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Mitt Romney: Cayman Islands Accounts Used By Foreign In... - 7/18/2012 8:29:15 PM   
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Bain has 138 such accounts.

"The so-called offshore account in the Cayman Islands, for instance, is an account established by a U.S. firm to allow foreign investors to invest in U.S. enterprises and not be subject to taxes outside of their own jurisdiction," Romney said. "So in many instances, the investments in something of that nature are brought back into the United States. The world of finance is not as simple as some would have you believe. Sometimes a foreign entity is formed to allow foreign investors to invest in the United States, which may well be the case with the entities that Democrats are describing as foreign accounts."

By taxes "outside of their own jurisdiction," Romney is referring to taxes imposed by the U.S. government.

"He's basically admitting here that the Bain funds are set up in the Cayman Islands to help people avoid tax," said Rebecca Wilkins, senior counsel for federal tax policy at Citizens for Tax Justice, a nonprofit tax reform group. "If you want to cheat on your taxes, boy, they're making it really easy."

Since the Cayman Islands do not report information on their investors' accounts to other nations, however, such sub-companies don't merely help foreign investors avoid U.S. taxes, they help investors avoid paying taxes in other nations, as well. The ploy can even help American taxpayers invest in U.S. companies without accruing a tax bill with the IRS. By establishing personal offshore entities, Americans can pose as foreign investors and avoid paying U.S. taxes on investments in American firms.

"Even a U.S. investor pretending to be a foreign investor, by using a Bermuda or Cayman Islands shell entity, can avoid U.S. tax this way," Wilkins told HuffPost. "And we know that's going on. We know that U.S. investors are evading taxes by pretending to be foreigners."

Offshore entities have other, perfectly legal, tax benefits for wealthy Americans.

"There are rules in the internal revenue code on deductions, where you don't incur them, your Caymans entity does, and you can reduce your tax bill," said New York University School of Law professor Daniel Shaviro.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/18/mitt-romney-cayman-islands_n_1683891.html

Seriously.. wtf?

This is ok?

Can any conservative, honestly, on these boards, defend this when our economy, and the economies of the globe, are in the toilet?

I really want someone to defend this.... because.. if not.... this looks really fucking bad.

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RE: Mitt Romney: Cayman Islands Accounts Used By Foreig... - 7/18/2012 8:49:25 PM   
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Seriously.. wtf?
This is ok?
Can any conservative, honestly, on these boards, defend this when our economy, and the economies of the globe, are in the toilet?
I really want someone to defend this.... because.. if not.... this looks really fucking bad.


So, what you are saying that is that if these people would have been taxed on these accounts, the US economy (and economies of other countries) would be better?!? How does that compute? Oh, yeah. It doesn't.

I'm not supporting the ability to off-shore savings. I'm not knocking it, either. It is an unintended consequence of the tax rates being what they are. The wealthy are knocked for being rich. They are knocked for not "paying their fair share." They are being knocked for being successful. Te entrepreneurs are being told they didn't build their business or their products. There has to be some point where liberals start to scratch their heads and wonder why people off-shore money....

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RE: Mitt Romney: Cayman Islands Accounts Used By Foreig... - 7/18/2012 11:54:21 PM   
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Liberals know why people off shore money. To hide it from their legitimate and democratically decided taxes. IOW the wealthy have decided to not support the government that made their wealth possible. Anyone caught pulling this crap should face seizure of every asset and a real long jail term, say triple what you can expect for armed robbery.

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RE: Mitt Romney: Cayman Islands Accounts Used By Foreig... - 7/19/2012 12:06:26 AM   
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Liberals know why people off shore money. To hide it from their legitimate and democratically decided taxes. IOW the wealthy have decided to not support the government that made their wealth possible. Anyone caught pulling this crap should face seizure of every asset and a real long jail term, say triple what you can expect for armed robbery.


OR the government can choose to keep their greedy fucking paws off of the citizen's money.

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RE: Mitt Romney: Cayman Islands Accounts Used By Foreig... - 7/19/2012 12:42:42 AM   
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Liberals know why people off shore money. To hide it from their legitimate and democratically decided taxes. IOW the wealthy have decided to not support the government that made their wealth possible. Anyone caught pulling this crap should face seizure of every asset and a real long jail term, say triple what you can expect for armed robbery.

