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RemoteUser -> RE: when did word start changing meaning (7/10/2012 10:28:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Everytime I read this thread it reminds of a an episode of Oprah entitled "Black men on the down low", about "heterosexual" black men who are married or dating women but he sneaks around to have sex with other men but yet still denies being bi or gay.



I remember that, sadly, for Oprah was one of my more popular antiChrists. Oh well. If they don't cum there's no proof they liked it. Maybe they were just...sharing!!



needlesandpins -> RE: when did word start changing meaning (7/10/2012 2:53:10 PM)

straight means exactly that, that you are not attracted to the oposite sex in an emotional way, but can be in a sexual way.

bi mean that you are attracted to both sex sexually and emotionally. meaning you could be equally happy in a relationship with either/both sexes.

gay means just that, you are attracted to your own sex only as far as emotionally is concerned. this doesn't mean that a gay guy won't have sex with a woman, or a lesbian with a man in the same sence of a straight person doing the same thing in reverse.

simple really.

i'm straight, but i wouldn't be adverce to a woman touching me in any way if she wanted to. i have kissed a couple of my friends. however, i do not fancy women, have never sought contact with a woman, and most certainly don't want a 'relationship' with one.

i have gay female and male friends who feel the same about the oposite sex.

needles



TNDommeK -> RE: when did word start changing meaning (7/10/2012 3:54:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Everytime I read this thread it reminds of a an episode of Oprah entitled "Black men on the down low", about "heterosexual" black men who are married or dating women but he sneaks around to have sex with other men but yet still denies being bi or gay.



I never understood that. If you are a man, and you have sex with another man, you're gay. Doesn't mean you'll have pink glitter combat boots and a whistle, but you are gay. I'm sure there are levels to it, some may not be as open or out of the closet as others, but it is what it is.


OOoooh now I want pink glitter combat boots.



sexyred1 -> RE: when did word start changing meaning (7/10/2012 5:01:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK


quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Everytime I read this thread it reminds of a an episode of Oprah entitled "Black men on the down low", about "heterosexual" black men who are married or dating women but he sneaks around to have sex with other men but yet still denies being bi or gay.



I never understood that. If you are a man, and you have sex with another man, you're gay. Doesn't mean you'll have pink glitter combat boots and a whistle, but you are gay. I'm sure there are levels to it, some may not be as open or out of the closet as others, but it is what it is.


OOoooh now I want pink glitter combat boots.


Me too! Best of both worlds if you are not wearing heels.:)



MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: when did word start changing meaning (7/10/2012 6:18:46 PM)

Pink glitter combat boots. I think I could pull that off!

After further thought, probably not.



LanceHughes -> RE: when did word start changing meaning (7/10/2012 6:21:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MalcolmNathaniel

Pink glitter combat boots. I think I could pull that off!

After further thought, probably not.

BUT, I saw some pictures! I'll have to look for them, but I'm sure a hoot-anna-holler is just a click away.



MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: when did word start changing meaning (7/10/2012 6:52:59 PM)

And I looked fantastic!



LanceHughes -> RE:When did the word "straight" start changing meaning? (7/10/2012 7:21:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MalcolmNathaniel

And I looked fantastic!

And that brings us back to the title of this thread, namely:

When did [the] word "fantastic" start changing meaning? LOL!



MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: RE:When did the word "straight" start changing meaning? (7/10/2012 7:35:08 PM)

ADJECTIVE:

Quaint or strange in form, conception, or appearance.
Unrestrainedly fanciful; extravagant: fantastic hopes.
Bizarre, as in form or appearance; strange: fantastic attire; fantastic behavior.
Based on or existing only in fantasy; unreal: fantastic ideas about her own superiority.
Wonderful or superb; remarkable: a fantastic trip to Europe.

NOUN:

An eccentric person.

Take your pick.



angelikaJ -> RE: when did word start changing meaning (7/10/2012 7:38:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK


quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Everytime I read this thread it reminds of a an episode of Oprah entitled "Black men on the down low", about "heterosexual" black men who are married or dating women but he sneaks around to have sex with other men but yet still denies being bi or gay.



