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DesideriScuri -> The White House is Driving Technological Advancements (7/10/2012 11:08:18 AM)
quote: “I don’t think the car manufacturers would be manufacturing the cars they are manufacturing today as hybrids, if it weren’t for what the president did in signing the executive order and what Lisa [EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson] and I [Secretary of Transportion, Ray LaHood] have done over the last three and half years about developing C.A.F.E. (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) standards for automobiles and light trucks that will get 54.4 miles per gallon by 2025.” “I think we jump started the ability,” said LaHood. “When you see now a Lexus hybrid, no one would have ever predicted that 2 years ago. Every car manufacturer is getting into hybrid. I think we jump started those opportunities.” Sec. LaHood was with Ms. Jackson at the Aspen Ideas Festival on July 3rd. It's a wonderful thing President Obama did with a quick flick of his pen, right? Well as long as you can overlook the slight modification of the truth. The Lexus RX 400h rolled out onto showroom floors at the end of 2005. It's amazing how Barack Obama helped stimulate technology before he was even elected into Federal office. He wasn't even a Senator when these things started rolling out. Now, that's sway!

OttersSwim -> RE: The White House is Driving Technological Advancements (7/10/2012 11:15:19 AM)
Listen buddy, just because -your- candidate can't travel back in time...

Sanity -> RE: The White House is Driving Technological Advancements (7/10/2012 11:47:42 AM)
[:D] The fucking jackasses in this administration couldn't find their asses using both hands That's because they've got their heads so far up their assholes they can't reach back that far

joether -> RE: The White House is Driving Technological Advancements (7/10/2012 12:30:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: “I don’t think the car manufacturers would be manufacturing the cars they are manufacturing today as hybrids, if it weren’t for what the president did in signing the executive order and what Lisa [EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson] and I [Secretary of Transportion, Ray LaHood] have done over the last three and half years about developing C.A.F.E. (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) standards for automobiles and light trucks that will get 54.4 miles per gallon by 2025.” “I think we jump started the ability,” said LaHood. “When you see now a Lexus hybrid, no one would have ever predicted that 2 years ago. Every car manufacturer is getting into hybrid. I think we jump started those opportunities.” Sec. LaHood was with Ms. Jackson at the Aspen Ideas Festival on July 3rd. It's a wonderful thing President Obama did with a quick flick of his pen, right? Well as long as you can overlook the slight modification of the truth. The Lexus RX 400h rolled out onto showroom floors at the end of 2005. It's amazing how Barack Obama helped stimulate technology before he was even elected into Federal office. He wasn't even a Senator when these things started rolling out. Now, that's sway! Your are intelligent enough (I hope) to realize that President Obama did NOT say this directly or indirectly, right? In recent US History there was a US President that stated 'Mission Accomplished' with regards to the Iraq War six years before it really ended. Notice the difference? Yes, people in elected office do some pretty wacky stuff from time to time. But I dont see you making a single post by a GOP moron that spews mindless trash and asserts that its "the facts", do I? Even though there are plenty of GOP morons that spew mindless trash they call 'facts' many times every day. Why have you not started threads for each one of those? Bashing the person, and laying 100% of the blame at Mr. Romney's feet (whether he had anything to do with it or not)? Cus your bias! You dont see me starting threads everytime some GOP moron states something stupid, do you? Ever tried public speaking as an elected (and accountible) offical? Sometimes you can think on what your going to say before hand (checking your facts and all); other times its on the 'spur of the moment'. But even the best intentions and attention to detail is not 100% perfect, and something is missed. The question is: How much did it matter that the fact(s) was/were left out?

