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DarkSteven -> The Sarasota GOP redefines the word "statesman" (7/8/2012 10:32:24 AM)
to indicate a serial bankrupt philanderer. I could make a case for the Bushes, Cheney, maybe Powell or Rice, heck, maybe even Gingrich as people with experience. But Trump has never even been elected to an office.

SilverMark -> RE: The Sarasota GOP redefines the word "statesman" (7/8/2012 10:35:52 AM)
Trump as a Statesman?...Now that is some funny stuff! Had they named him Birther with s Horrible Comb Over....I'd buy it!

SadistDave -> RE: The Sarasota GOP redefines the word "statesman" (7/8/2012 1:43:43 PM)
The Democrats had a former KKK leader in the Senate at one point. Our first not-really-black President even referred to him as a statesman. If hanging black people from trees makes a Democrat a statesman, this is pretty mild by comparison. -SD-

SilverMark -> RE: The Sarasota GOP redefines the word "statesman" (7/8/2012 2:14:42 PM)
Once again Ol' Dave shows his depth of knowledge....another 1/2 inch of knowledge!....Go Dave! "He filibustered against the 1964 Civil Rights Act and supported the Vietnam War, but later backed civil rights measures and criticized the Iraq War. He was briefly a member of the Ku Klux Klan in the 1940s, but later left the group and denounced racial intolerance.[9] In the 40's there were a lot of people that were KKK members, in the 80's however not so many, except for those like David Duke.....

vincentML -> RE: The Sarasota GOP redefines the word "statesman" (7/8/2012 2:52:50 PM)
quote: In the 40's there were a lot of people that were KKK members, in the 80's however not so many, except for those like David Duke..... More than you might think . . . Despite the fact that the three-day conference in neighboring Lamar County was reportedly festooned with confederate flags and banners bearing Ku Klux Klan and white-supremacist slogans, and that it was scheduled to end July 6th with a “Sacred Christian Cross Lighting Ceremony” — not unlike the kind performed by the Klan –organizers denied that his organization was a hate group. “The white race is God’s chosen people,” William C. Collier, the organizer of the event, told WBRC. “We don’t have the facilities to accommodate other people. We haven’t got any invitations to black, Muslim events. Of course we are not invited to Jewish events and stuff.” The Christian Identity Ministries, which is running the event along with the Church of God’s Chosen, also claims on its website that the “Europeans and their descendants are the chosen people of God.” Ministry founder Mel Lewis spoke with a reporter from WAFF TV and claimed that the town’s mayor was violating their right to free speech and religious freedom. http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/07/06/whites-only-pastor-conference-has-west-alabama-residents-upset/?iid=nf-article-latest

joether -> RE: The Sarasota GOP redefines the word "statesman" (7/9/2012 12:25:15 AM)
Trump is a Statesman? Thats like saying Sarah Palin is a Medical Doctor. Or that Karl Rove is an honorable man. Or that George W. Bush was a serious critical thinker. Yes, the notion is just silly, absurd, and laughable. But it also shows the standards Sarasota, Florida, Republican Party. Which is to say they have none.

ClassIsInSession -> RE: The Sarasota GOP redefines the word "statesman" (7/9/2012 12:41:45 AM)
You know Trump used to be a Democrat right?

ClassIsInSession -> RE: The Sarasota GOP redefines the word "statesman" (7/9/2012 12:43:09 AM)
Just to squelch the backlash: http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-02-15/gossip/28616097_1_president-trump-party-affiliation-reform-party-candidate

atursvcMaam -> RE: The Sarasota GOP redefines the word "statesman" (7/9/2012 12:43:50 AM)
While not necessarily the most charming, Trump has hobnobbed with captains of industry, as well as heads of state, and has provided an impressive level of employment in the US. I don't know that I would be comfortable with him as president, but he has a history of building his way out of ruin.

SadistDave -> RE: The Sarasota GOP redefines the word "statesman" (7/9/2012 12:49:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ClassIsInSession You know Trump used to be a Democrat right? “If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.” Winston Churchill -SD-

tweakabelle -> RE: The Sarasota GOP redefines the word "statesman" (7/9/2012 1:01:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: atursvcMaam While not necessarily the most charming, Trump has hobnobbed with captains of industry, as well as heads of state, and has provided an impressive level of employment in the US. I don't know that I would be comfortable with him as president, but he has a history of building his way out of ruin. Of course it's best to remember that before you can extricate yourself (or your Nation) from ruin, you have to take yourself (or your Nation) to the brink of ruin first. I'm not sure that is what most Americans would like for their country. Personally I'd be just as concerned about some of the company The Mop keeps: "Rep. Vern Buchanan, who is the subject of four federal and Congressional investigations into his business practices, has donated at least $15,000 in conjunction with the event, according to the August invitation. Buchanan is the head of fundraising for the National Republican Congressional Committee, which works to elect Republicans to Congress." (from the OP) Not the kind of company some one who aspires to the White House ought to be keeping ........