OR the government can choose to keep their greedy fucking paws off of the citizen's money.


That would be the same goverment that had people voting other people into public office who then voted on the bill containing information to how and in what manner Americans (than and now) would be taxed? You forget that in the United States there is not a dictator saying what happens. Its citizens voting for some popular person to decide how laws are created and put into effect. And than if people disagree with it once its a law, they can sue the goverment to place the issue into the courts. If the matter is upheld agaisnt thw wishs of the one suing, the law stays in effect.


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RE: Mitt Romney: Cayman Islands Accounts Used By Foreig... - 7/19/2012 12:43:47 AM   
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Hey, it's a legitimate tax dodge! Which means, "We have been doing this all along and the saps paying taxes haven't make enough stink for the Congress to go after us." I'd be pretty interested to see the list of Congressmen who have financial interests in off-shore book-keeping?
The rich paper shuffling scammers (Bain and such) are the main beneficiaries of the relatively free financial market, but when asked to pay a reasonable share of keeping the country running, they claim it will ruin the system if they carry their weight.
Sadly, the real producers are the $100 to $250 thousand a year income business owners and professionals who pay both the largest percentage of income in taxes and the biggest segment of the US tax income. And the maroons vote Republican! Every one with Real money has tax lawyers and accountants to find all the off-shoring and other dodges that keep their taxes below the percentage a good wage earner pays. The financial manipulators are laughing all the way to whichever of their many homes they are staying in this weekend.

I think the official corporate and financial market apology for all this is that: "We are just working under the same laws and tax code everyone else is that Congress set up. (And let us pay for their re-elections so we could come in and write the laws and tax code the way we wanted it.)

Remember when teachers, public employees, Planned Parenthood, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401Ks, took billions in taxpayer funded bail outs, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes? Yeah, me neither. . . Pass it on.

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RE: Mitt Romney: Cayman Islands Accounts Used By Foreig... - 7/19/2012 4:11:13 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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Seriously.. wtf?
This is ok?
Can any conservative, honestly, on these boards, defend this when our economy, and the economies of the globe, are in the toilet?
I really want someone to defend this.... because.. if not.... this looks really fucking bad.


So, what you are saying that is that if these people would have been taxed on these accounts, the US economy (and economies of other countries) would be better?!? How does that compute? Oh, yeah. It doesn't.

I'm not supporting the ability to off-shore savings. I'm not knocking it, either. It is an unintended consequence of the tax rates being what they are. The wealthy are knocked for being rich. They are knocked for not "paying their fair share." They are being knocked for being successful. Te entrepreneurs are being told they didn't build their business or their products. There has to be some point where liberals start to scratch their heads and wonder why people off-shore money....




Ummmm no......


But our deficit wouldn`t be as big or there at all.




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RE: Mitt Romney: Cayman Islands Accounts Used By Foreig... - 7/19/2012 4:15:26 AM   
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quote:

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quote:

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Liberals know why people off shore money. To hide it from their legitimate and democratically decided taxes. IOW the wealthy have decided to not support the government that made their wealth possible. Anyone caught pulling this crap should face seizure of every asset and a real long jail term, say triple what you can expect for armed robbery.


OR the government can choose to keep their greedy fucking paws off of the citizen's money.



And make the middle class......pay the difference.......


Could you cons NOT be so fucking helpful to the fucks who are fucking the middle class......?




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RE: Mitt Romney: Cayman Islands Accounts Used By Foreig... - 7/19/2012 4:24:52 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Seriously.. wtf?
This is ok?
Can any conservative, honestly, on these boards, defend this when our economy, and the economies of the globe, are in the toilet?
I really want someone to defend this.... because.. if not.... this looks really fucking bad.


So, what you are saying that is that if these people would have been taxed on these accounts, the US economy (and economies of other countries) would be better?!? How does that compute? Oh, yeah. It doesn't.

I'm not supporting the ability to off-shore savings. I'm not knocking it, either. It is an unintended consequence of the tax rates being what they are. The wealthy are knocked for being rich. They are knocked for not "paying their fair share." They are being knocked for being successful. Te entrepreneurs are being told they didn't build their business or their products. There has to be some point where liberals start to scratch their heads and wonder why people off-shore money....