DomKen -> RE: The White House is Driving Technological Advancements (7/10/2012 1:43:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: “I don’t think the car manufacturers would be manufacturing the cars they are manufacturing today as hybrids, if it weren’t for what the president did in signing the executive order and what Lisa [EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson] and I [Secretary of Transportion, Ray LaHood] have done over the last three and half years about developing C.A.F.E. (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) standards for automobiles and light trucks that will get 54.4 miles per gallon by 2025.” “I think we jump started the ability,” said LaHood. “When you see now a Lexus hybrid, no one would have ever predicted that 2 years ago. Every car manufacturer is getting into hybrid. I think we jump started those opportunities.” Sec. LaHood was with Ms. Jackson at the Aspen Ideas Festival on July 3rd. It's a wonderful thing President Obama did with a quick flick of his pen, right? Well as long as you can overlook the slight modification of the truth. The Lexus RX 400h rolled out onto showroom floors at the end of 2005. It's amazing how Barack Obama helped stimulate technology before he was even elected into Federal office. He wasn't even a Senator when these things started rolling out. Now, that's sway! So your whine is that LaHood identified a car that came out beore he thought it did? What can you expect but lies from republicans like LaHood?

Slavehandsome -> RE: The White House is Driving Technological Advancements (7/10/2012 1:52:27 PM)
Quite the contrary, it is the priority of any White House administration to slow technological advances so that corporations are allowed to maximize profitability.

thishereboi -> RE: The White House is Driving Technological Advancements (7/10/2012 3:16:37 PM)
quote: Your are intelligent enough (I hope) to realize that President Obama did NOT say this directly or indirectly, right? You are intelligent enough (I hope) to read the op and see who those quotes were attributed to, right? quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: “I don’t think the car manufacturers would be manufacturing the cars they are manufacturing today as hybrids, if it weren’t for what the president did in signing the executive order and what Lisa [EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson] and I [Secretary of Transportion, Ray LaHood] have done over the last three and half years about developing C.A.F.E. (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) standards for automobiles and light trucks that will get 54.4 miles per gallon by 2025.” “I think we jump started the ability,” said LaHood. “When you see now a Lexus hybrid, no one would have ever predicted that 2 years ago. Every car manufacturer is getting into hybrid. I think we jump started those opportunities.” Sec. LaHood was with Ms. Jackson at the Aspen Ideas Festival on July 3rd. It's a wonderful thing President Obama did with a quick flick of his pen, right? Well as long as you can overlook the slight modification of the truth. The Lexus RX 400h rolled out onto showroom floors at the end of 2005. It's amazing how Barack Obama helped stimulate technology before he was even elected into Federal office. He wasn't even a Senator when these things started rolling out. Now, that's sway! Now he did make some cracks at the end snarking how wonderful this was, but no where did he say he was quoting the president.

