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Wulfchyld -> Security clearance (6/8/2006 4:42:39 PM)

I am curious about Gov. security clearance. My SO works with a guy who is now a nurse that claims to have flown Air Force 1. It reeks of Deja Moo to me. So I guess my questions, if anyone knows, is;
 
1.     Why would the Gov. not keep him in a VA hospital were they could keep up with someone with so much top-secret info.
2.       Wouldn’t someone who flew Air Force 1 have a higher security rating than the president? I surmise they would be privy to locations that even the Prez doesn’t know about.
3.     If you flew Air force 1 what would ever possess you to work at a low pay nursing home in Oklahoma?



diamonddreamlove -> RE: Security clearance (6/8/2006 4:53:41 PM)

Don't know anything but that sometimes folks that have had high clearance are just so relieved to not have the responsibility that being a Walmart greeter is an aspiration.  (mine anyway lol)  High clearance = High stress.



smilezz -> RE: Security clearance (6/8/2006 4:54:44 PM)

<if i tell you i'd have to kill you>   *grinz*

There are people out there that have security clearances.  It does depend on "what type" of clearance that is though.  There are quite a few Former Military that are working in low-paying jobs now, it's unfortunate.  I will say also, just because that guy "said" he flew AF-1 does not mean he did.  It's kind of like people that say "Hey, i was/am a Seal in the Navy"   uhhhhhh, i personally know quite a few of these people, and not one of them throw that around that casual, hell....talk about it.   When in doubt........doubt it.

~smilezz~



Wulfchyld -> RE: Security clearance (6/8/2006 4:57:25 PM)

Oh please no! I said I didnt want to know... Stop..... no smilezz..... argghhhhghhghhhh......



Wolf1020 -> RE: Security clearance (6/8/2006 5:00:51 PM)

Security Clearance?  You wanna talk security clearance?

The US goverment has nothing on walgreens.  I got hired there a few days ago and they still aint given me the code to the break room doors electronic lock lmao



smilezz -> RE: Security clearance (6/8/2006 5:40:51 PM)

stop is not a safeword.   <eg>

laughs and laughs

~smilezz~



JohnWarren -> RE: Security clearance (6/8/2006 5:50:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Wulfchyld

I am curious about Gov. security clearance. My SO works with a guy who is now a nurse that claims to have flown Air Force 1. It reeks of Deja Moo to me. So I guess my questions, if anyone knows, is;
 
1.     Why would the Gov. not keep him in a VA hospital were they could keep up with someone with so much top-secret info.
2.       Wouldn’t someone who flew Air Force 1 have a higher security rating than the president? I surmise they would be privy to locations that even the Prez doesn’t know about.
3.     If you flew Air force 1 what would ever possess you to work at a low pay nursing home in Oklahoma?


There are secrets and there are secrets.  Most of them are time sensitive so a few years after someone gets out, what he knows isn't of much importance.  For example, I was trained to use the W7 man-portable nuke.  Mucho secret stuff.  Hell, I don't even know if they have the W7 any more and probably what I know is up on some museum wall somewhere.

Just remember the amount of peanut butter used at the CIA headquarters is secret. (A newspaper made an FOI request and was turned down) Just because someone has a security clearance doesn't mean they know anything anyone really wants to find out.



ArtCatDom -> RE: Security clearance (6/8/2006 7:02:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Wulfchyld

I am curious about Gov. security clearance. My SO works with a guy who is now a nurse that claims to have flown Air Force 1. It reeks of Deja Moo to me. So I guess my questions, if anyone knows, is;
 
1.     Why would the Gov. not keep him in a VA hospital were they could keep up with someone with so much top-secret info.
2.       Wouldn’t someone who flew Air Force 1 have a higher security rating than the president? I surmise they would be privy to locations that even the Prez doesn’t know about.
3.     If you flew Air force 1 what would ever possess you to work at a low pay nursing home in Oklahoma?


1. No. Part of receiving clearance is the belief you will keep your mouth shut. Unlike conspiracy theories and movies, they rarely keep tabs on people "after service" regardless of the information to which they had access.

