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RE: The Game of English Grammar - 6/8/2006 9:00:08 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		OK, since no one seems to want to go again, here's another: "fused participle"

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RE: The Game of English Grammar - 6/8/2006 10:27:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		The last in a series of lexical developments where gerunds that were once considered strictly nouns were replaced by a more verb-like construction.

An example: You saying you're sorry alters the case.  The verb is not targetting "you" since "alters" is singular.

Gods, my brain is now mush trying to drag that up out of my memory banks... Thanks, L&M... =P

Next term: Ditransitive Verb


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RE: The Game of English Grammar - 6/9/2006 12:04:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's exactly right.  It's using a gerund as though it were a participle.  "The dog shit on his porch led to him popping a gasket when he saw it."  You'd have to say "HIS popping a gasket," because "popping" there should be a gerund, but it's being used as a fused participle.  (Best of all, of course, would be to say simply: "He popped a gasket when he saw the dog shit on his porch."  It's ALWAYS possible to avoid fused participles; they're a sign of very lazy speech.)

A ditransitive verb takes two objects.  "I wrote him a letter."  "I taught him math."

Next one ... hmmm ... "ellipsis" ... get it? ... get it?

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RE: The Game of English Grammar - 6/9/2006 12:19:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		ellipsis is the ommision of part of a word used in a sentence but the ommision has no bearing on the understanding of the sentence.

The f***** dog shit on the porch 


<edited to say> LaM pick nother one

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RE: The Game of English Grammar - 6/9/2006 8:24:48 AM   
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RE: The Game of English Grammar - 6/9/2006 8:41:23 AM   
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apposition

A
noun


1 
juxtaposition, apposition, collocation

the act of positioning close together (or side by side); "it is the result of the juxtaposition of contrasting colors.

2 
apposition

(biology) growth in the thickness of a cell wall by the deposit of successive layers of material
 
E.g.:  The book was in apposition with the library resources.
 
 
Next: name every tense in the English language and use it in a sentence.
 
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RE: The Game of English Grammar - 6/9/2006 9:22:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I'll give the active indicative forms.  If you add passive, subjunctive, and so on, this would be a LONG post.

present: I eat
present progressive: I am eating
present perfect: I have eaten
present perfect progressive: I have been eating
past: I ate
past progressive: I was eating
past perfect: I had eaten
past perfect progressive: I had been eating
future: I shall eat
future progressive: I shall be eating
future perfect: I shall have eaten
future perfect progressive: I shall have been eating (in practice this is quite rare)

I think sometimes people recognize an "immediate future," or something like that: I am going to eat

Next one..."ecbatic" and "telic"...they came up in the "Word Fight" thread...yay!

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ORIGINAL: pinkee

Next: name every tense in the English language and use it in a sentence.


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RE: The Game of English Grammar - 6/9/2006 9:55:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		You forgot "pluperfect":
 
"Pluperfect”
 
Definition: A verb tense used to indicate that an action was completed at some specified or implied time in the past.
In English, the pluperfect is expressed by using the auxiliary verb "had" followed by the past participle: "She had studied."
 
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RE: The Game of English Grammar - 6/9/2006 10:31:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		I already told you, pluperfect is the same thing as past perfect.

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RE: The Game of English Grammar - 6/9/2006 10:48:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		i dunno Lam..s'not what i was taught.  What's Your source?
 
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RE: The Game of English Grammar - 6/9/2006 11:17:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		past perfect
Main Entry: past perfect
Function: adjective
: of, relating to, or constituting a verb tense that is traditionally formed in English with had and denotes an action or state as completed at or before a past time spoken of
- past perfect noun

pluperfect One entry found for pluperfect.
Main Entry: plu·per·fect
Pronunciation: "plü-'p&r-fikt
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English pluperfyth, modification of Late Latin plusquamperfectus, literally, more than perfect
1 : PAST PERFECT
2 : utterly perfect or complete
- pluperfect noun

http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=Pluperfect

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RE: The Game of English Grammar - 6/9/2006 1:56:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Pluperfect" and "past perfect" are two different names for the same thing.  Any grammar source will tell you this.

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RE: The Game of English Grammar - 6/9/2006 2:42:26 PM   
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Table of tenses in English with active and passive

 






TENSE


ACTIVE


PASSIVE



SIMPLE


Present

He takes

It is taken


Past

He took

It was taken 


Present Perfect

He has taken

It has been taken


Past perfect

He had taken

It had been taken


Future

He will take

It will be taken


Future perfect

He will have taken 

It will have been taken


Conditional 

He would take

It would be taken


Past Conditional

He would have taken

It would have been taken


Modal verbs

He may, might, could, 
can (etc,) take

It may, might, could, 
can (etc,) be taken



CONTINUOUS


Present

He is taking

It is being taken


Past

He was taking

It was being taken


Present perfect

He has been taking


*


Past perfect

He had been taking


*


Future

He will be taking


*


Future perfect

He will have been taking


*


Conditional

He would be taking


*


Past conditional

He would have been taking 


*



OTHERS


Infinitive

(to) take

(to) be taken


Perfect infinitive

(to) have taken

(to) have been taken


Gerund

taking

being taken


Imperative

Take!

be taken!
 
 
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RE: The Game of English Grammar - 6/9/2006 3:13:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Whether the conditional is a tense or a mood is an interesting question.  I don't think it's really a tense (because there's a present conditional, future conditional, and so on), but if you want to call it a set of tenses, it's fine with me.

Infinitive and imperative are not tenses.  The infinitive is just a verbal noun, and the imperative is classified as a mood (like indicative and subjunctive).

What this chart is calling "continuous" is what I called "progressive."  And you can see that this chart uses "past perfect" instead of "pluperfect."

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RE: The Game of English Grammar - 6/9/2006 6:56:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		i conceded nicely, Lam.  Next question please?
 
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RE: The Game of English Grammar - 6/9/2006 7:12:01 PM   
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quote:

Next one..."ecbatic" and "telic"...they came up in the "Word Fight" thread...yay!

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