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Lordandmaster -> RE: The Game of English Grammar (6/8/2006 9:00:08 PM)
OK, since no one seems to want to go again, here's another: "fused participle"

Dustyn -> RE: The Game of English Grammar (6/8/2006 10:27:56 PM)
The last in a series of lexical developments where gerunds that were once considered strictly nouns were replaced by a more verb-like construction. An example: You saying you're sorry alters the case. The verb is not targetting "you" since "alters" is singular. Gods, my brain is now mush trying to drag that up out of my memory banks... Thanks, L&M... =P Next term: Ditransitive Verb

Lordandmaster -> RE: The Game of English Grammar (6/9/2006 12:04:04 AM)
That's exactly right. It's using a gerund as though it were a participle. "The dog shit on his porch led to him popping a gasket when he saw it." You'd have to say "HIS popping a gasket," because "popping" there should be a gerund, but it's being used as a fused participle. (Best of all, of course, would be to say simply: "He popped a gasket when he saw the dog shit on his porch." It's ALWAYS possible to avoid fused participles; they're a sign of very lazy speech.) A ditransitive verb takes two objects. "I wrote him a letter." "I taught him math." Next one ... hmmm ... "ellipsis" ... get it? ... get it?

Reflectivesoul -> RE: The Game of English Grammar (6/9/2006 12:19:41 AM)
ellipsis is the ommision of part of a word used in a sentence but the ommision has no bearing on the understanding of the sentence. The f***** dog shit on the porch <edited to say> LaM pick nother one [:D]

Lordandmaster -> RE: The Game of English Grammar (6/9/2006 8:24:48 AM)
"apposition"

pinkee -> RE: The Game of English Grammar (6/9/2006 8:41:23 AM)
apposition A noun 1 juxtaposition, apposition, collocation the act of positioning close together (or side by side); "it is the result of the juxtaposition of contrasting colors. 2 apposition (biology) growth in the thickness of a cell wall by the deposit of successive layers of material E.g.: The book was in apposition with the library resources. Next: name every tense in the English language and use it in a sentence. pinkee

Lordandmaster -> RE: The Game of English Grammar (6/9/2006 9:22:49 AM)
Well, I'll give the active indicative forms. If you add passive, subjunctive, and so on, this would be a LONG post. present: I eat present progressive: I am eating present perfect: I have eaten present perfect progressive: I have been eating past: I ate past progressive: I was eating past perfect: I had eaten past perfect progressive: I had been eating future: I shall eat future progressive: I shall be eating future perfect: I shall have eaten future perfect progressive: I shall have been eating (in practice this is quite rare) I think sometimes people recognize an "immediate future," or something like that: I am going to eat Next one..."ecbatic" and "telic"...they came up in the "Word Fight" thread...yay! quote: ORIGINAL: pinkee Next: name every tense in the English language and use it in a sentence.

pinkee -> RE: The Game of English Grammar (6/9/2006 9:55:01 AM)
You forgot "pluperfect": "Pluperfect” Definition: A verb tense used to indicate that an action was completed at some specified or implied time in the past. In English, the pluperfect is expressed by using the auxiliary verb "had" followed by the past participle: "She had studied." pinkee

Lordandmaster -> RE: The Game of English Grammar (6/9/2006 10:31:16 AM)
I already told you, pluperfect is the same thing as past perfect.

pinkee -> RE: The Game of English Grammar (6/9/2006 10:48:46 AM)
i dunno Lam..s'not what i was taught. What's Your source? pinkee

MyCaptainsPet -> RE: The Game of English Grammar (6/9/2006 11:17:25 AM)
past perfect Main Entry: past perfect Function: adjective : of, relating to, or constituting a verb tense that is traditionally formed in English with had and denotes an action or state as completed at or before a past time spoken of - past perfect noun pluperfect One entry found for pluperfect. Main Entry: plu·per·fect [image]http://www.webster.com/images/audio.gif[/image] Pronunciation: "plü-'p&r-fikt Function: adjective Etymology: Middle English pluperfyth, modification of Late Latin plusquamperfectus, literally, more than perfect 1 : PAST PERFECT 2 : utterly perfect or complete - pluperfect noun [image]http://www.webster.com/images/pixt.gif[/image] [image]http://www.webster.com/images/pixt.gif[/image] http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=Pluperfect

Lordandmaster -> RE: The Game of English Grammar (6/9/2006 1:56:22 PM)
"Pluperfect" and "past perfect" are two different names for the same thing. Any grammar source will tell you this.

pinkee -> RE: The Game of English Grammar (6/9/2006 2:42:26 PM)
Table of tenses in English with active and passive TENSE ACTIVE PASSIVE SIMPLE Present He takes It is taken Past He took It was taken Present Perfect He has taken It has been taken Past perfect He had taken It had been taken Future He will take It will be taken Future perfect He will have taken It will have been taken Conditional He would take It would be taken Past Conditional He would have taken It would have been taken Modal verbs He may, might, could, can (etc,) take It may, might, could, can (etc,) be taken CONTINUOUS Present He is taking It is being taken Past He was taking It was being taken Present perfect He has been taking * Past perfect He had been taking * Future He will be taking * Future perfect He will have been taking * Conditional He would be taking * Past conditional He would have been taking * OTHERS Infinitive (to) take (to) be taken Perfect infinitive (to) have taken (to) have been taken Gerund taking being taken Imperative Take! be taken! pinkee (shoulda known better sigh)

Lordandmaster -> RE: The Game of English Grammar (6/9/2006 3:13:44 PM)
Whether the conditional is a tense or a mood is an interesting question. I don't think it's really a tense (because there's a present conditional, future conditional, and so on), but if you want to call it a set of tenses, it's fine with me. Infinitive and imperative are not tenses. The infinitive is just a verbal noun, and the imperative is classified as a mood (like indicative and subjunctive). What this chart is calling "continuous" is what I called "progressive." And you can see that this chart uses "past perfect" instead of "pluperfect."

pinkee -> RE: The Game of English Grammar (6/9/2006 6:56:25 PM)
i conceded nicely, Lam. Next question please? pinkee

Lordandmaster -> RE: The Game of English Grammar (6/9/2006 7:12:01 PM)
I said: quote: Next one..."ecbatic" and "telic"...they came up in the "Word Fight" thread...yay!

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