2. Highly unlikely considering the President has near total power over classification and can classify and declassify information freely. Also unlikely considering Air Force One is a Presidential craft.

3. Who knows? Some people after a lifestyle like that (if he indeed lived it) enjoy living a "normal" life, nose to the grindstone.

Some thoughts:
Unless this fellow is in his late fourties, if not older, and served at least a decade before assignment to the Presidential Airlift Group, it is highly unlikely he ever flew Air Force One. Assignment to the Presidential Airlift Group at Andrews is a vast honour and is almost always reserved to pilots in the service with the greatest experience (and among the most highly decorated at that). So unless he's old enough to have put in serious time, skilled enough to have an immense log of flight hours and talented/driven enough to repeatedly decorated with high honours, the chances he ever flew Air Force One are slim to none.

On the question of "clearance" you can have the highest clearances and still have access to almost nothing. The military generally works on a two fold system of clearances and authorizations. Think of clearances as prescreening. Security clearances are simply certifications that you are OK to receive certain levels of information. However, you need to be authorized in order to receive that information. For example, most communications soldiers because of the nature of the equipment they work with have a high enough security clearance to know what is inside crytography boxes. However, almost none of them have the authorization to receive that information (and in fact, cracking one open "innocently" or "accidentally" is a quick road to general discharge and if they have any reason to believe there's even the slightest shread of ill intent it's a damn fast road to court martial, whether or not you have a "high enough" security clearance).

Hope this info helps.

*meow*



LokisBrat -> RE: Security clearance (6/8/2006 7:16:31 PM)

During my time as Military Police, I was required at certain points to obtain Secret Security Clearance in order to deal with certain aspects of part of my job.  While I was able to access more than the average G.I., I still would have required further clearance to go beyond what my job required.
As far as keeping tabs, I've been out more than a while and have yet to ever hear or be aware of any such event.
I do however, use my Clearance status on my CV, as I feel it demonstrates I was entrusted with a level of security not issued to everyone.

My $.02!![:D]


Brat



Alumbrado -> RE: Security clearance (6/8/2006 7:40:16 PM)

Clearances are not honors, or a contest, they are part of the routine work in several places including DoD.  And Secret is hardly a high level clearance. 
I know people who were night watchmen who had a higher clearance because of what was behind the locks they were tugging.

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/generalinfo/a/security.htm

And as mentioned with the fake Navy Seals, the folks yakking the loudest are not always the real deal.

http://veriseal.org/about.html




FangsNfeet -> RE: Security clearance (6/8/2006 8:55:33 PM)

1.     Why would the Gov. not keep him in a VA hospital were they could keep up with someone with so much top-secret info.

Ask him yourself. Anyhow, there is no military experience needed to work in the VA. Much of its staff are civilians. The VA itself is not the best paying place to work for either. Choosing it over a nursing home would not be my choice but each has his own. Either way, Uncle Sam can't force to work in the VA after your service and or contracts are up.

2.       Wouldn’t someone who flew Air Force 1 have a higher security rating than the president? I surmise they would be privy to locations that even the Prez doesn’t know about.

Knowing locations? Not really. They go where the air traffic controll tells them. There job is to take the plane up in the air and land it safely. Auto Pilot can do the rest. Not to mention, if you are taking controll of the wheel, you just follow the fighter jets. 

3.     If you flew Air force 1 what would ever possess you to work at a low pay nursing home in Oklahoma?

Each has his own. Not everyone wants to be a pilot forever. Especially when it requires to go be on call 24/7 on any given notice. Even in nursing homes, nurses make good money. Anyhow, if you saved up a good nest egg, what's wrong with working a job that feels more laid back? He just needs a job to add to his bennifits and social security. Perhaps he's just keeping things smooth untill he can cash in on some CDs and his IRA.

This question reminds me of a Marine I knew in college. Before joining the Sam Houston State University Marching Band and getting a college education, he was a member of the Presidents Own. So with this move, is he going backwards or forwards?   



fullofgrace -> RE: Security clearance (6/9/2006 3:00:42 AM)

i won't go into details because it's really not mine to tell and He's pretty closemouthed about it, but my Dominant spent many years in the navy and in security, and He still works security as a civilian. He had very, very high security clearance at a couple of locations.

