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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 10:03:26 AM   
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At the state level, where it was popular, and people had more local control

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He was the founder of Romneycare......



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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 10:08:10 AM   
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Code for "No universal health care."

If states had their own plans, that would be one thing. They don't.

Hence, the problem remains. Universal health care it is.

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 10:14:53 AM   
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What we have isnt universal health care, its universal insurance tax mandate penalty, and even though its passed were still trying to find out whats in it

And its highly unpopular, a committee of evil clowns could have done a far better job than the Dems did

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Code for "No universal health care."

If states had their own plans, that would be one thing. They don't.

Hence, the problem remains. Universal health care it is.




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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 10:23:13 AM   
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a committee of evil clowns could have done a far better job


They had their chance. They did nothing.

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 10:30:01 AM   
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Which brings up an interesting point

All this government "help" got us where we are today. And when one government "fix" blows up in our face we throw exponentially more taxpayer money at the problem

Hire a million more bureaucrats, then throw in more money and hire more bureaucrats

And so on. More and more and more and more...

Perhaps "nothing" would be a far better solution?

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a committee of evil clowns could have done a far better job


They had their chance. They did nothing.



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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 10:32:27 AM   
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All this government "help" got us where we are today.


Try again. You'll get it eventually.

We were doing just fine, even started turning surpluses. Then the tax cuts and the wars, all unfunded.

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 11:33:45 AM   
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My contention is that the 2012 election is nothing more than a referendum on Obama and that his opponent really doesn't matter. Yeah, I know that Romney was billed as being the most appealing to independents, but I honestly think that he's pretty much a cipher.

So, how about you?

1. If you plan to vote for Obama, could you have been enticed to vote GOP if another candidate (say, Huntsman or Johnson) had been selected?
2. If you plan to vote against Obama, could another candidate have been awful enough for you to vote for Obama or stay home?

I'll go first. I will vote for Obama, but Huntsman might have given me some real thinking to do.



"I'd really like to see Mitt Romney release more than one year of tax records because there's been disturbing reports recently that he's got a ... secretive Bermuda corporation that no one knows anything about, investment in the Caymans," Wasserman Schultz said. "Americans need to ask themselves: why does an American businessman need a Swiss bank account, and secretive investments like that?"


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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 11:52:17 AM   
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He was the founder of Romneycare......



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Exclusive Powers of the National Government

Under the Constitution, powers reserved to the national government include:

Print money (bills and coins)
Declare war
Establish an army and navy
Enter into treaties with foreign governments
Regulate commerce between states and international trade
Establish post offices and issue postage
Make laws necessary to enforce the Constitution

Exclusive Powers of State Governments

Powers reserved to state governments include:

Establish local governments
Issue licenses (driver, hunting, marriage, etc.)
Regulate intrastate (within the state) commerce
Conduct elections
Ratify amendments to the U.S. Constitution
Provide for public health and safety
Exercise powers neither delegated to the national government or prohibited from the states by the U.S.
Constitution (For example, setting legal drinking and smoking ages.)
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/rightsandfreedoms/a/federalism.htm
1, The constitution gives the state the right to implement a program like Romneycare
2, 68% of the citizens of Mass wanted Romneycare... Can you say the same about Obamacare?

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 11:56:33 AM   
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Besides the wars the Dems voted to engage in, and voted to fund, and continue to vote to fund, that Obama is doubling down on and furthering with his "Arab Winter", and not to mention Barney Frank and Chris Dodd furthering Carters Fannie /Freddie house of cards scheme?

And only a true leftist would posit that taxing the private sector to make the government bloat up even further than it has already has any shot at delivering our salvation

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All this government "help" got us where we are today.


Try again. You'll get it eventually.

We were doing just fine, even started turning surpluses. Then the tax cuts and the wars, all unfunded.







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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 11:59:39 AM   
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"I'd really like to see Mitt Romney release more than one year of tax records because there's been disturbing reports recently that he's got a ... secretive Bermuda corporation that no one knows anything about, investment in the Caymans," Wasserman Schultz said. "Americans need to ask themselves: why does an American businessman need a Swiss bank account, and secretive investments like that?"