I never understood that. If you are a man, and you have sex with another man, you're gay. Doesn't mean you'll have pink glitter combat boots and a whistle, but you are gay. I'm sure there are levels to it, some may not be as open or out of the closet as others, but it is what it is.



If you are also having sex with women, it means you are bisexual.

If you are a submissive man who only has sex with men at your Domme's behest, I don't think that makes you gay either.



kalikshama -> RE: when did word start changing meaning (7/10/2012 7:43:48 PM)

Here ya go:

[image]http://www.militaryboots.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/pink-military-boots-2.jpg[/image]



kalikshama -> RE: when did word start changing meaning (7/10/2012 7:47:59 PM)

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Can anyone tell me when the word straight changed???You see these guys profile that say they are STRAIGHT and then they post a picture of themself with someone banging them in the butt


If that someone was a man, "straight" was a typo. They meant Str8:

An abbreviation for "straight" most commonly used by a bisexual male or a homosexual male who is in denial of his sexuality. Used in reference to himself to distance most often in the phrase "str8 actin" to distance his impending oral or anal homosexual activity from that of flagrantly gay males. Truly bisexual males who are not attracted to flaming gay guys seek refuge in "str8" boys for an easy cheap fuck, likely in a bathroom, car, in the woods or some stinky ass dirty bedroom, but not for a meaningful relationship.

If that someone was a woman, you do need to read this thread mentioned before: http://www.collarchat.com/m_4144304/tm.htm



needlesandpins -> RE: when did word start changing meaning (7/11/2012 7:50:01 AM)

can people please get a grip and realise that who you have sex with has nothing to do with whether you are straight or bi sexual. guys fuck, or get fucked by guys all the time, it does not mean they are closit gays, or bi sexuals. that is a really single minded thing to say whether applied to a woman or a guy.

it's as bad as saying you are in love with everyone you have sex with. i seriously don't get why on earth anyone would consider someone gay or bi just because they fuck the same sex.

sex is just that, sex. it has nothing to do with whom you physically fancy and want a relationship with. my ex is straight, but would have sex with a guy. however, he doesn't fancy guys, he doesn't want to kiss them, and he doesn't want to get emotional, or intimate with them. therefore he is not bisexual. the term heteroflexible is probaly closer to it if a lable must be applied. the gay guys i know who dabble with ladies occassionally would disagree hugely to be called bi as they neither fancy, or want a relationship with a woman. just as a truely bi friend of mine would not be please for anyone to call her a lesbian when she is just as likely to have a realtionship with a guy.

quite frankly i think it's narrow minded, and arrogant to insist you know someone better than they know themselves. accept the 'lables' people choose to apply to themselves until they decide to change it.

needles



searching4mysir -> RE: when did word start changing meaning (7/11/2012 7:55:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

can people please get a grip and realise that who you have sex with has nothing to do with whether you are straight or bi sexual. guys fuck, or get fucked by guys all the time, it does not mean they are closit gays, or bi sexuals. that is a really single minded thing to say whether applied to a woman or a guy.



Seriously? Labels mean something. I don't fuck guys who fuck other guys. It is that simple. If the term "heterosexual" or "straight" doesn't mean that when it comes to men, then the label is useless and I might as well be celibate.



RemoteUser -> RE: when did word start changing meaning (7/11/2012 8:01:08 AM)

Sexual orientation isn't qualified by emotions. Why do you think it is?

Sexual orientation is about what you do to get off. The gender(s) you do it with apply a label for the sake of classification, and mean nothing more than that.

Romance, love, invested relationships, these are independent of sex and sexuality; they might require sex to succeed but they don't need sex to instigate.



needlesandpins -> RE: when did word start changing meaning (7/11/2012 8:25:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: searching4mysir

quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

can people please get a grip and realise that who you have sex with has nothing to do with whether you are straight or bi sexual. guys fuck, or get fucked by guys all the time, it does not mean they are closit gays, or bi sexuals. that is a really single minded thing to say whether applied to a woman or a guy.



