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Who hired him to harness electricity at Niagra Falls? Who hired him to electrify the cities in the North East?....THE GOVERNMENT!....just thought I'd help you out!

Really? I thought it was the Niagara Falls Power Company.

New York state government, and enlarged the original canal to provide hydraulic power for their gristmill and tannery. In 1853, the Niagara Falls Hydraulic Power and Mining Company was chartered, which eventually constructed the canals which would be used to generate electricity. In 1881, under the leadership of Jacob Schoellkopf, Niagara River's first hydroelectric generating station was built. The water fell 86 feet (26 m) and generated direct current electricity, which ran the machinery of local mills and lit up some of the village streets.
oops....Guess without the first canal, the second might not have been built.....

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And how was all that funded? Sheriff, city councils, state governments. courts ad nauseum. They didn't pay for themselves, now did they.

How was it funded?
Are you sugesting that your so called "risk takers" paid for it?

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Well, its funny we are off on George Westinghouse, who was HELPED OUT by two partners who invested $5000  (so he had help, didnt do it on his own) to start the air brake company (and had a falling out with them, and rather fucked them, not buying them out) just moving to Andrew Carnaiges Pittsburgh to buy cheaper steel for more profit, as Andy manipulated stock and swindled other swindlers killed a few employees and got government assistance to do so...

But again, Georgie was a fairly fair haired boy, lets talk about the bulk of the self-made robber barons who licked it up at the government trough fast as they could rather than the one exception. 

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What infrastructure did the early west bound settlers depend upon?

And what did they promptly put in place?

Infrastructure. The Pony Express. Railroads. Marshals. Sheriffs. City Councils. State governments. Courts. Cavalry. Land claims. Mineral rights.

You idiot. All of that was built on the backs of the risk takers. You know, the ones who had nothing to do with it.

You idiot. To protect the gains of the risk takers.

And how was all that funded? Sheriff, city councils, state governments. courts ad nauseum. They didn't pay for themselves, now did they.

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Well, its funny we are off on George Westinghouse, who was HELPED OUT by two partners who invested $5000  (so he had help, didnt do it on his own) to start the air brake company (and had a falling out with them, and rather fucked them, not buying them out) just moving to Andrew Carnaiges Pittsburgh to buy cheaper steel for more profit, as Andy manipulated stock and swindled other swindlers killed a few employees and got government assistance to do so...

But again, Georgie was a fairly fair haired boy, lets talk about the bulk of the self-made robber barons who licked it up at the government trough fast as they could rather than the one exception. 

Invested? Two people invested as partners? I'm guessing they expected a return on their investment. Now George may have been a scoundrel, I do not know, but investing carries risk.

Ok, now as to all the robber barons who licked it up at the government trough. You really want to accuse them, you being the government trough parasite you are? You advocate government for everything. You advocate FOR the trough you decried. Hypocrite.

(another duck on the pond[8D])

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What infrastructure did the early west bound settlers depend upon?

And what did they promptly put in place?

Infrastructure. The Pony Express. Railroads. Marshals. Sheriffs. City Councils. State governments. Courts. Cavalry. Land claims. Mineral rights.

You idiot. All of that was built on the backs of the risk takers. You know, the ones who had nothing to do with it.

You idiot. To protect the gains of the risk takers.

And how was all that funded? Sheriff, city councils, state governments. courts ad nauseum. They didn't pay for themselves, now did they.

Nope. Everybody chipped in to pay for the rich man's needs.

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Well, its funny we are off on George Westinghouse, who was HELPED OUT by two partners who invested $5000  (so he had help, didnt do it on his own) to start the air brake company (and had a falling out with them, and rather fucked them, not buying them out) just moving to Andrew Carnaiges Pittsburgh to buy cheaper steel for more profit, as Andy manipulated stock and swindled other swindlers killed a few employees and got government assistance to do so...

But again, Georgie was a fairly fair haired boy, lets talk about the bulk of the self-made robber barons who licked it up at the government trough fast as they could rather than the one exception. 

Invested? Two people invested as partners? I'm guessing they expected a return on their investment. Now George may have been a scoundrel, I do not know, but investing carries risk.

Ok, now as to all the robber barons who licked it up at the government trough. You really want to accuse them, you being the government trough parasite you are? You advocate government for everything. You advocate FOR the trough you decried. Hypocrite.

(another duck on the pond[8D])

You are the advocate for government trough....hypocrite my ass, as you sit out there on public waterways funded and created by the corps of engineers, and coast guard to rescue your dumb ass from that leaky fucking tub.

Yeah, so he had help, he didnt do it on his own, and by god we all know about risk, we aint paying for it yet, we are just letting the interest mount up on the governmnet debt.

Sticking me with your idiotic shit in Iraq, and now you want a round of votes so you can do Iran? Pay your way you fuckin deadbeat.

And you are sucking up the shit as fast as you can, and trying to get out of paying for it. 

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And what of the rich man? Why do you ignore his contribution? Envy perhaps?

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you are also wasting americas oxygen, I see you aint got nothing but a rushfelching permanent pucker and your dick in your hand.

And you certainly dont have any facts or valid arguements you fuckin deadbeat, you sucked up at the government trough in the Iraq invasion, telling us what a great bunch of shitbreathers you are, pay the fucking bill, don't saddle the government and people with your debt .  Be a fuckin man, and get yourself a sack. 

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you ain't no John Galt. 

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If I want any lip off of you, I will scrape it off my zipper.  Go over in the corner by your dish and lay down.

But first, pay your bills you fuckin deadbeat.

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You are making up even more crap than the partisans are.

Europe has appropriate taxation (except for Greece and Portugal, who have barn-sized tax loopholes), more unions, better maternity/paternity benefits, better basic education, as proven by the scores, far better public transportation, far more cost effective health care systems, far lower incarceration rate, ... the list goes on. They're still in business, even if currently suffering from the result of deregulation frenzy that transpired in the US. Even after that, their economic and social statistics have them at the top, as the stats for the US align us with Mexico, Turkey, etc.

Here's the news; some countries think that is incumbent on businesses to actually be of use to its own citizens, to society. Then there are countries with a third world mentality, who make every effort to that end, such as the US.