He also aspires to move to virginia and fade into obscurity; not necessarily in that order. His past, other than psychologically, shouldn't and doesn't really hold Him back from that. this doesn't sound like THAT much of a stretch to me. of course, there are always going to be people lying for attention, and this guy may be one of those. but the particular issues you raised don't really send off major red flags for me...knowing the little i do about how security clearance works.

i'm just curious as to why he's broadcasting these areas of his history. from the few military guys i know - my Dom and those in my family - security clearance and major positions really aren't something you tend to go around beating your chest over...the impression i get is that fading into obscurity is A Very Good Thing.



IronBear -> RE: Security clearance (6/9/2006 3:07:26 AM)

Just as there are secrets within secrets (Which allows the elected members of governments plausable deniable plausability), there are often departments which officially do not exist.... Here and in the UK for examples, the official running them may well be the sinior Government official (Permanant Civil Servant) under the PM or President..... It is necessary for Governments to opperate and do what needs to be done without being officially responcible. This is of course why Private "Security" Contractors are used overseas.. 



Kedikat -> RE: Security clearance (6/9/2006 3:43:34 AM)

I bet it is BS.
I would suppose the pilot would be a top level military or ex mil pilot. Already having a high clearance and rank. The pilot would not be back shmoozing with the Prez and folks much, especially if anything interesting was being discussed, so he/she would not hear much.
If they are really that worried that you will blab after your tour ends, and you had any real good stuff to blab.  You might have a fatal accident/illness.
There are many thousands of folks out there living their lives in very ordinary ways after leaving their posts. With a whole lot of classified tidbits in their heads. You would be surprised at the sorts of folks who have had the clearances.

As to point #3. Easy access to a drug cabinet? hehe. I think it's BS but.......I've met one strange fellow.........



Kedikat -> RE: Security clearance (6/9/2006 3:49:26 AM)

OH WAIT!!
I forgot, I am a hard core Liberal.
The poor man is making atonement by humble service, after a life of charioteer for the the GREAT SATAN!!!!

hahhehehahhee



kisshou -> RE: Security clearance (6/9/2006 3:49:29 AM)

I belive the real issue is that he is trying to impress your SO with all of this. It sounds like he is hitting on her. 



NastyDaddy -> RE: Security clearance (6/9/2006 9:07:31 AM)

Just a reminder to all who are posting comments on what classified operations or systems they 'were trained on' and/or 'cleared into' during their service...

Unless you know for a fact (and you probably don't) that any data covering any aspect of classified Ops or systems (names, nomenclatures, capabilities, etc) HAS in fact been Declassified to a level BELOW FOUO (For Official Use Only)... that YOU are still bound by the last known applicable security classification and the terms of your debriefings. 

If any of you engage in any form of paraphrasing, or dropping potential essential elements of friendly information (EEFI's), then YOU are constituting a security risk yourself!

Remember your debriefing!!!

Enough said.










NastyDaddy -> RE: Security clearance (6/9/2006 9:12:24 AM)

Loki, I once flew a NASA1000... and I can't tell you anything about it, ok so let's just forget it.

Would you look here at this fancy funky ink pen... ZAP!!!  OK, you're good now...






LaTigresse -> RE: Security clearance (6/9/2006 9:31:25 AM)

funny little thread and I must say that having spent my whole life with quite a few family members in various branches of the military and other similar beyond military branch type work.......the people that really do/are rarely discuss their work at all even with their family members



FangsNfeet -> RE: Security clearance (6/9/2006 11:49:32 AM)

"i'm just curious as to why he's broadcasting these areas of his history."

Most people have what's called a "High Light" in there life that they will continue to reminise about. It could be High School, College, Millitary Days, Rock Tours, Riding with Hells Angels, Hippie Parties and Wood Stock, as well as any other experiences in there life.

As it turns out, flying Air Force One just happens to be his "High Light" which he likes to talk about the most. Maybe he is lying, but even if that's the case, who would give a damn?  



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