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ClassIsInSession -> RE: A few points about Healthcare in the US (7/6/2012 4:57:51 AM)

Oh my, I said "You Liberals?" And how many times has someone said I live in a cave, or otherwise attempted to insult my intelligence in the last 24 hours?

All I'm really saying is that if you like being on the government tit, by all means nurse away. Just don't try to force that nipple in my mouth or make me pay for the breast pump.

I'd say something very similar to wing nuts like Santorum wanting to dictate what kind of sex I have. I don't really "fit in" with either party.

Truthfully, if there were an unclaimed land mass somewhere in the world, I'd likely move there just to get away from everyone. Unfortunately, it's all been claimed by someone.




Lucylastic -> RE: A few points about Healthcare in the US (7/6/2012 4:58:47 AM)

CIS...with all due respect........You pay for the shortcomings of others with every tax, fee and insurance you have.
You pay for the feeding, clothing and housing of all the murderers, drug dealers, pedes, thieves, and other assorted crims, you pay for people stealing from stores in higher prices, you pay more insurance on your car, house, boat /vehicle because of idiots and fraud, oh and lets not forget the corruption and wages of every crooked business man and politician.
But you are only moaning about the poor who cant afford to get better.
Theres a whole lot more wrong than healthcare for people that need it, if government run organisations are so bad, work to change it, not just blame it on the party you don't like or people who care about more than money, because its easier than working together to fix the issues.
You may not see it as warranted and being extreme, but you cannot go back to the 1950s or earlier no matter how much you wish to.
just keep ignoring the issues retracting into your shell of personal safety and responsibility.





SilverMark -> RE: A few points about Healthcare in the US (7/6/2012 4:58:55 AM)

"I shouldn't have to pay for the shortcomings of others, nor their lack of financial intelligence, proper planning or otherwise." Sorry, you already do!

"If the dollar hadn't been consistently weakened, health care like everything else wouldn't be such an issue. But tracing back the decisions that led us to this point can demonstrate the bad policy from both parties. Nixon took us off the gold standard completely in 1972. Carter allowed AB pension plans to no longer be fully vested. And on and on it has gone...both parties adding bad policy on top of bad policy. "
An extrapolation of the highest order, that in no way is reflective of much more than your distaste for centralized banking. Health care in and of itself is very well tied to supply and demand, we live longer, we require higher maintenance and technology is expensive. In our progression of health care technology, and no regulation of health care insurance costs are where the issues lie. The effect of the dollar on a non-internationalized industry is at most minimal.

:So if I had a better option, I would start with financial policy first. To do that requires reducing the deficit and opting out of some of the bad decisions like Free Trade Agreements that already exist. Manufacturing sorely needs to return to U.S. soil."

Like NAFTA? Which has been proven over and over again to be most beneficial to the US and less so to it's trading partners? Let's ignore the fact that the rest of the world exists, and some of them can produce goods at much lower cost, and tell the American public, You Can't Have Them!"....yep, that is rooted in reality...

Sorry, the clock cannot be turned back, Americans need to progress in the basics of education to prepare better for the future, not try to live in an era that has long since passed.




Lucylastic -> RE: A few points about Healthcare in the US (7/6/2012 5:00:17 AM)

Mark, it is SO nice to have you posting back again:)




SilverMark -> RE: A few points about Healthcare in the US (7/6/2012 5:01:50 AM)

Thank you Lucy, great to know you are still around<s>....[:D]




Musicmystery -> RE: A few points about Healthcare in the US (7/6/2012 5:02:57 AM)

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And how many times has someone said I live in a cave, or otherwise attempted to insult my intelligence in the last 24 hours?


You really aren't getting this conversation thing.

As I've said no such thing to you, it's damn silly of you to throw the reaction my way.

I think we're done here.




Hillwilliam -> RE: A few points about Healthcare in the US (7/6/2012 5:15:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ClassIsInSession

I don't agree with most everything the religious right has to say. I find them pompous, hypocritical and usually wrong in their judgement.

Unfortunately, they gained control of the once great Republican party.