DesideriScuri -> RE: The White House is Driving Technological Advancements (7/10/2012 6:13:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: “I don’t think the car manufacturers would be manufacturing the cars they are manufacturing today as hybrids, if it weren’t for what the president did in signing the executive order and what Lisa [EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson] and I [Secretary of Transportion, Ray LaHood] have done over the last three and half years about developing C.A.F.E. (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) standards for automobiles and light trucks that will get 54.4 miles per gallon by 2025.” “I think we jump started the ability,” said LaHood. “When you see now a Lexus hybrid, no one would have ever predicted that 2 years ago. Every car manufacturer is getting into hybrid. I think we jump started those opportunities.” Sec. LaHood was with Ms. Jackson at the Aspen Ideas Festival on July 3rd. It's a wonderful thing President Obama did with a quick flick of his pen, right? Well as long as you can overlook the slight modification of the truth. The Lexus RX 400h rolled out onto showroom floors at the end of 2005. It's amazing how Barack Obama helped stimulate technology before he was even elected into Federal office. He wasn't even a Senator when these things started rolling out. Now, that's sway! Your are intelligent enough (I hope) to realize that President Obama did NOT say this directly or indirectly, right? In recent US History there was a US President that stated 'Mission Accomplished' with regards to the Iraq War six years before it really ended. Notice the difference? I hope you are intelligent enough to read what I wrote and see that I never said Obama said any of that. As a matter of fact, I accurately quoted Ray LaHood as saying it. quote: Yes, people in elected office do some pretty wacky stuff from time to time. But I dont see you making a single post by a GOP moron that spews mindless trash and asserts that its "the facts", do I? Even though there are plenty of GOP morons that spew mindless trash they call 'facts' many times every day. Why have you not started threads for each one of those? Bashing the person, and laying 100% of the blame at Mr. Romney's feet (whether he had anything to do with it or not)? Again, I never claimed Obama said any of those things. But, Ray LaHood was giving Obama credit, wasn't he? quote: Cus your bias! You dont see me starting threads everytime some GOP moron states something stupid, do you? Ever tried public speaking as an elected (and accountible) offical? Sometimes you can think on what your going to say before hand (checking your facts and all); other times its on the 'spur of the moment'. But even the best intentions and attention to detail is not 100% perfect, and something is missed. The question is: How much did it matter that the fact(s) was/were left out? How much did it matter?!?!?!? This guy was talking to a crowd and pumping up his candidate (which I have no problem with in general). But, when he isn't being honest and truthful in the way he's pumping up his candidate, well, that's a problem. "The best intentions?" Really? This was a campaign stop. Gimme a break. When someone on the right makes a stupid gaffe like this, post it. I'll probably join you in laughing at the poor sod. Do you remember way, way back when the Texas R Party was being blasted over their stupidly worded platform (being against critical thinking skills being taught in school)? I said I didn't think that was truly the intention. But, I started out by saying that the people who wrote the platform obviously didn't use critical thinking skills. And, I even questioned the real reason the communications director wasn't telling when he said they "couldn't" change the platform since the wording had been voted on and ratified. If you get your head out of your ideological ass, you'd see that I'm not as partisan as you obviously think.

DesideriScuri -> RE: The White House is Driving Technological Advancements (7/10/2012 6:17:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen So your whine is that LaHood identified a car that came out beore he thought it did? What can you expect but lies from republicans like LaHood? Yeah, because he's a Republican. LMAO! You really need to get out more. So, a "Republican liar" was tapped by Obama to be Transportation Secretary. Does this mean you think Obama is an idiot over naming LaHood to his cabinet?

Sanity -> RE: The White House is Driving Technological Advancements (7/10/2012 9:12:28 PM)
According to tazzy, a president is directly responsible for everything his subordinates do. http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4164351 quote: ORIGINAL: joether Your are intelligent enough (I hope) to realize that President Obama did NOT say this directly or indirectly, right? In recent US History there was a US President that stated 'Mission Accomplished' with regards to the Iraq War six years before it really ended. Notice the difference? Yes, people in elected office do some pretty wacky stuff from time to time. But I dont see you making a single post by a GOP moron that spews mindless trash and asserts that its "the facts", do I? Even though there are plenty of GOP morons that spew mindless trash they call 'facts' many times every day. Why have you not started threads for each one of those? Bashing the person, and laying 100% of the blame at Mr. Romney's feet (whether he had anything to do with it or not)? Cus your bias! You dont see me starting threads everytime some GOP moron states something stupid, do you? Ever tried public speaking as an elected (and accountible) offical? Sometimes you can think on what your going to say before hand (checking your facts and all); other times its on the 'spur of the moment'. But even the best intentions and attention to detail is not 100% perfect, and something is missed. The question is: How much did it matter that the fact(s) was/were left out?

