of Zimmman saying he regretted nothing because he believed “it was all God’s plan for me to kill Trayvon Martin.” He also said there isn’t anything he would do differently in retrospect.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/18/2012 10:20:56 PM   
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Wow. Just in case you forgot what a fine piece of work George Zimmerman is, http://www.kalw.org/post/woman-accuses-george-zimmerman-molesting-her-years


fargle.. even I cant get behind this story. No conviction... was there even a trial? Im not saying she was lying... but he isnt on trial for anything even remotely close to this.



This is one thing I agree with you on. Knowing now who she is and some of her history there are some major reasons to be skeptical of her claims, but knowing victims of actual molestation it's hard to be too critical out of feeling like I'm belittling actual victims.

The Defense has stuff to discredit her testimony though, one of which O'Mara already mentioned (She claims she wanted this all kept secret because her family loves George, yet she's tried to sell the story to People Magazine and others).


So you say

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/07/17/531211/george-zimmermans-attorney-smears-molestation-accuser-falsely-claims-she-tried-to-sell-story-to-people-magazine/

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/18/2012 10:22:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I did not believe a word he said.. as far as passing the polygraphs, there is a good reason why they arent admissible and thats cuz psychopaths (as I believe Zimmy is) can easily pass them.. He lied when he said that witness 9 (the one he is accused of molesting) was the only one that said he was a racist, the co-worker he harassed that filed a complaint with their employer said Zimmy was racist and a liar.. And imo there were things he said that didnt make sense.. he shoots someone, then tells a neighbor to call his wife, not call an ambulance, yet he claims he didnt know he killed the kid until an a hour after he arrived at the cop shop???.. he was studying criminal law yet he doesnt know about SYG???.. just a lot of things he said that imo are lies.. he refuses to take the stand about his first bail hearing yet he goes on tv for a 2 part interview??? why does he do an interview and try to sway potential jurors??? and again with the bad movie lines he claimed Martin said to him during the confrontation and fight.. and that Martin hit Zimmy's head against the concrete more than a dozen times.. I dont believe him when he said he didnt continue to chase after Martin.. I just do not believe anything he said about what happened..

And it would not surprise me at all if Zimmy refuses to take the stand during his trial.. (even tho he has done this tv interview)

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/18/2012 10:33:30 PM   
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Hannity interviewed Zimmerman tonight on FOX. The investigators gave him 3 polygraphs and none showed any deseption. Unless he somehow beat the tests which I doubt I would tend to believe his story at this point and wonder why he was charged with second degree murder.



Really, one of the most interesting quotes of Zimmman saying he regretted nothing because he believed “it was all God’s plan for me to kill Trayvon Martin.” He also said there isn’t anything he would do differently in retrospect.



Actually he revised his answer because he thought the question was referring to what he did after being arrested.


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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/18/2012 10:40:25 PM   
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I did not believe a word he said.. as far as passing the polygraphs, there is a good reason why they arent admissible and thats cuz psychopaths (as I believe Zimmy is) can easily pass them.. He lied when he said that witness 9 (the one he is accused of molesting) was the only one that said he was a racist, the co-worker he harassed that filed a complaint with their employer said Zimmy was racist and a liar.. And imo there were things he said that didnt make sense.. he shoots someone, then tells a neighbor to call his wife, not call an ambulance, yet he claims he didnt know he killed the kid until an a hour after he arrived at the cop shop???.. he was studying criminal law yet he doesnt know about SYG???.. just a lot of things he said that imo are lies.. he refuses to take the stand about his first bail hearing yet he goes on tv for a 2 part interview??? why does he do an interview and try to sway potential jurors??? and again with the bad movie lines he claimed Martin said to him during the confrontation and fight.. and that Martin hit Zimmy's head against the concrete more than a dozen times.. I dont believe him when he said he didnt continue to chase after Martin.. I just do not believe anything he said about what happened..

And it would not surprise me at all if Zimmy refuses to take the stand during his trial.. (even tho he has done this tv interview)

JMO


Come on, really, he's a psychopath now. It's amazing the stuff you guys come up with. Thats reslly a stretch. It's not an easy thing to beat a lie detector.


