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Thank you for trying to encourage civility.

Sorry misdirected this post it was suppossed to be directed to LadyPact

But anyway, I think you are trying to get it through my thick head that you are not claiming that Martin had no right to defend himself.

We disagree on details, maybe.

No I am tring to get it through to you that both were convenced that they were only defending themselves.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

It was for the consumption of hanity viewers.....the mouth-breathers......that`s it.


And as you can see from the general reaction......no one bought it .....if anything....folks have lost any possible sympathy for George.



And trying this case in the media after all the whining about the media is a bit more than disingenuous.



And if helping George`s case was the purpose......chulk up another fail for team-zim.

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

It was for the consumption of hanity viewers.....the mouth-breathers......that`s it.


And as you can see from the general reaction......no one bought it .....if anything....folks have lost any possible sympathy for George.



And trying this case in the media after all the whining about the media is a bit more than disingenuous.



And if helping George`s case was the purpose......chulk up another fail for team-zim.

You and all the others and anti gun types as well who rushed to judgment didn't buy it because you don't want to. If TM hadn't punched Zimmy in the nose we wouldn't be having this discussion. TM was culpable in his death. Save it for when Zimmy walks, you can scream about it then.

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Had Z not been a vigilante bent on violence, he wouldn't have been punched either!....CUlpability will be proven, but I doubt you will care for the outcome.

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Had Z not been a vigilante bent on violence, he wouldn't have been punched either!....CUlpability will be proven, but I doubt you will care for the outcome.

That whole carrying a gun thing, as a community watch person, negates your argument....sorry...

And once again you are making that up. You don't know that as much as you could say that every neighborhood watch guy out there is a vigilante. You don't know he was bent on violence. He was trying to keep the neighbors from getting their houses burglarized, nothing more nothing less and then this unfortunate freak of nature event happened.

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So what good does it if we do not improve?

All I've been trying to say is either, invoke change or shut the fuck up. You champions for the cause, what differnence have you made in your neighborhood?

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.  LOL!  Two people ATTACKED you?  NOW I see why you keep referring to Martin's defense as an "attack".  And actually I DID give you an alternate meaning.  Just because it doesn't suit your claims doesn't mean it wasn't there.  Also, what we have is Martin's girlfriend's paraphrasing of what Martin said...not his exact words.  He may have said something like, "I can't run any more."  Or, when he said that he may have thought he had lost Zimmerman and didn't NEED to run any more.  But the fact that DeeDee said Martin was talking real low...like he was in hiding...and the fact that in one of Zimmerman's first statements to the police he said he saw Martin emerge from the shrubs is a pretty good indication that he was hiding and so said he wasn't going to run because that would expose his location to Zimmerman again.

So suddenly Dee Dee's memory of what happened which was previously sacred truth is dubious when it hurts your conclusion. If this is to be trown out so is everything else she said.

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Thank you for trying to encourage civility.

Sorry misdirected this post it was suppossed to be directed to LadyPact

But anyway, I think you are trying to get it through my thick head that you are not claiming that Martin had no right to defend himself.

We disagree on details, maybe.

No I am tring to get it through to you that both were convenced that they were only defending themselves.

Pardon me for being 'old school' here, but back in the day an attacker did not have the 'right' of self defense.

Back in the day, when I finally figured out that running wasn't going to do me any good (I was too slow), I brought the situation to the fore when being pursued (fun neighborhood, that was). Martin might or might not have undertaken the same recourse.

We don't know exactly what transpired other than that it was clearly Zimmerman who caused the confrontation, regardless of who made the first move or spoke the first word (once Zimmerman had closed and confined the situation to being within striking distance), and that the person who was being pursued in that instance is now dead.

Even IF we wish to assume that Martin initiated a response to someone whom any normal person would consider as intending harm by his actions, as Zimmerman was, I would have been shot at least ten times, and thousands of kids defending themselves would be shot on a daily basis by such 'standards' of "attackers' right of self defense" being proposed here.

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advised against it and know full well that the police are on the way is not a freak of nature event, it is simple stupidity.

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Getting too close to the edge of a cliff and then falling over it is not a freak of nature event, it is a result of simple stupidity.

Following and pursuing someone when you have no authority to do so and have been specifically advised against it and know full well that the police are on the way is not a freak of nature event, it is simple stupidity.

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Had Z not been a vigilante bent on violence, he wouldn't have been punched either!....CUlpability will be proven, but I doubt you will care for the outcome.

That whole carrying a gun thing, as a community watch person, negates your argument....sorry...

And once again you are making that up. You don't know that as much as you could say that every neighborhood watch guy out there is a vigilante. You don't know he was bent on violence. He was trying to keep the neighbors from getting their houses burglarized, nothing more nothing less and then this unfortunate freak of nature event happened.

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Just following not pursuing, just when did Zimmerman state he was going to detain Martin.

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It was for the consumption of hanity viewers.....the mouth-breathers......that`s it.


And as you can see from the general reaction......no one bought it .....if anything....folks have lost any possible sympathy for George.



And trying this case in the media after all the whining about the media is a bit more than disingenuous.



And if helping George`s case was the purpose......chulk up another fail for team-zim.

You and all the others and anti gun types as well who rushed to judgment didn't buy it because you don't want to. If TM hadn't punched Zimmy in the nose we wouldn't be having this discussion. TM was culpable in his death. Save it for when Zimmy walks, you can scream about it then.

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I'm anti-stupid-people-with-guns.

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Eh, bullshit.  pure unadulterated bullshit.  I own more guns than any of you, and alot of you combined even.   I rarely am involved in shootouts at the local Tedeschi's, or Red Owl.

Sorry, real people rarely carry for shit like that, unless they are pure paranoid, god complexers.   Cuz people aint that worth shooting in the grocery store. 

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http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-19/news/os-george-zimmerman-interview-react-20120719_1_trayvon-martin-special-prosecutor-angela-corey-george-zimmerman

There's a lot in there, but among other things there's the fact that Zimmerman is now on the record with TWO different versions of why he exited his truck. In his report to SPD, he claims he left to get the street name, but on Hannity, he claims he left to get a house number.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Eh, bullshit.  pure unadulterated bullshit.  I own more guns than any of you, and alot of you combined even.   I rarely am involved in shootouts at the local Tedeschi's, or Red Owl.

Sorry, real people rarely carry for shit like that, unless they are pure paranoid, god complexers.   Cuz people aint that worth shooting in the grocery store.