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Thomas Jefferson's Call for Unity - 7/4/2012 9:00:41 AM   
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An interesting take on Thomas Jefferson, from Boston University religion professor Stephen Prothero:

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To be fair, [evangelical minister David] Barton is right to observe that Jefferson was no atheist. He also correctly points out that Jefferson gave money to churches, attended worship services and revered Jesus as a great moral teacher. But does that make him an "orthodox" Christian? Not by a long shot.

Jefferson called the biblical book of Revelation the "ravings of a maniac." He rejected the divinity of Jesus and the virgin birth. He characterized the Trinity as "hocus-pocus phantasm." And in Bibles on display at the Smithsonian, he cut out the Resurrection. To call Jefferson a Christian is to demonstrate disdain for either history or Christianity (or both).

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In our nation's capital, many Republicans and Democrats now treat their political opponents as mortal enemies at war with all that is good and godly in America. And the Supreme Court, which used to be seen as "above" politics, is under closer scrutiny than ever after a string of hotly contested 5-4 rulings. This fervent factionalism is not confined to politics and law, however. It is leeching into science and history. As musician David Byrne of the Talking Heads once put it, even facts now have a point of view.

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The greatest of these efforts to defuse our partisan passions is Jefferson's first inaugural address. Jefferson must have been tempted to use his inauguration day to strike back at his Federalist opponents, who during the election of 1800 — the most venomous in U.S. history — had called him the "great arch priest of Jacobinism and infidelity." And later in his presidency he would write of his desire to "sink federalism into an abyss from which there shall be no resurrection." In this moment, however, he opted for reconciliation.

This 4th of July, after the parades are over, I propose we all devote a few minutes to remembering our least Christian president. Instead of reading Barton, go straight to Jefferson himself and to the words he chose to deliver on his first day as president: "Let us then, fellow citizens, unite with one heart and one mind. Let us restore to social intercourse that harmony and affection without which liberty, and even life itself, are but dreary things. … Every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle. We have called by different names brethren of the same principle. We are all Republicans; we are all federalists."

Essay at Sojourners


Thoughts? Can we, in this fractious age, still unite in one heart and mind? If so, how?



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RE: Thomas Jefferson's Call for Unity - 7/4/2012 11:22:10 AM   
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I don't think Jefferson was an athiest. His views were like
a great many men of the Enlightenment.
He clearly wasn't a fundamentalist Christian.
I think there have been other presidents who
thought as he did. We just have evidence
of his thoughts.

The political divide in this country was there
from the beginning and always will be.
You have two schools of thought and they
are always going to bump heads.

Politics has always had a nasty and dirty
side and always will. Democracy is messy.
It's fascism that made the trains run on time.

Vitriol between political factions isn't new.
On the positive side it's been awhile since
someone was shot or beaten on the floors
of Congress.

I think a lot of the current rancor we see
in public life is related to living in what
the Chinese proverb called interesting
times.

The social movements that started in the
60's, the bitterness and legacy of Watergate,
becoming a digital society. As in the
Industrial Age some things are becoming
or already obsolete.

If there was a time of civilty in American
public life between the world wars I attribute
that to a country that was united by war
and the Depression as much as anything.

I do think that Americans rally in times of
crisis. I think the common ground we have
as Americans trumps differences when
the wolves are at the door.

I don't think the wolves are at the door.
We and the world are having to absorb
some rapid changes. A lot of the turmoil
we are going through isn't that much different
from other turmoil we've weathered.
Democracy can be fragile and we can never
take it for granted but the foundation it's
built on is solid.
The dogs bark but the caravan moves on.

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RE: Thomas Jefferson's Call for Unity - 7/4/2012 11:37:37 AM   
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Everyone wants unity, problem is that everyone wants the rest of us to join with them, when it is obvious they should join with me.

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RE: Thomas Jefferson's Call for Unity - 7/4/2012 12:37:42 PM   
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Some people in the US are clamoring for the equivalent of Sharia law to this day, no question, and it has been that way from the start. We would be in the dirt for for many years, had it gone their way.

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RE: Thomas Jefferson's Call for Unity - 7/4/2012 7:38:40 PM   
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Yes

Unity would be nice but freedom permits multiple viewpoints inconvenient but I prefer it.

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RE: Thomas Jefferson's Call for Unity - 7/4/2012 7:58:11 PM   
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Unity =\= lack of freedom.

In fact, a unified nation can mean much more personal freedom.


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