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Fifty years of the Stones - 7/16/2012 1:17:08 PM

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I'm sure everyone has heard recently http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2172801/The-Rolling-Stones-mark-50-years-exhibition-hint-tour-comeback.html that the Rolling Stones have been around for 50 years.

Can't say I'm a huge fan of Mick n' Keef and unlike the Beatles they lost a lot of their sheen by staying around too long but there's no denying a lot of their work was era defining genius. Iconic is probably the word.

Off the top of my head here are a few great but lesser(ish) known tracks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2gPIREi9P8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QlBTOAqHhk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yd8X2EnajU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHGUyh1RPwU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geQ_SmCZWjE

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RE: Fifty years of the Stones - 7/16/2012 1:49:18 PM

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eehh...never liked the Stones. I can think of maybe one or two songs I've ever liked by them....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMYjTWbU76k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3Ic9ksFn0Y

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RE: Fifty years of the Stones - 7/16/2012 1:52:34 PM

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LOVED teh Some Girls album.

Sticky FIngers, too.

saw a DVD on their (most recent? tour..with the lions..cant recall the name of it) and I was blown away by the sheer energy of the show.

NOT a huge Stones fan, but kudos for being able to still DO a show after all these years!

(btw, I wonder if it's in the contract that nobody is allowed to tell Keith he DIED 30 years ago??)
lol

BRIDGES TO BABYLON!! that was the tour dvd I saw!

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RE: Fifty years of the Stones - 7/16/2012 1:54:25 PM

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Loves the stones :)

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RE: Fifty years of the Stones - 7/16/2012 4:02:20 PM

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I guess one of my favourites is Gimme Shelter, though I have good memories of Start Me Up as I saw it when The Rolling Stones played Roundhay Park in Leeds in the early 1980's.

I also like the fact that they can cover songs consistently well.. having started out as a cover band in the 1960's.

Particularly

Under The Boardwalk

My Girl

Poison Ivy

Like A Rolling Stone

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RE: Fifty years of the Stones - 7/16/2012 4:33:23 PM

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Question......would they be just as famous/revered/rich if they had quit 25 years ago?

cos they should have as they have not made a decent record in the last 25 years

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RE: Fifty years of the Stones - 7/16/2012 5:28:41 PM

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Yes, Poison Ivy one of the best, just after Fortune Teller, that is, from that genre/era.

For a 16 yr. old at the guitar for two months, Fortune Teller was more involving here than House Of The Rising Sun, as was foisted upon beginners in the day. Glad I got ahold of that one in their Hot Rocks compilation album.

With our dime allowance, sister and I had to go halves on anything to be able to buy it at all, though a larger portion got a bigger vote. "19th Nervous Breakdown" was our first single, I think. 50/50 on that one. Entwistle was the monster bass player from the start, but Bill Wyman did a truly wicked and warped thing at the tail of that song.

Yes, the Stones went beyond and survived beyond where they could ever be remembered 'fondly,' but OTOH, they grasped 80-90% of whatever was going on at whatever time, in whatever era, as well as anyone. No other band did that over such a span. Their hit-and-miss approach dogged them in the earliest days of writing their own material, and has ever since, but I guess they're used to it.

While we're at it; no other band has written two successive top ten singles that completely enveloped and sumptuously took a hot bath in BDSM-like geist without giving a thought to that particular aspect at all, as with Jumpin' Jack Flash and Honky Tonk Women. Brown Sugar was the next one, if I recall.

Not the biggest fan here either, but knowing what I know about the business, these guys fit the description of 'forgotten more than you could ever know' and their ability as to how to handle whatever is thrown at them is quite amazing, I must say. Which is quite different than saying I can cotton to their every response, but that is as much a matter of the artistic decrepitude in pop music in which they were every bit as much of the process as anyone else, even as they advanced such 'Art' as to provide inspiration to many others in that cause.

Live by, die by, etc.

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RE: Fifty years of the Stones - 7/16/2012 5:46:50 PM

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Angie is one of my all time favorites.
Another is Wild Horses.

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RE: Fifty years of the Stones - 7/16/2012 5:59:16 PM

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quote:

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Question......would they be just as famous/revered/rich if they had quit 25 years ago?

cos they should have as they have not made a decent record in the last 25 years

I hear what you say ... but,

In 2005, there was no better live show on the planet. I worked that show, and I can verify that Mick, at the time, jumped and danced better than any 61 yr. old I've ever seen (better than a number of recent 20-somethings, actually, but let's not go there), and sang amazingly near to being on key most of the time while doing it. Likewise did 'Keef' maintain whatever he did on the original record, throughout the show. Jagger had taken a more 'athletic' approach to things from the start, and he has taken that aspect more to heart than he actually ever did in '65. Just amazing, all I can say. He and Keith just blew the crowd away, completely.

As with McCartney or Brian Wilson ... the real deal, in live show, is a phenomenal experience.

No argument from this corner that artistically their day is done, all of the above, but there is nothing like the live show, and all the above have consistently blown audiences away in the last ten years in their live shows, and that to a large audience of 'Junger,' or that is, a large portion of very young members of the crowd.

If you'd worked as many operas, plays, and world-class symphony orchestras as I have, the distinction is not so great as many of you would imagine it, nor would actual live performance be so readily unappreciated.

Those guys know the appropriate history intrinsically, I can tell you that.

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RE: Fifty years of the Stones - 7/16/2012 6:25:38 PM

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This has always been one of my favs.

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RE: Fifty years of the Stones - 7/16/2012 6:44:34 PM

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Wonderful song, as is Waiting On A friend.