DomKen -> RE: The White House is Driving Technological Advancements (7/11/2012 3:02:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen So your whine is that LaHood identified a car that came out beore he thought it did? What can you expect but lies from republicans like LaHood? Yeah, because he's a Republican. LMAO! You really need to get out more. So, a "Republican liar" was tapped by Obama to be Transportation Secretary. Does this mean you think Obama is an idiot over naming LaHood to his cabinet? Just having a little fun pointing out the mistake you'd made when you asumed the Secretary was a liberal Democrat.

joether -> RE: The White House is Driving Technological Advancements (7/11/2012 3:32:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri I hope you are intelligent enough to read what I wrote and see that I never said Obama said any of that. As a matter of fact, I accurately quoted Ray LaHood as saying it. Your implying that it comes directly from the President. Which there is no evidence of. Your title itself more or less implies President Obama directed the information himself. Since the 'President' (regardless of who he/she is) is often associated with 'The White House'. quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Again, I never claimed Obama said any of those things. But, Ray LaHood was giving Obama credit, wasn't he? That may have been the intention. However, that is not how the history developed. As was pointed out that a hybrid vehicle was produced some years before hand. So did Mr. LaHood really give President Obama credit? You understand what I'm getting at, right? quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri How much did it matter?!?!?!? This guy was talking to a crowd and pumping up his candidate (which I have no problem with in general). But, when he isn't being honest and truthful in the way he's pumping up his candidate, well, that's a problem. "The best intentions?" Really? This was a campaign stop. Gimme a break. EVERYBODY, wants to "...pump up [their] candiate...". He had best intentions, but facts and evidence really didnt favor his speech. For example, George W. Bush had good intentions on 9/11 when he was sitting before the children reading the book. Those 11 minutes between when he was first told and the second time, was time wasted (according to some people). His reaction was (everyone has an opinion on this) he did not wish to alarm the children to the situation at the time, and tried to find a stopping point. To show respect to the children as the children where showing to him. As the saying goes, DS: "The Road to Hell is paved in good intentions" (Capt John Sheridan in Babylon 5 replied "Why does it have to go straight through my office!?!?!"). quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri If you get your head out of your ideological ass, you'd see that I'm not as partisan as you obviously think. You have been more than partisan in the past. I could bring up the examples, but it would be off topic. Again, why make a post like this, when there have been many such instances in which some moron on the conservative side said stuff to pump up a Republican running for the White House within the last year? Its a fair question, in light of the facts on the table. This thread, at its most basic level, is simply a petty slam towards Sec. LaHood. So someone made a mistake in the White House. Are you expecting every Democrat to be perfect 100% all of the time? If not, why bring the thread up in the first place? It was ideologically motived. That truly is the bottom line.

thishereboi -> RE: The White House is Driving Technological Advancements (7/11/2012 3:47:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri I hope you are intelligent enough to read what I wrote and see that I never said Obama said any of that. As a matter of fact, I accurately quoted Ray LaHood as saying it. Your implying that it comes directly from the President. Which there is no evidence of. Your title itself more or less implies President Obama directed the information himself. Since the 'President' (regardless of who he/she is) is often associated with 'The White House'. He put the quotes along with the name of the person he was quoting. How is that implying that it came from the president? quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Again, I never claimed Obama said any of those things. But, Ray LaHood was giving Obama credit, wasn't he? That may have been the intention. However, that is not how the history developed. As was pointed out that a hybrid vehicle was produced some years before hand. So did Mr. LaHood really give President Obama credit? You understand what I'm getting at, right? He tried to give him credit and I am sure there are probibly some idiots out there who believed him. Maybe next time he should try a lie that isn't so easy to confirm. quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri How much did it matter?!?!?!? This guy was talking to a crowd and pumping up his candidate (which I have no problem with in general). But, when he isn't being honest and truthful in the way he's pumping up his candidate, well, that's a problem. "The best intentions?" Really? This was a campaign stop. Gimme a break. EVERYBODY, wants to "...pump up [their] candiate...". He had best intentions, but facts and evidence really didnt favor his speech. For example, George W. Bush had good intentions on 9/11 when he was sitting before the children reading the book. Those 11 minutes between when he was first told and the second time, was time wasted (according to some people). His reaction was (everyone has an opinion on this) he did not wish to alarm the children to the situation at the time, and tried to find a stopping point. To show respect to the children as the children where showing to him. As the saying goes, DS: "The Road to Hell is paved in good intentions" (Capt John Sheridan in Babylon 5 replied "Why does it have to go straight through my office!?!?!"). What does Bush have to do with this? I guess you are so used to pulling him into any topic that you just can't help yourself. quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri If you get your head out of your ideological ass, you'd see that I'm not as partisan as you obviously think. You have been more than partisan in the past. I could bring up the examples, but it would be off topic. Again, why make a post like this, when there have been many such instances in which some moron on the conservative side said stuff to pump up a Republican running for the White House within the last year? Its a fair question, in light of the facts on the table. This thread, at its most basic level, is simply a petty slam towards Sec. LaHood. So someone made a mistake in the White House. Are you expecting every Democrat to be perfect 100% all of the time? If not, why bring the thread up in the first place? You calling someone else partisan. Now that is fucking funny. Pot meet kettle and all that. It was ideologically motived. That truly is the bottom line.

