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Defining The Word Novice - 6/8/2006 8:01:15 AM   
juliaoceania


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Status: offline 		I thought I knew what the word "novice" meant in relation to BDSM, but the more I read about things and especially reading profiles and whatnot, I am finding that I am a little confused by the term now.

I see that some people consider themselves novices if they have never been collared before, some people consider themselves novices if they have only "played" and have not been in a D/s relationship before. Some think that the word means that they haven't been trained in some school of D/s.

I thought it meant that one had never submitted in anyway in real life.

Is it like defining other terms in BDSM in that is a self definition that is fuzzy? What is the definition of "novice" to you?

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RE: Defining The Word Novice - 6/8/2006 8:04:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		As you said, the meaning is going to vary.

If you are into edge play, someone who has had 20 dominants,12 collars but only played with sensual flogging is a novice if what you do is long term objectification, mumification, cutting, blood play, etc.

If you seek a long term fairly intense D/s live in relationship, someone who has been in the scene five years, attended lots of parties, had multiple partners but never a long term live in relationship, they are something of a novice.


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RE: Defining The Word Novice - 6/8/2006 8:07:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would say being a "novice" isn't something you can really generalize. I mean, you can unowned your whole "career",yet expertly trained to serve.. but a novice when it comes to a scene.

I would imagine the ones that list they are "novice" are probably just as confused to what they are, as you are confused trying to decipher what they mean by being a "novice".

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RE: Defining The Word Novice - 6/8/2006 8:09:24 AM   
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  1. A person new to a field or activity; a beginner.

Well... that's all the definition I got initially that wasn't related to religion and vows.  It is pretty open.  I guess technically you are a novice at something if you are not experienced with it.  So that makes me a novice at most things in the BDSM world.
 
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RE: Defining The Word Novice - 6/8/2006 8:12:12 AM   
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Most people in BDSM are novices at some aspect whether they are dom or sub by these definitions. I wonder why we are not all putting it on our profiles...smiles

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RE: Defining The Word Novice - 6/8/2006 8:15:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think people use the word "novice" in reference to themselves frequently because perhaps they haven't fully grasped where they "fit" into the lifestyle.. I'd say it's moreso up to the players and their partners what a 'novice' is

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RE: Defining The Word Novice - 6/8/2006 8:16:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Novice means beginner for me.

Calling someone "a novice" in general terms usually means that they are simply "new to all this stuff that we do here."

And yes, like everything, it's best to clarify what everyone means by the term before they go agreeing or disagreeing on something over it.

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RE: Defining The Word Novice - 6/8/2006 8:18:12 AM   
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Most people in BDSM are novices at some aspect whether they are dom or sub by these definitions. I wonder why we are not all putting it on our profiles...smiles


Yup, you're right....I have yet to meet anyone who knows it all. I guess that is where the interests part of the profile is somewhat helpful. You can choose from beginner to expert, although it's still really relative....someone may see themselves as expert at something because they've been doing it for 6 months and I may think that 6 months of the same activity makes one a novice. I don't think there is a clearly definitive answer.

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RE: Defining The Word Novice - 6/8/2006 8:20:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		novice is defined as someone just beginning to learn about sm.  book sm101


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RE: Defining The Word Novice - 6/8/2006 8:25:32 AM   
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Words - got to adore them.
 
A novice is someone who is inexperienced in a certain field.
From a religious/spiritual/community p.o.v - it usually means a person who has not taken their final commitment - hence the understanding of some people to call themself 'novice' if they have not been collared... some people see it as the 'final phase' in their 'enlightenment'.
 
I am a novice in some areas, and not in others.  Just another label that needs clarifying just exactly what the person means by using it.
 
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RE: Defining The Word Novice - 6/8/2006 5:04:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Novice means beginner for me.

Calling someone "a novice" in general terms usually means that they are simply "new to all this stuff that we do here."

And yes, like everything, it's best to clarify what everyone means by the term before they go agreeing or disagreeing on something over it.


I agree, as I often do, with LA. I personally use the term "newbie" as I am fairly new to all types of BDSM play and D/s. 
 
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RE: Defining The Word Novice - 6/8/2006 5:09:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Novice" means "inexperienced". A person can be experienced in one aspect of something, and still be a novice in others. I am experienced in street-scootering. I am a novice in motorcycle racing. If you ask me if I ride motorbikes, my answer would be yes, but my level of experience varies with different types of biking. BDSM is the same way. You can be experienced in one thing, and a complete novice at something else. I'm experienced in service training, but an utter novice at Shibari.

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RE: Defining The Word Novice - 6/8/2006 7:16:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I thought I knew what the word "novice" meant in relation to BDSM, but the more I read about things and especially reading profiles and whatnot, I am finding that I am a little confused by the term now.

I see that some people consider themselves novices if they have never been collared before, some people consider themselves novices if they have only "played" and have not been in a D/s relationship before. Some think that the word means that they haven't been trained in some school of D/s.

I thought it meant that one had never submitted in anyway in real life.

Is it like defining other terms in BDSM in that is a self definition that is fuzzy? What is the definition of "novice" to you?


Just like everything else in the lifestyle definitions are sometimes a grey area. Some days I'm a chocolate vanilla swirl with carmel sauce and nuts others Straight chocolate with all the goo I can get.

Novice to me is just that, they need to be trained in even the most basic etiquette items, everything has to be explained (usually more than once) they usually have ideas from discussion of what they want to try then end up loving the things that used to be limits.

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RE: Defining The Word Novice - 6/8/2006 7:23:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
I thought I knew what the word "novice" meant in relation to BDSM, but the more I read about things and especially reading profiles and whatnot, I am finding that I am a little confused by the term now.

I see that some people consider themselves novices if they have never been collared before, some people consider themselves novices if they have only "played" and have not been in a D/s relationship before. Some think that the word means that they haven't been trained in some school of D/s.


Julia (my bestest friend)...I see our phone conversation got that brain of yours on fire again.......lol... I admit...I still feel like a "Novice" so to speak..but....I can imagine that everyone's a "novice" if they decide to take a "new" Dom, right? Just my thoughts.


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RE: Defining The Word Novice - 6/8/2006 7:34:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah sweetie, you got me there...lol

and BTW I was born a novice.. this makes me a "natural novice"...LOLOL

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RE: Defining The Word Novice - 6/8/2006 7:51:49 PM   
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What is the definition of "novice" to you?

One who is still learning

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RE: Defining The Word Novice - 6/8/2006 8:02:09 PM   
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Does novice need to reflect lack of experience in the physical activity only?  What if someone has participated in a certain activity numerous times but is unable to make a mental connection or understand a connection between the act and the result, could this make them an experienced novice?

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RE: Defining The Word Novice - 6/8/2006 8:06:35 PM   
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RE: Defining The Word Novice - 6/9/2006 8:21:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Can you think of a specific example?


Sure call me on my overthinking....

I actually had to sleep on it and what i concluded was that i could be an expert driver and not know what the heck took place when i turned the key.

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RE: Defining The Word Novice - 6/9/2006 9:58:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think that novice is not just a lack of experience but also an attitude. I mean, yes you can be experienced in some things and less so in others but I feel that there is an overall feel to a novice that goes past levels of physical experience.

An example of a trait many novice subs share would be topping from the bottom.
So, really, when I think of novice I think of the fundamentals that we all have to learn no matter what our position within the Lifestyle.

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