Next you'll tell us you believe Jay Carney too

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 12:06:32 PM   
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Your only argument, is to offer up your envy of other peoples' wealth, comrade?

Margaret Thatcher: "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples' money".

Ten Years After: "Tax the rich until there are no rich no more"

Rush: "And the trees were all kept equal with hatchet, axe and saw..."

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"I'd really like to see Mitt Romney release more than one year of tax records because there's been disturbing reports recently that he's got a ... secretive Bermuda corporation that no one knows anything about, investment in the Caymans," Wasserman Schultz said. "Americans need to ask themselves: why does an American businessman need a Swiss bank account, and secretive investments like that?"





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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 12:06:47 PM   
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Before you said he didn't have experience. Now he does.




And when he was elected, I said I hoped he was going to have one hell of a good learning curve. He didn't.

I'm not also a great fan of the effect holding power for the very first time in his life has had on him.

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 12:32:42 PM   
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Steven, in 2000, I could have been persuaded to vote for a good GOP candidate. I even took McCain seriously then.

That's actually a bit unfair. When Sorebutt was campaigning against against the chimp in 2000, he looked a hell of a lot more credible as a candidate than he did when he made his attempt to endear himself to the wingnut neocon element of his party eight years later.

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 1:52:59 PM   
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The Republicans scare me right now. I don't think I'd be able to vote for my all-time favorite congressman, a republican, were he running today. Sadly, Phil English was voted out office in 2008. I won't be able to vote another republican until that party gets their act together and start behaving as if they are working for the betterment of the country.

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 2:07:08 PM   
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Besides the wars the Dems voted to engage in, and voted to fund, and continue to vote to fund, that Obama is doubling down on and furthering with his "Arab Winter", and not to mention Barney Frank and Chris Dodd furthering Carters Fannie /Freddie house of cards scheme?

And only a true leftist would posit that taxing the private sector to make the government bloat up even further than it has already has any shot at delivering our salvation

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All this government "help" got us where we are today.


Try again. You'll get it eventually.

We were doing just fine, even started turning surpluses. Then the tax cuts and the wars, all unfunded.


Only a true partisan would swallow the nonsense that by FURTHER bloating military spending and by FURTHER passing unfunded tax cuts, exactly what got us into this mess, would magically make things better instead of dramatically worse.

You, the base, are being played.

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 2:08:12 PM   
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Steven, in 2000, I could have been persuaded to vote for a good GOP candidate. I even took McCain seriously then.

That's actually a bit unfair. When Sorebutt was campaigning against against the chimp in 2000, he looked a hell of a lot more credible as a candidate than he did when he made his attempt to endear himself to the wingnut neocon element of his party eight years later.

It's not unfair at all. You just said the same thing I did.

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 2:11:53 PM   
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Before you said he didn't have experience. Now he does.




And when he was elected, I said I hoped he was going to have one hell of a good learning curve. He didn't.

I'm not also a great fan of the effect holding power for the very first time in his life has had on him.

I hear ya. I don't think the Republican Party has had much of a learning curve either.

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 2:12:12 PM   
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Fair enough. The "even" thing probably made it look a bit more desperate than you intended.

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 2:40:09 PM   
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Your only argument, is to offer up your envy of other peoples' wealth, comrade?


How can you vote for a candidate who hides his money to avoid his tax obligation to his nation? Romney lacks integrety at the very least and should be investigated for tax avoidance. It has nothing to do with envy of his wealth but everything to do with his lack of character and patriotism. He claims he paid every cent he owes . . . on the money that wasn't secreted away.

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RE: Does it matter that it's Romney? - 7/8/2012 4:08:29 PM   
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You dont have even the slightest evidence or proof that Mitt Romney has violated any tax laws, comrade

But off with his head anyway eh. The rich, filthy swine eh. Line them up, eh.

Viva la revolution eh, comrade?

Is it off to Siberia with everyone who doesnt swallow the party line as well

Off to the killing fields with them, comrade?

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How can you vote for a candidate who hides his money to avoid his tax obligation to his nation? Romney lacks integrety at the very least and should be investigated for tax avoidance. It has nothing to do with envy of his wealth but everything to do with his lack of character and patriotism. He claims he paid every cent he owes . . . on the money that wasn't secreted away.



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