DesideriScuri -> RE: The White House is Driving Technological Advancements (7/11/2012 4:18:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen So your whine is that LaHood identified a car that came out beore he thought it did? What can you expect but lies from republicans like LaHood? Yeah, because he's a Republican. LMAO! You really need to get out more. So, a "Republican liar" was tapped by Obama to be Transportation Secretary. Does this mean you think Obama is an idiot over naming LaHood to his cabinet? Just having a little fun pointing out the mistake you'd made when you asumed the Secretary was a liberal Democrat. He is the representative of a liberal Democrat, appointed by a liberal Democrat, and made a ridiculous statement attributing something to a liberal Democrat that started before that liberal Democrat even became a Federal employee. He is the Obama Administration's Secretary of Transportation. An Administration's Cabinet represents the Administration and the US. Perhaps he needs a speech-writer of his own?

DesideriScuri -> RE: The White House is Driving Technological Advancements (7/11/2012 5:06:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri I hope you are intelligent enough to read what I wrote and see that I never said Obama said any of that. As a matter of fact, I accurately quoted Ray LaHood as saying it. Your implying that it comes directly from the President. Which there is no evidence of. Your title itself more or less implies President Obama directed the information himself. Since the 'President' (regardless of who he/she is) is often associated with 'The White House'. I'm implying that it comes from the Obama Administration Cabinet, regardless of how you interpret or misinterpret who is being referred to when "The White House" is used. quote: quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Again, I never claimed Obama said any of those things. But, Ray LaHood was giving Obama credit, wasn't he? That may have been the intention. However, that is not how the history developed. As was pointed out that a hybrid vehicle was produced some years before hand. So did Mr. LaHood really give President Obama credit? You understand what I'm getting at, right? Yes, he did give him credit. Recall: quote: “I don’t think the car manufacturers would be manufacturing the cars they are manufacturing today as hybrids, if it weren’t for what the president did in signing the executive order ..." Perhaps that's not really President Obama credit in your eyes, but, it is really giving President Obama at least partial credit (while also giving himself and Ms. Jackson credit. I don't know how long Ms. Jackson has been with the EPA, but he credited the actions of 3 people for the Lexus Hybrid being developed in the previous 2 years. Not saying that Mr. LaHood, Ms. Jackson and President Obama actually developed the technology and how to apply it to the Lexus, so don't try to skate down that tangent. quote: quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri How much did it matter?!?!?!? This guy was talking to a crowd and pumping up his candidate (which I have no problem with in general). But, when he isn't being honest and truthful in the way he's pumping up his candidate, well, that's a problem. "The best intentions?" Really? This was a campaign stop. Gimme a break. EVERYBODY, wants to "...pump up [their] candiate...". He had best intentions, but facts and evidence really didnt favor his speech. For example, George W. Bush had good intentions on 9/11 when he was sitting before the children reading the book. Those 11 minutes between when he was first told and the second time, was time wasted (according to some people). His reaction was (everyone has an opinion on this) he did not wish to alarm the children to the situation at the time, and tried to find a stopping point. To show respect to the children as the children where showing to him. As the saying goes, DS: "The Road to Hell is paved in good intentions" (Capt John Sheridan in Babylon 5 replied "Why does it have to go straight through my office!?!?!"). What is really hilarious is I was going to respond to your "best intentions" assertion with that very quote. Thanks for doing it for me, and taking apart your defense. quote: quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri If you get your head out of your ideological ass, you'd see that I'm not as partisan as you obviously think. You have been more than partisan in the past. I could bring up the examples, but it would be off topic. Again, why make a post like this, when there have been many such instances in which some moron on the conservative side said stuff to pump up a Republican running for the White House within the last year? Its a fair question, in light of the facts on the table. This thread, at its most basic level, is simply a petty slam towards Sec. LaHood. So someone made a mistake in the White House. Are you expecting every Democrat to be perfect 100% all of the time? If not, why bring the thread up in the first place? It was ideologically motived. That truly is the bottom line. I have been more than partisan? Really? Can you prove that I have toed the Party line (which I am not a Republican, btw) when I didn't agree with that line? Can you show me where I've stated that I agreed with something the R's did and disagreed when the D's did the exact same thing? Didn't think so. You are making this too easy, dude. For some reason, I think we've agreed on stuff in past threads, even.

