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Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 7/19/2012 4:18:49 PM   
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We all see the attraction that exists between the evengelicals and the right. Yet it seems as the more traditional protestant religious sects move more leftward they seem to dying off.

Is christianity and leftist thinking just incompatible? or is it something else?
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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 7/19/2012 4:23:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Liberalism and some forms of Christianity.........maybe not......as well..... not w/ some forms of Islam and Judaism.


But Liberalism and religion in general.......of course.


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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 7/19/2012 5:08:29 PM   
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Is christianity and leftist thinking just incompatible? or is it something else?


How do you define "leftist thinking?" Social? Economic? Gender based, as the article seems to suggest? What?

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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 7/19/2012 5:10:29 PM   
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When you want to ask a question to those who consider themselves a person of faith, I'll try to help.



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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 7/19/2012 5:12:20 PM   
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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 7/19/2012 7:11:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Personally, I think most Americans have a mixture of these two philosophies in their personalities. It's just that we differ on the things we can be liberal about and the things we're faithful about. If you ask your friends how they feel about one subject or another you'll eventually get a liberal answer on one thing and a faith based answer on another. They aren't mutually exclusive. I think what seperates us the most from each other is the politicians pandering for votes. They're the ones that convince us we have to choose one side or the other. Unfortunately, many of us are stupid enough to believe it. Instead of thinking for ourselves and voting for the person we would really prefer, we allow ourselves to believe we have to follow the "system" and pick between the "lesser of two evils" and we're disappointed time after time.

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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 7/19/2012 7:14:04 PM   
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Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together?

If I were going to answer that, I'd want to know your definition of the two terms first. Then I can tell you if they're compatible or not :)

EDIT: Not that everybody uses Wikipedia to define things (I'd rather hear from the person asking the question what his/her definitions are), but this is what came up for Liberalism:

"Liberalism is a worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality. Liberals generally support ideas such as capitalism, constitutionalism, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights and the free exercise of religion."


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Not sure. Probably can't help.


Generally, this is where most people realize "I don't need to post in this thread. In fact, I should definitely NOT post anything in this thread, because I'll just be making it harder for everybody else to smoothly follow the conversation. If everybody posted 'I don't need to post here' in every thread, the website would be unusable."

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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 7/19/2012 7:45:47 PM   
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Love thy neighbor as thyself?

Naw. Liberal bullshit like that is incompatible with religion.


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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 7/19/2012 8:22:16 PM   
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Christians can be liberals, moderates or conservatives!


I am a liberal and a christian.

Here is an interesting blog, written by a christian liberal.

Proud liberal christian

Here is a cute question to ponder, If Jesus Christ came back tomorrow and decided to vote, would he be a liberal or a conservative?



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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 7/19/2012 8:29:39 PM   
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We haven't had a good one in a few weeks.

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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 7/19/2012 8:48:06 PM   
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The answer would be of course.

Christians can be liberals, moderates or conservatives!


I am a liberal and a christian.

Here is an interesting blog, written by a christian liberal.

Proud liberal christian

Here is a cute question to ponder, If Jesus Christ came back tomorrow and decided to vote, would he be a liberal or a conservative?



Im not an organised religion person, however, I do believe in in the message Christ sought to share, which seems to get lost by fundies, .. so this is my entry...






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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 7/19/2012 8:49:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Liberalism and religion, particularly Christianity, have already been hugely successful together.

It's highly unlikely that the United States, for example, would have a Civil Rights Act, or the large advances that came with it, without Dr Martin Luther King, and the church groups who made up the biggest single part of his movement. King was very explicit about the fact that his work was completely motivated by the requirements of his faith, and reminded people of that regularly. It's not for nothing that so many churches were burned by opponents of the Civil Rights Movement.

Was there a bigger political accomplishment in the US over the last century?

There's plenty of evidence to show that Catholics have been a big driver of progressive social policy, both in the US and elsewhere. The most liberal attitudes on social issues are found in Catholic Ireland, according to a number of sociological studies. More recent studies have demonstrated that rank and file Catholics are more likely to support gay marriage that the rest of the US population.

What's a tragedy is that in the United States, the incoherent melding of the right and fundamentalism have dominated the headlines, and social policy, but that doesn't undo the obligations toward their neighbours that most religions impose on the faithful, or the overwhelming evidence of what those obligations have produced.

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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 7/19/2012 8:56:40 PM   
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"McBride"-- Thank you for such a well written and well thought out response!



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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 7/19/2012 8:58:51 PM   
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Truly a very brave and very daring man who put his credibility,his body and ultimately his life on the line.


We should also consider that liberalism and progressive ideas are more and more becoming the norm,ie. gay rights,equal pay,race re;ations,etc......all on their own.

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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 7/19/2012 9:19:13 PM   
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Jesus was a radical liberal who bucked the conservative elite and was killed for his trouble.


After riding into Jerusalem on a donkey.

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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 7/19/2012 10:06:02 PM   
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And thank you for the kind words, Marini. It's just my keen grasp of the obvious. :)

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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 7/20/2012 6:53:21 AM   
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Is christianity and leftist thinking just incompatible? or is it something else?


Jesus was a communist. His teachings on the individuals responsibility to his community are only compatible with conservatism to the extent that one uses conservative propaganda to ignore the teachings of Jesus.



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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 7/20/2012 7:08:20 AM   
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More recent studies have demonstrated that rank and file Catholics are more likely to support gay marriage that the rest of the US population.


Rank and file, yes. However, institutional Catholicism remains an oppressive bastion of conservatism. Vatican II has been snuffed. Liberation Theology in Latin America snuffed. Liberal nuns in America slapped.

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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 7/20/2012 7:10:37 AM   
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More recent studies have demonstrated that rank and file Catholics are more likely to support gay marriage that the rest of the US population.


Rank and file, yes. However, institutional Catholicism remains an oppressive bastion of conservatism. Vatican II has been snuffed. Liberation Theology in Latin America snuffed. Liberal nuns in America slapped.

It's truly a shame that those who live their lives most in the tradition of Christ are being shouted down and censured by their leaders.

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RE: Can Liberalism and Religion be successful together? - 7/20/2012 7:15:14 AM   
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More recent studies have demonstrated that rank and file Catholics are more likely to support gay marriage that the rest of the US population.


Rank and file, yes. However, institutional Catholicism remains an oppressive bastion of conservatism. Vatican II has been snuffed. Liberation Theology in Latin America snuffed. Liberal nuns in America slapped.

It's truly a shame that those who live their lives most in the tradition of Christ are being shouted down and censured by their leaders.


Agreed, Hill. Forgot to also mention the institutional shielding of pedo-priests.

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