I told you those guys could keep up. Except on those occasions when they 'missed, high and outside,' to use American baseball terms.

But I do remember picking cucumbers and tomatoes in the summer in eastern NC as a child, then using a quarter from those earnings in the jukebox to hear Have You Seen Your Mother Baby Standing In The Shadows (along with two other songs) at the bowling alley, thank goodness for the sonics of the last days of tubes (valves). Great reverb and hyper-fuzz guitar on that one, spread out over the whole large acoustical experience of the bowling establishment.

You can keep the earbuds, TVM.

Presentation is everything. In a real acoustical setting.

Or at least it was.

That's why almost anything from Motown or Stax sounded (and still sounds, on original LPs or singles) so good. They expected the thing to be played in a real room, the larger the better, and mixed and mastered accordingly to that end for best effect. But before any of that, Benny Benjamin and James Jamerson were playing to a large crowd intentionally, not to earbuds, as to what they rendered in the studio, not even relying on the recording process or technology at all.

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RE: Fifty years of the Stones - 7/16/2012 7:34:49 PM

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No escaping Ruby Tuesday, however little sense it makes, or ever did at the time, or now. It makes more sense than Hey Jude or Let it Be ever could aspire to, even the latter being written 2-3 years after Jagger-Richards' efforts, showing the way with that one and then Jack Flash.

So much for Lennon's claim of the Stones copping the Beatles at every step. Quite the reverse after Sgt. Peppers and the loss of Brian Epstein. Talk about rudderless ...

Unintentional or serendipitous 'anthems' are like that. Ruby Tuesday is far more to the point than Hay Jude or Let It Bee was, by dint of far lower, or at least, more realistic and far less pretentious pretension, if I may state it that way. There WAS no point, other than to find a melody to get on the radio; that's how it worked at the time. The Beatles are forever the best album writers in popular music, but The Rolling Stones smoked them in singles in '67-'69, and the former took notice to such extent as to have great effect thereby. Hey Jude and Revolution were not just idle exercises, they were direct and, truth be known, defensive responses.

Heck no the Stones didn't mean for that to happen, but quit bitching about all their other shortcomings, then. They stuck it it out; they were has-beens in '66, prior to that song, and have been ever since.

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RE: Fifty years of the Stones - 7/16/2012 7:37:10 PM

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An excellent live version of Jumpin' Jack Flash http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psC6mk9ZTP4 (with IMHO particularly good vocals by Mick) from an otherwise pretty shit event known as the Rock n’ Roll Circus (1968)!

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LOVED teh Some Girls album.

Funny story (well not really) but I used to have a really battered cassette of Some Girls. There wasn’t any album notes of course and I thought the track “When the whip comes down” (supposedly about a gay prostitute if I recall correctly) was actually “Better luck down south”, which IMHO would also be a cool title for a Stones song...

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RE: Fifty years of the Stones - 7/16/2012 8:01:09 PM

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Under My Thumb
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Sympathy For The Devil... my very first Stones song that I loved.

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RE: Fifty years of the Stones - 7/16/2012 8:08:20 PM

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Too many great songs(some have already been mentioned here) to list
Too many great shows that I have been fortunate enough to attend.
May they rock another 50 years(yeah,yeah I know....lol)
Edited to add: I started going to Stones shows in the early 70's....can't tell You how many I have attended since then,I do hope they tour again this year,I need one more show for 5 decades in a row ....lol

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RE: Fifty years of the Stones - 7/16/2012 8:15:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn
Yes, the Stones went beyond and survived beyond where they could ever be remembered 'fondly,' but OTOH, they grasped 80-90% of whatever was going on at whatever time, in whatever era, as well as anyone. No other band did that over such a span. Their hit-and-miss approach dogged them in the earliest days of writing their own material, and has ever since, but I guess they're used to it.

The Stones when they were listening to other peoples records a bit more than would have perhaps been wise but still sounding pretty darn good in the process:

Psychedelica: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAVxKFnlCMw

Reggae: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ-yDL7XxeE

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No escaping Ruby Tuesday, however little sense it makes, or ever did at the time, or now.

Unintentional or serendipitous 'anthems' are like that. Ruby Tuesday is far more to the point than Hay Jude or Let It Bee was, by dint of far lower, or at least, more realistic and far less pretentious pretension, if I may state it that way.

For some reason that song seems to encapsulate the essence of the 60's pretty much like no other.

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Live by, die by, etc.

I tend to think of Rory Gallagher like no other when someone says the above! Believe it or not there is also a Stones connection with the aforementioned guitarist.

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RE: Fifty years of the Stones - 7/16/2012 8:42:15 PM

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One of my (fairly remote) friends at the pro audio site related his experience re Mr. Jagger.

He was teaching a drummer the part to some song, and sang along with. Mick sang clearly above it, seemingly just as an everyday effort. The recording engineer was amazed.

The engineer always had the tape rolling (he and Jagger still use the medium), and Jagger still sang over the drummer, even in just a demo.

Again, not the largest fan, but the intent and the professionalism combined cannot escape notice here.

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RE: Fifty years of the Stones - 7/17/2012 2:22:42 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJTF9o_fplc

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RE: Fifty years of the Stones - 7/17/2012 2:47:14 PM

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RE: Fifty years of the Stones - 7/17/2012 6:44:51 PM

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Question......would they be just as famous/revered/rich if they had quit 25 years ago?

cos they should have as they have not made a decent record in the last 25 years

Yeah, gotta agree with you there.

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