atursvcMaam -> RE: The White House is Driving Technological Advancements (7/11/2012 5:33:53 AM)
If you choose to believe that The White House controls the price and supply of fuel, then I might agree with you. Carter had a run towards this in the 70's until the gas prices settled down, and supply became more available. If the price of gas goes over 4 or 5 bucks, then alternatives become more cost effective. Oh wait, that is capitalism and supply side economics, whatever could I have been thinking. Pay no attention, the White House has no say in any of that, Especially a President who is supposed to be Intellectual, charming and all that. If he is as wonderful as all say, is it possible that some of this difficulty is intentional? It becomes the "up to your ass in alligators" analogy as one tries to drain the swamp. Where is the balance?

MrRodgers -> RE: The White House is Driving Technological Advancements (7/11/2012 6:01:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity [:D] The fucking jackasses in this administration couldn't find their asses using both hands That's because they've got their heads so far up their assholes they can't reach back that far They're looking for W

DomKen -> RE: The White House is Driving Technological Advancements (7/11/2012 11:38:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen So your whine is that LaHood identified a car that came out beore he thought it did? What can you expect but lies from republicans like LaHood? Yeah, because he's a Republican. LMAO! You really need to get out more. So, a "Republican liar" was tapped by Obama to be Transportation Secretary. Does this mean you think Obama is an idiot over naming LaHood to his cabinet? Just having a little fun pointing out the mistake you'd made when you asumed the Secretary was a liberal Democrat. He is the representative of a liberal Democrat, appointed by a liberal Democrat, and made a ridiculous statement attributing something to a liberal Democrat that started before that liberal Democrat even became a Federal employee. He is the Obama Administration's Secretary of Transportation. An Administration's Cabinet represents the Administration and the US. Perhaps he needs a speech-writer of his own? Are you really still whining that he didn't know when a specific model of car became available? Are you really demanding his off the cuff remarks be fact checked befre he made them? The fact remains the President has drastically increased CAFE standards and we all stand to benefit despite decades of intransigence from Congress and the automakers.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: The White House is Driving Technological Advancements (7/11/2012 6:16:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: “I don’t think the car manufacturers would be manufacturing the cars they are manufacturing today as hybrids, if it weren’t for what the president did in signing the executive order and what Lisa [EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson] and I [Secretary of Transportion, Ray LaHood] have done over the last three and half years about developing C.A.F.E. (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) standards for automobiles and light trucks that will get 54.4 miles per gallon by 2025.” “I think we jump started the ability,” said LaHood. “When you see now a Lexus hybrid, no one would have ever predicted that 2 years ago. Every car manufacturer is getting into hybrid. I think we jump started those opportunities.” Sec. LaHood was with Ms. Jackson at the Aspen Ideas Festival on July 3rd. It's a wonderful thing President Obama did with a quick flick of his pen, right? Well as long as you can overlook the slight modification of the truth. The Lexus RX 400h rolled out onto showroom floors at the end of 2005. It's amazing how Barack Obama helped stimulate technology before he was even elected into Federal office. He wasn't even a Senator when these things started rolling out. Now, that's sway! Love your comments....always well thought out.....BUT......leaving the CAFE standards as they were previously would have meant that the average MPG for cars today would be roughly 30% less than they are. And they're gonna be another 30% better in another 5 years. (And they said "it's impossible....can't be done") Surrounded by air bags, it's pretty tough to get hurt in these things even though they're truly tin cans and....the best gig of all....every dollar less we spend on fuel, is one dollar less those pricks over in the Middle East can use to pay for a bomb. I like that a LOT. I'm not a huge fan of Obama....but I looooove this. The gigantor trucks that I buy every 4 - 7 years...last group I bought got an average of 4 - 6 mpg (big motherfucking trucks)...the new ones....8 - 12 mpg....and yeah, they cost 8 kabillion dollars each but...over time, I love it.