joether -> RE: The Sarasota GOP redefines the word "statesman" (7/9/2012 1:05:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ClassIsInSession You know Trump used to be a Democrat right? And the Koch brothers once didnt mix business with politics in an attempt to undermine the very fabric of the United States of America? Yes, Mr. Trump had credibility back during his 'Apprentice' show (or at least, at the height of his credibility). Ever since he joined up with the birther movement, his credibily fell faster than Facebook's IPO in the first 24 hours after it opened on the trading floor. Mr. Trump may have given to causes, but that does not make him a statesmen. A statesman is one that does great amount of good for the public as a whole, not for a tiny segment of it. Which is why one could make the arguement that former President George W. Bush was not a statesman when compared to John F. Kennedy. Another example would be Sen. John McCain. I once held quite a bit of respect for the man. I didnt agree with many of his viewpoints, but neverless still held him as a good statesman. I figured him and the now deseased Sen. Ted Kennedy would have made a landmark reform bill on the immigration problem back in 2007. The bill was sponsered by two honorable and elder statesmen at the time. It was a bridging of parties when such a thing was being eroded quickly, to tackle a real problem in America in a manner that shouted 'old school politics'. What I dislike of Mr. McCain is that in his run for the president's spot, he kept listening more and more to the neo-conservative philosophy and less of his own. His final speech (once it was known that Mr. Obama would be the next president) was one that I said "Where the hell has this version of Mr. McCain been for the last few months?!?!?!?!". Would I have voted for him? No. Not because of him, but because of the sorry choice of a Vice President. I believe we should hold to it, that a statesman is one that tries to do the most good for the grand whole of the people, without undermining the US Constitution nor silencing the minority (whoever they be at the time). Mr. Trump is not a statesman and I hold to my previous post.

ClassIsInSession -> RE: The Sarasota GOP redefines the word "statesman" (7/9/2012 1:09:48 AM)
LOL, so you're saying he was credible when he was a Democrat? ROFLMAO...now that is hilarious. I never liked Trump, nor have I ever liked the Neo-Conservatives that took over the Republican party. But then I really don't like most people in general. I also note you liked Sen. John McCain who has been always a flip flopping air bag. No one in the Republican party ever liked the guy till he suddenly became a presidential candidate. He almost jumped ship on the party multiple times. I don't care much for anyone who isn't consistent. Regardless of party affiliation.

SilverMark -> RE: The Sarasota GOP redefines the word "statesman" (7/9/2012 2:33:15 AM)
I see no mention of Trump EVER being a Democrat, aside from yours. In a political sense, aside from the far right birthers, I am not convinced he had any sort of political credibility. After his corporation bankruptcy, he even lost much of his business credibility. I know he has given money to the Democrats in the past, but that was in areas where he had large investments. Nevada, Chicago and New York....hedging his bets, knowing in the Chicago Mayoral race a Republican isn't going to win, in New York state races, pretty much the same, in Nevada, he actually gave to Harry Reid! You'd think the Donald would give to anyone but Harry Reid! I think he is more opportunist than anything else.

ClassIsInSession -> RE: The Sarasota GOP redefines the word "statesman" (7/9/2012 2:49:24 AM)
I posted a link to it in the news but apparently the mods pulled it down. It's verifiable. He was in fact a Democrat at one time.

SilverMark -> RE: The Sarasota GOP redefines the word "statesman" (7/9/2012 2:51:57 AM)
Thanks for the link, re-enforces the Opportunist label a bit more. http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-02-15/gossip/28616097_1_president-trump-party-affiliation-reform-party-candidate

ClassIsInSession -> RE: The Sarasota GOP redefines the word "statesman" (7/9/2012 2:53:11 AM)
I wouldn't disagree with that assessment at all. But as you see, he was in fact a Democrat. I wasn't lying.

SilverMark -> RE: The Sarasota GOP redefines the word "statesman" (7/9/2012 2:56:43 AM)
No, I wouldn't use that term anyway, I try hard to be respectful unless of course I am shown disrespect, and even then, I'd be reticent.

Lucylastic -> RE: The Sarasota GOP redefines the word "statesman" (7/9/2012 3:00:37 AM)
the link is there, the mods dont tend to edit without a reason, from your link in post 8 states..... In 1987, Trump enrolled as a Republican with the Board of Elections. In October 1999, however, he switched his affiliation to the Independence Party because he was considering a run for President as a Reform Party candidate in 2000.(That party grew out of Ross Perot's losing 1992 bid for the Oval Office.) Trump never actually threw his hat in the ring back then - in part, we hear, because he realized he could never win running as a minor-party candidate. Less than two years later, he filed another party enrollment change: In August 2001, just weeks before the 9/11 attacks, Trump, who's known for his conservatism in all things but marriage, made the unlikely switch to Democrat. Some have speculated that Trump veered to the left because he'd grown disenchanted with George W. Bush. Monday, "The Apprentice" host told us that though he was "never a fan of Bush," he enrolled as a Democrat because "I have many, many friends who are Democrats and most of the politicians I know are Democrats." A few years ago, however, Trump says he went through a bit of soul searching over his political affiliation. "I wanted to decide which party best suited my philosophy," he told us. According to Elections Board filings, on Sept. 15, 2009, Trump decided again that he was a Republican. The real-estate mogul denied, however, that he changed his affiliation in anticipation of testing the presidential waters once more. Basically, he votes to whatever is going to profit him the most... money or power and both. Hes also an independent /republican and conservative in everything but marriage. Nowhere does he align with the PEOPLE of the country who are liberal or democrat Try again.

atursvcMaam -> RE: The Sarasota GOP redefines the word "statesman" (7/9/2012 6:07:08 AM)
Why do you want to choose known associates as a problem. President Obama carries quite a heap of baggage in this area or right wing radio would have lost half their content over the last 3 years. Not that I listen, I just look at the pictures.

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