Moonhead -> RE: A few points about Healthcare in the US (7/6/2012 5:21:49 AM)

"gained control" implies a struggle to do that, but Reagan pretty much handed the GOP over to them all giftwrapped, didn't he?




Owner59 -> RE: A few points about Healthcare in the US (7/6/2012 5:48:51 AM)

"All I'm really saying is that if you like being on the government tit, by all means nurse away. Just don't try to force that nipple in my mouth or make me pay for the breast pump"


Welcome to the world of being a pompous, hypocritical rightie w/ bad judgment.


An illness can make anyone broke in a manner of months......NO ONE is above needing help.


And frankly,I find this foolish POV to be a bit of a hollow boast considering there isn`t a single person left/right or middle who isn`t going to refuse help if they needed it.That sort of blowviation is the definition of pompous.


Maybe someday a group of "patriots" will form a state where no one pays anything to anyone.


Ya`ll can keep your money and your un-policed communities,unbuilt/unprepared roads,teach your own kids,etc. and when/if you run out of money when you get old.....you may enjoy the 1st class treatment and accommodations one experiences in other similar places......like Calcutta......with low taxes and low low services......win win.....




Hillwilliam -> RE: A few points about Healthcare in the US (7/6/2012 6:03:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

"gained control" implies a struggle to do that, but Reagan pretty much handed the GOP over to them all giftwrapped, didn't he?

Actually, he sold it to them for 30 pieces of silver.




Moonhead -> RE: A few points about Healthcare in the US (7/6/2012 7:39:11 AM)

Well, I just hope his apologists feel that the 1980 election was worth worth turning their party into the emu to the religious right's Rod Hull...




Lucylastic -> RE: A few points about Healthcare in the US (7/6/2012 7:42:14 AM)

snorts now theres a visual to make my day brighter




Moonhead -> RE: A few points about Healthcare in the US (7/6/2012 8:31:32 AM)

I should have thought of a more American puppet: that probably isn't a reference that'll cross the Atlantic...




Lucylastic -> RE: A few points about Healthcare in the US (7/6/2012 9:56:37 AM)

Jeff Dunham and Achmed the dead terrorist?
no point in going back further than that:)




LadyHibiscus -> RE: A few points about Healthcare in the US (7/6/2012 10:00:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Well, I just hope his apologists feel that the 1980 election was worth worth turning their party into the emu to the religious right's Rod Hull...


Hadn't thought of that one in years!




BamaD -> RE: A few points about Healthcare in the US (7/6/2012 10:06:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SilverMark

"I shouldn't have to pay for the shortcomings of others, nor their lack of financial intelligence, proper planning or otherwise." Sorry, you already do!

"If the dollar hadn't been consistently weakened, health care like everything else wouldn't be such an issue. But tracing back the decisions that led us to this point can demonstrate the bad policy from both parties. Nixon took us off the gold standard completely in 1972. Carter allowed AB pension plans to no longer be fully vested. And on and on it has gone...both parties adding bad policy on top of bad policy. "
An extrapolation of the highest order, that in no way is reflective of much more than your distaste for centralized banking. Health care in and of itself is very well tied to supply and demand, we live longer, we require higher maintenance and technology is expensive. In our progression of health care technology, and no regulation of health care insurance costs are where the issues lie. The effect of the dollar on a non-internationalized industry is at most minimal.

:So if I had a better option, I would start with financial policy first. To do that requires reducing the deficit and opting out of some of the bad decisions like Free Trade Agreements that already exist. Manufacturing sorely needs to return to U.S. soil."

Like NAFTA? Which has been proven over and over again to be most beneficial to the US and less so to it's trading partners? Let's ignore the fact that the rest of the world exists, and some of them can produce goods at much lower cost, and tell the American public, You Can't Have Them!"....yep, that is rooted in reality...

Sorry, the clock cannot be turned back, Americans need to progress in the basics of education to prepare better for the future, not try to live in an era that has long since passed.

Great post not only are your points valid but you can see that both parties have contributed to our problem




LafayetteLady -> RE: A few points about Healthcare in the US (7/6/2012 11:32:26 AM)

~Fast Reply~

I didn't bother to read every post, most of it is senseless bickering anyway.