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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/18/2012 10:42:11 PM   
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Come on, really, he's a psychopath now. It's amazing the stuff you guys come up with. Thats reslly a stretch. It's not an easy thing to beat a lie detector.


you can believe whatever you want, i believe he is one..

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/18/2012 11:06:47 PM   
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I have during my adult life lived in Mo, Ca, Tx, Md, and Al. I have noticed that words and phrases do not carry the same meaning in all parts of the country. For example in Mo, Tx, and Al the phrase I'm not going to run means you are about to kick somebody's tail end. Even in Md it means you will confront them.



That is complete and utter horse manure and you know it.

Completely fabricated, on the spot, just in this thread, just in that post.

How often did you actually hear the phrase "I'm not going to run," in TX, MO, AL, or anywhere else? How often did you see one person following another and not want to call the police? Probably never in your case, 'professional courtesy' and all that. You come across to me as a follower or molester of some sort, with your statement. Almost any normal person would call the police if they saw a person aggressively following another, as Zimmerman was doing.

Here's the reality of how it works in the South, in the North, in the West, in Europe or China or Africa or South America: If somebody is following you, it's because they intend harm or ill will towards you- period. That is the understanding in any world outside of your own wacko mind. Any response to someone openly displaying that he intends harm, as in following and then intently closing the distance, is liable for whatever response to that overt aggression, and that is the understanding in any state I have ever been in. NC, GA, VA, IL, SC, CA, and Arkansas here, with almost every other state along the way.


Whatever you drank or put up your nose, go sleep it off, and don't speak in this matter further if you want to avoid arrest or ass kicking, whichever comes first.







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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/18/2012 11:37:20 PM   
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Hannity interviewed Zimmerman tonight on FOX. The investigators gave him 3 polygraphs and none showed any deseption. Unless he somehow beat the tests which I doubt I would tend to believe his story at this point and wonder why he was charged with second degree murder.


There's a reason polygraphs aren't admissible evidence. It's because people who habitually bully people, but portray themselves as the victim have developed the ability to con people with a straight face, a steady pulse, and not breaking a sweat.

Classic Grifter Behaviour. "Lying with a straight face"... Just like Zimmerman lied about not having any money.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/18/2012 11:38:39 PM   
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I have during my adult life lived in Mo, Ca, Tx, Md, and Al. I have noticed that words and phrases do not carry the same meaning in all parts of the country. For example in Mo, Tx, and Al the phrase I'm not going to run means you are about to kick somebody's tail end. Even in Md it means you will confront them.



That is complete and utter horse manure and you know it.

Completely fabricated, on the spot, just in this thread, just in that post.

Here's the reality of how it works in the South, in the North, in the West, in Europe or China or Africa or South America: If somebody is following you, it's because they intend harm or ill will towards you- period. That is the understanding in any world outside of your own wacko mind. Any response to someone openly displaying that he intends harm, as in following and then intently closing the distance, is liable for whatever response to that overt aggression, and that is the understanding in any state or country I have ever been in. NC, GA, VA, IL, SC, CA, and Arkansas here.


Whatever you drank or put up your nose, go sleep it off.





Must have struck a nerve with this onee that you do not give a different meaning to that phrased as it is used where you are. And I have stated that Martin not knowing who Zimmerman was may well have felt threated. Two people attacked me over this post both by justifing Martins actions. Neither by giving an alternate meaning to the phrase.

Did I say that Martin did not feel threatened NO
Did I say that with what he knew Martin was not acting in self defense NO

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/18/2012 11:39:23 PM   
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Hannity interviewed Zimmerman tonight on FOX. The investigators gave him 3 polygraphs and none showed any deseption. Unless he somehow beat the tests which I doubt I would tend to believe his story at this point and wonder why he was charged with second degree murder.



Really, one of the most interesting quotes of Zimmman saying he regretted nothing because he believed “it was all God’s plan for me to kill Trayvon Martin.” He also said there isn’t anything he would do differently in retrospect.