DesideriScuri -> RE: The White House is Driving Technological Advancements (7/11/2012 9:31:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Love your comments....always well thought out.....BUT......leaving the CAFE standards as they were previously would have meant that the average MPG for cars today would be roughly 30% less than they are. And they're gonna be another 30% better in another 5 years. (And they said "it's impossible....can't be done") That's not really the point, though. I support higher fuel efficiency vehicles, too. I support wind power and solar power as parts of a residential energy solution. I support geothermal as a way to lower heating costs. I support higher efficiency appliances. I have chosen a water heater that cost more, though it wasn't any larger, simply because it was an Energy Star appliance whereas the other one wasn't. I had even considered going tankless, but it would have taken 30 years to pay the difference, according to Energy Star ratings. I'm still torn up about CFL's, though. I love that they use less energy, but I don't want the mercury going into the ground, and I simply don't have the necessary resources to outfit my house with LED's. But, the key here, is that I'm all for people choosing to do so, not because of the threat of Government. I don't support government subsidizing "green energy" (nor do I support Government subsidizing Big Oil, Big Ag or any other company/sector). If the only reason people "go green" is because they are being forced to do it, they'll rebel in some other way. I do believe there is going to be a market for hybrids, renewable energy in the future, and there will always be oil, coal, nat gas, and nuke power, too. quote: Surrounded by air bags, it's pretty tough to get hurt in these things even though they're truly tin cans and....the best gig of all....every dollar less we spend on fuel, is one dollar less those pricks over in the Middle East can use to pay for a bomb. I like that a LOT. I'm not a huge fan of Obama....but I looooove this. The gigantor trucks that I buy every 4 - 7 years...last group I bought got an average of 4 - 6 mpg (big motherfucking trucks)...the new ones....8 - 12 mpg....and yeah, they cost 8 kabillion dollars each but...over time, I love it. If enough people complained about it, the automakers would have started offering more fuel efficient vehicles (you know, like the Lexus Hybrid brought out in the '06 model year...that shit doesn't happen over night, either, so that had to have been in R&D for years prior). I have heard that US manufacturers are starting to strongly consider the start/stop models they have in Germany (I know they have them there; they could have them other places, but I have no idea one way or the other), to raise fuel efficiency. What happens, though, when an automaker doesn't offer a fuel efficient larger vehicle (my family wouldn't fit very well at all in a Prius), or when the hybrid vehicles cost too much (seriously? A hybrid Escalade?!? Do they take pocket lint as payment?)? I'd love to have a more efficient vehicle (and the $$ to pay for it), but it's just not in the works. "8 kabillion dollars" LMAO!!!

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