So it isn't an act of treason to deliberately withold these funds from our gov't when we are actively engaged in two wars? Every definition I ever read included helping the enemy. This is certainly helping the enemy.

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RE: Mitt Romney: Cayman Islands Accounts Used By Foreig... - 7/19/2012 4:48:11 AM   
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OR the government can choose to keep their greedy fucking paws off of the citizen's money.


Waiting to hear your funding plans to replace this.

Republicans think money magically appears. It doesn't.

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RE: Mitt Romney: Cayman Islands Accounts Used By Foreig... - 7/19/2012 5:23:26 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Seriously.. wtf?
This is ok?
Can any conservative, honestly, on these boards, defend this when our economy, and the economies of the globe, are in the toilet?
I really want someone to defend this.... because.. if not.... this looks really fucking bad.


So, what you are saying that is that if these people would have been taxed on these accounts, the US economy (and economies of other countries) would be better?!? How does that compute? Oh, yeah. It doesn't.

Where does the US economy get it's revenue from if not from taxes, then?

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RE: Mitt Romney: Cayman Islands Accounts Used By Foreig... - 7/19/2012 8:11:41 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967


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Liberals know why people off shore money. To hide it from their legitimate and democratically decided taxes. IOW the wealthy have decided to not support the government that made their wealth possible. Anyone caught pulling this crap should face seizure of every asset and a real long jail term, say triple what you can expect for armed robbery.


OR the government can choose to keep their greedy fucking paws off of the citizen's money.


You dont want to pay dues to the union that insures that your pay check is what it is.
You do not want to pay taxes to support the roads you drive on or the soldiers who secure the fuel for the car you drive on that road.
That seems to be the dictionary definition of parasite.
How do you see it?


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RE: Mitt Romney: Cayman Islands Accounts Used By Foreig... - 7/19/2012 8:20:13 AM   
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and why?????

Maybe because of the GOP.................it seems they bhave a long history of attacking people for information (Willard is whining about being asked for his tax returns by the DEMss....)

as The Daily Show explained, or showed the video clips of where they got the idea......


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/19/jon-stewart-romney-tax-returns-hypocrisy-video_n_1685945.html




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RE: Mitt Romney: Cayman Islands Accounts Used By Foreig... - 7/19/2012 8:27:39 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Seriously.. wtf?
This is ok?
Can any conservative, honestly, on these boards, defend this when our economy, and the economies of the globe, are in the toilet?
I really want someone to defend this.... because.. if not.... this looks really fucking bad.


quote:

So, what you are saying that is that if these people would have been taxed on these accounts, the US economy (and economies of other countries) would be better?!? How does that compute? Oh, yeah. It doesn't.


Is it your position that if a country's treasury has more money in it that their economy is not affected?

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I'm not supporting the ability to off-shore savings. I'm not knocking it, either. It is an unintended consequence of the tax rates being what they are.

The rules that control the "off shore" scam were written by the same people who wrote the tax rates you are sniveling about. Why is it that you cannot see that the law is written so that the wealthy have access to the "off shore" scam and the not wealthy do not.

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The wealthy are knocked for being rich.


This is disingenuous bullshit and you know it. The rich are not "knocked" for being rich. The rich are "knoked " for being disingenuous parasites who suck the life blood out of the not rich.

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They are knocked for not "paying their fair share."


And this bothers you for what reason? Your sig line speaks directly to "personal responsibility" Are not the rich required to be personaly responsible?

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They are being knocked for being successful.


Once again you post an outright lie. Show us where any rich person is being "knocked" for being successful...often there is criticism when that success is the result of fraud as with bill gates, colusion as with adm/cargill etc.

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Te entrepreneurs are being told they didn't build their business or their products.


You clearly did not read all of the president's speech. You wish,for your own reasons, to pick sentance fragments to complane about.
Were you born with the knowledge of math and language or were you taught it by someone?
Tell us of all the businesses that were started from whole cloth with no help from the government???that government being the one instituted and maintained by those who are governed.


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There has to be some point where liberals start to scratch their heads and wonder why people off-shore money....


You suffer from the illusion that there is some sort of difference between demopubs/liberals and republicrats/conservatives.