Seriously? Labels mean something. I don't fuck guys who fuck other guys. It is that simple. If the term "heterosexual" or "straight" doesn't mean that when it comes to men, then the label is useless and I might as well be celibate.


what i'm saying is that people can not dictate what other people are to themselves. i am straight, but i'm not going to have a bitch fit if another woman touches me. if i touch another woman i'm suddenly bi? no i'm not, i'm straight....just not narrow mined enough to think that everything has to change just because i was touched by another woman in a sexual way. my ex is not bi just because he would fuck with another guy. it's really very simple. he's straight because he gets nothing out of guys other than a brief pleasure. no-one is gay just because they fuck the same sex.

as for not having sex with guys who have sex with other guys that's your choice, but you don't get to dictate what lable should then be attached to them. dishonesty about who people have sex with is a different matter all together.

RemoteUser, i never said it was all about emotion. i said it is about more than who you fuck. i know a lady who my ex met on a meet. she lables herself as lesbian, and is married to another lady. in her words 'my sexuality has nothing to do with who i fuck. my sexuality is to do with who i want to be with. i do not want to ever be with a man, therefore i am a lesbian who plays with guys sometimes.' her partner has nothing to do with guys at all.

as i said, i am straight even though in mixed play i wouldn't have a problem touching, or being touched by another woman. i'm a huge flirt, and will flirt with other women too. however, i'm not going to be impressed by some know-it-all calling me bi when i know i'm not. i don't think that other people will be happy being called gay just because they occassionally have sex with the same sex. there is alot more to sexual orientation than who you fuck.

needles





RemoteUser -> RE: when did word start changing meaning (7/11/2012 8:31:50 AM)

This is still splitting hairs, really.

Your friend can call herself a white unicorn, but the properly accepted definitions of basic sexuality call her bisexual for actively choosing to participate in sexual intercourse with members of both genders.

The definitions are what they are, and shaking a finger doesn't change how it was originally defined by Krafft-Ebing. YOU have the right to choose what labels you accept, but really? NO ONE can control the labels imposed upon them by others.

In this case, society can and will call your friend bisexual, not lesbian nor homosexual. She doesn't have to accept or like it, but there it is.



needlesandpins -> RE: when did word start changing meaning (7/11/2012 8:55:55 AM)

this is where your arguement falls to pieces. the fact is that others can attach whatever lable they like to others for sure, but that doesn't mean that the lable is right. my friend is not bi as she will never have a relationship with a man. one of my best friends is not a lesbian just because she has a girlfriend as she is just as likely to have a relationship with a man too....or both at the same time.

people are what THEY choose to be, not what some narrow mined person puts on them. lets face it, gay has been adopted by homosexuals as ownership to take away the power from people who used the lable as an insult. sexuality and sex are two different things.

what you have said does not make it right for people to go against what someone else puts forward.

if someone says they are straight, then they are, not matter who they fuck. you labling them any other way does not make you or the lable right. simple.

needles



RemoteUser -> RE: when did word start changing meaning (7/11/2012 9:06:59 AM)

Respectfully, I have to disagree, in the sense that you're saying only self-definition counts.

For the purposes of labeling, there will always be two sides: the one making the label and the one to whom it is applied. That is in fact the point of labels: for classification.

I can acknowledge an individual's view and the labels themselves as meted out by society (or any other large, unwieldy organization). I'm not trying to say society is right or the one twue way. I'm saying they exist and you can't make that just disappear by choice.

The argument for me is about the perception (and if I'm wrong, tell me) that you feel society's definition of sexuality is invalid. That's like saying a solid object is really a liquid because it melts. Sure it does, but while in its solid state, it's still a solid. It's a label accepted by the majority. The individual can choose to believe otherwise, but if they bite that ice cube, it's gonna crunch.



Delilya -> RE: when did word start changing meaning (7/11/2012 10:06:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

now I gotta remember where that DVD is...LOL



Oooo, me too.



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