"Anyone But Zimmerman"... Now it's his god's fault.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/19/2012 12:12:11 AM   
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Whatever you drank or put up your nose, go sleep it off, and don't speak in this matter further if you want to avoid arrest or ass kicking, whichever comes first.

Are you fucking serious with this shit?

The Mods are going to pull this for Me saying it, but get your ass in check.



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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/19/2012 12:22:37 AM   
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Must have struck a nerve with this one



Yes you did.

When I went from Catholic school to public school I had no notion of people following me down the hall and wanting to beat me up, as to prior experience. Public school teachers are natural born wet noodles, that's all I can say about that. Moving to an inner city environment presented likewise issues. It took me a couple of years to get acclimated to that new environment. Recognizing when you were being followed meant surviving. It took me two years further to figure out that all I had to do was laugh at them (antagonistic students) instead of fight them. It worked better than I thought it would.

But what I don't understand from your and some others' posts is that you think that the person defending himself should be put on the defense stand here. It doesn't matter if someone says "I'm not going to run" nearly as much as the overtly aggressive action that would lead to such a statement in the first place, however otherwise it might be expressed.

Being aggressively followed is considered to be much more intentionally aggressive and universally considered as much more antagonistic than any response of "I'm not going to run," however best translated regarding whatever region.

When I went to public school, if I didn't figure out some way to not run, I never would have survived. Pardon my aggression there.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/19/2012 12:26:24 AM   
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Whatever you drank or put up your nose, go sleep it off, and don't speak in this matter further if you want to avoid arrest or ass kicking, whichever comes first.

Are you fucking serious with this shit?

The Mods are going to pull this for Me saying it, but get your ass in check.





Hello.

Glad to see that you aren't obsessed with this thread or anything, considering your recent post on that issue, concerning others, not yourself, of course.


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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/19/2012 12:36:39 AM   
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Hello.

Glad to see that you aren't obsessed with this thread or anything, considering your recent post on that issue, concerning others, not yourself, of course.

I'm not obsessed, but I will admit, lately, I have noticed those who are, and that has brought Me concern. Yes, that has caused Me worry. It is not My wish that people would revolve around this topic. I would hope for something else.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/19/2012 12:40:53 AM   
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I was away from it for more than eight weeks, if that helps.

Still does not prevent me from saying asinine things at the opportunity, as you so gleefully point out.


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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/19/2012 12:48:43 AM   
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Must have struck a nerve with this one



Yes you did.

When I went from Catholic school to public school I had no notion of people following me down the hall and wanting to beat me up, as to prior experience. Public school teachers are natural born wet noodles, that's all I can say about that. Moving to an inner city environment presented likewise issues. It took me a couple of years to get acclimated to that new environment. Recognizing when you were being followed meant surviving. It took me two years further to figure out that all I had to do was laugh at them (antagonistic students) instead of fight them. It worked better than I thought it would.

But what I don't understand from your and some others' posts is that you think that the person defending himself should be put on the defense stand here. It doesn't matter if someone says "I'm not going to run" nearly as much as the overtly aggressive action that would lead to such a statement in the first place, however otherwise it might be expressed.

Being aggressively followed is considered to be much more intentionally aggressive and universally considered as much more antagonistic than any response of "I'm not going to run," however best translated regarding whatever region.

When I went to public school, if I didn't figure out some way to not run, I never would have survived. Pardon my aggression there.

Your insecurities are not my problem.
Your self proclaimed superority is not my problem.
Your arrogance is not my problem.
Your knee jerk reaction to insult anyone you don;t agree with is not my problem.
Your cronic vulgarity is not my problem.
come down and face the fact that when we mere mortals say we arn't going to run it leaves us with too choices
One accept that the other one can do what they want ( I always found that laughing at an agressor force him to back up his threat)
Two teach him to leave you alone either thru intemidation or force

Since you seem to have trouble comprehending this I will repeat it one more time.

NONE OF THIS MEANS THAT MARTIN DID NOT SEE THIS AS SELF DEFENSE.

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