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RE: Mitt Romney: Cayman Islands Accounts Used By Foreig... - 7/19/2012 8:52:39 AM   
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Liberals know why people off shore money. To hide it from their legitimate and democratically decided taxes. IOW the wealthy have decided to not support the government that made their wealth possible. Anyone caught pulling this crap should face seizure of every asset and a real long jail term, say triple what you can expect for armed robbery.


OR the government can choose to keep their greedy fucking paws off of the citizen's money.

Win some elections or win some court cases and that could happen. Till then the scum are breaking the law and deserve no better than those who steal by putting a gun in someones face.

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RE: Mitt Romney: Cayman Islands Accounts Used By Foreig... - 7/19/2012 11:04:28 AM   
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The rich are rich because they provide a product or service their customers find beneficial or they would not buy that product or service. The rich provide a service, the customer buys and is satisfied. Each helps each other. win/win Obama's vision is: the rich should take a chance on losing everything, spend long hours working, so they can provide tax income to keep the "unlucky" (Obama thinks success is being lucky) fairly comfortable.

This bullshit about the roads, public utilities, airports, and all the infrastructure. Does Obama think they only benefit the rich? What about the roughly 50% who use all these improvements and don't pay shit in taxes! What is their fair share? Is Obama as concerned that a lot of them feel cigs, booze and drugs come first? Look up the word, "enabler." How many of the bleeding hearts are enablers?



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RE: Mitt Romney: Cayman Islands Accounts Used By Foreig... - 7/19/2012 11:09:31 AM   
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The rich are rich because they provide a product or service their customers find beneficial or they would not buy that product or service.

Quite. It isn't like Prince Charles would have all that money if he hadn't earned it.
That shitawful children's book he published must have done really well if he was earning so much from that they had to take him off the civil list and confiscated the huge tracts of land he owns...

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RE: Mitt Romney: Cayman Islands Accounts Used By Foreig... - 7/19/2012 11:12:10 AM   
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The rich are rich because they provide a product or service their customers find beneficial or they would not buy that product or service. The rich provide a service, the customer buys and is satisfied. Each helps each other. win/win Obama's vision is: the rich should take a chance on losing everything, spend long hours working, so they can provide tax income to keep the "unlucky" (Obama thinks success is being lucky) fairly comfortable.

This bullshit about the roads, public utilities, airports, and all the infrastructure. Does Obama think they only benefit the rich? What about the roughly 50% who use all these improvements and don't pay shit in taxes! What is their fair share? Is Obama as concerned that a lot of them feel cigs, booze and drugs come first? Look up the word, "enabler." How many of the bleeding hearts are enablers?




I just love your progressive attitude towards those who are a bit less fortunate than others....I bet they build a statue of you in your town square!....I can see it now....a Large Bronze Horse....your head firmly planted in it's ass....

To say that 50% of the people do not pay taxes is absolutely incorrect, do they pay sales tax? taxes on services? taxes for roads?(obviously they must own cars or they couldn't use a highway) Do those who earn less, pay payroll taxes? Do they pay state taxes? if they own a home, do they pay property taxes?....could you be any less cogent in your thought, or would that be too big a chore for you? "What a Maroon".....Bugs Bunny

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RE: Mitt Romney: Cayman Islands Accounts Used By Foreig... - 7/19/2012 11:14:32 AM   
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quote:

This bullshit about the roads, public utilities, airports, and all the infrastructure. Does Obama think they only benefit the rich? What about the roughly 50% who use all these improvements and don't pay shit in taxes! What is their fair share? Is Obama as concerned that a lot of them feel cigs, booze and drugs come first? Look up the word, "enabler." How many of the bleeding hearts are enablers?


What taxes dont they pay?

Income taxes? Thats about it... they pay real estate taxes.. even renters do through their rent amounts... they pay gas tax.. they pay excise tax.. they pay any luxury tax they may accure.

Cids, booze, even presription drugs come with a tax.

As far as drugs... how many tested positive in Florida? Then get back to me on that "drug use" as a rampant problem.



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RE: Mitt Romney: Cayman Islands Accounts Used By Foreig... - 7/19/2012 11:14:56 AM   
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what is the primary reason those people who dont pay federal taxes DONT pay ?

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