To the OP, now you go to a University Hospital with no co-pay?  Great, good for you.  You also get what is basically known as "treat and street" care.  You would think a teaching hospital would give better care, but it is actually worse, and they use the excuse of how "busy" they are for a reason.

As many here know, I have been dealing with kidney issues for nearly a year (not including the failure last May).  I went to a "University Hospital."  It was an hour from my home, and if something came up when the "clinic" was closed, there was no one available to help you.  Even if I drove, when having a kidney stone attack, driving is a bad idea.  Driving an hour a worse one.  Ambulances won't travel that far, so university hospital was useless. 

Oh let's not forget that when I went to them doubled over in pain, they told me "tough, it will be taken care of when your surgery is scheduled (a month away)."  Now add to that since I have kidney stone disease and this is an ongoing problem, when I have an attack, I can't get to the university hospital.  First, it's too far of a ride to suffer that much pain, so I'm going to my local hospital.  But wait, since they no longer have records of my most recent medical history, they really can't do much, so that's helpful.

I was lucky enough that my old urologist was willing to work out a financial arrangement with me that I can afford to have the issue taken care of.  He isn't charging me a lot, and I know with proper insurance (or a huge bank account) it would cost a lot more, since a second surgery is needed.  But I now have the comfort of a doctor who knows my history, is local, is on staff at a local hospital, doesn't believe in "treat and street," and was willing to do what it takes to get me better.  He is also well respected in his field.

I have medicaid, and went to a medicaid doctor.  He was a drunk (could smell it on him), refused to tell me the test results and really couldn't give a damn about my health care.  So I pay out of pocket to go to my old doctor so I know I get decent care.

For those of you saying that poor people just have a bad luck of the draw?  Go fuck yourselves, and I hope when you get sick, your insurance refuses to cover you.  Without the hassles and the fights I have gone through to get the treatment I have, I probably would have been dead by now from lack of available treatment.

Hospitals ONLY have to treat ER patients, not people being admitted for surgery, so whatever idiot said they treat you without insurance has the brains of an ameoba.

The reason so many poor people remain poor is because as it stands now, everything is done to keep their quality of life at the barest minimum.  I'm not talking computers, flat screen televisions and luxury apartments either.  I'm talking access to decent medical care, and quality food.  Sorry, but you can only eat so much cranberry sauce, peanut butter and tuna fish.  Most poor people live on pasta, and yet so many of your dingbats say their weight and health problems are their own fault.  Pasta is cheap, but not healthy.  When your quality of life sucks and you have to choose to feed your family or get necessary medical care, most feed their family.  This causes depression, and often medicaid tries to deny paying for anti-depressants unless they have been around for 50 years, rather than use the newer, more effective ones.

Balk about the cost of uninsured healthcare patients all you want, but everytime you do, you show how little you actually know about it.




Moonhead -> RE: A few points about Healthcare in the US (7/6/2012 11:42:26 AM)

But of course, the NHS we have here is even worse than the perfect American medical system, and has done more to bankrupt the UK budget than anything else...




jlf1961 -> RE: A few points about Healthcare in the US (7/6/2012 12:49:08 PM)

The doctor I am seeing at Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas is a leading specialist in dealing with kidney cancer. With the exception of the ER at the main building, there is no clinic. That part of the program is at Parkland Hospital.




itsSIRtou -> RE: A few points about Healthcare in the US (7/6/2012 1:47:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
These people who whine that doctors will leave the country in droves are full of it.

Come to that, has Limpdick pissed off to Cuba yet, or was he full of it as well?

I thought he was going to Costa Rica. Yaknow, that place that has socialized medicine.



I thought he was only going for medical care if he got sick. I don't remember him ever suggesting he was going to move.



...u forgot all the years rush bombasted celebs & and Dems who had persrcption drug issues saying that all drug abusers should be shipped off out of the USA....... then begged for the "understanding" of his sheep when he got caught himself with a drug habit....and never took his own "medicine" of doing his show elsewhere... of course,.. his one of many of his GOP induced hypocracies....








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