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RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? - 7/21/2012 3:14:48 PM   
Musicmystery


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First, it's 2008. Second, it doesn't sort out gun use. Third, it doesn't compare us to nations with differing gun laws.

Irrelevant in every way.

And yes, given your history, I don't rush to read your links. This one didn't help that assessment.

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RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? - 7/21/2012 3:45:54 PM   
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So the percentages for crimes involving guns in your country exactly matches the percentages in these pussified nanny states the rest of us live in where there's gun control, then?

And are you going to tell me it was English gun laws that put an end to IRA violence?l

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RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? - 7/21/2012 3:46:43 PM   
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You certainly did Peon,and you did it quite well,the thread is now locked by the mods,apparently in reaction to "some posters" who were totally unable to separate the dead from the issue at hand.
Proud to have been one of those un-named posters.
How ridiculous is it to think that we can discuss so many victims without touching on the root cause


Well, a new thread has just been started, and 'all politics is banned in it'. Apparently I wasted my breath. Still, it'll be interesting to see how politics is and is not defined in that thread. How ridiculous.

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RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? - 7/21/2012 3:46:55 PM   
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RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? - 7/21/2012 3:53:49 PM   
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You also have a lot more spree killings involving guns than we do.
Can you cite an example of one in the UK that's happened since the gun control laws were tightened, come to that? You're going back twenty years to Dunblane, and if they'd tightened those up after the similar mess in Hungerford, then that one wouldn't have happened. There's certainly been nothing like it since.
And of course, neither of those incidents chalked up as big a body count as the idiot who was overfond of Heath Ledger did a couple of days back.

Unfortunatly I can't give you a post but when after Colimbine we were being told that if we just had laws like England some nutcase walked into a grade school in England and killed 22 kids. Horrible and inexcusable but it happened. And at the time England had much tighter gun laws than we do. And we all about the neo-facist in Norway who in spite of all the gun laws they have killed 60 people.
Here shooting sprees take place in gun free zones there you have a whole continent that is allegedly gun free. I don't think everyone should have a gun but those people shouldn't have matches steak knives or cars either.

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RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? - 7/21/2012 3:56:57 PM   
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RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? - 7/21/2012 3:57:14 PM   
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Now you're going to conflate terrorist organizations with gun control laws?



No but you would think that if they could keep bad guys from getting guns the IRA would have been at the top of the list wouldn't you. Maybe if they had been more concerned with terrorists getting weapons instead of being obsesed with Joe Blow getting them they might have been more successful protecting people.

If you are going to say something about one of my posts you need to give me a clue as to which one you mean this time you did but most often I get the impression you just want to tell us how much smarter you are without risk of rebutal

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RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? - 7/21/2012 3:59:30 PM   
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RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? - 7/21/2012 4:16:45 PM   
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You also have a lot more spree killings involving guns than we do.
Can you cite an example of one in the UK that's happened since the gun control laws were tightened, come to that? You're going back twenty years to Dunblane, and if they'd tightened those up after the similar mess in Hungerford, then that one wouldn't have happened. There's certainly been nothing like it since.
And of course, neither of those incidents chalked up as big a body count as the idiot who was overfond of Heath Ledger did a couple of days back.

Unfortunatly I can't give you a post but when after Colimbine we were being told that if we just had laws like England some nutcase walked into a grade school in England and killed 22 kids. Horrible and inexcusable but it happened. And at the time England had much tighter gun laws than we do. And we all about the neo-facist in Norway who in spite of all the gun laws they have killed 60 people.
Here shooting sprees take place in gun free zones there you have a whole continent that is allegedly gun free. I don't think everyone should have a gun but those people shouldn't have matches steak knives or cars either.



Hmmmm
Hungerford happened in 87 16 dead
weapons used,
Type 56 assault rifle
M1 carbine
Beretta 92FS

Dunblane was in 96 and 17 were killed using 2 9mm Browning HP pistols,
2 Smith & Wesson M19 .357 Magnum revolvers
Public debate subsequent to these events centred on gun-control laws, including media-driven public petitions calling for a ban on private ownership of handguns and an official enquiry, the Cullen Report. In response to this debate, the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997 and the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997 were enacted, which effectively made private ownership of handguns illegal in the United Kingdom. AFTER, the event not before
Cumbria, 2010, 13 dead, items used were shotgun and a 22 rifle, over an area of 30 different crime scenes in a 15 mile stretch investigated,by police
not handguns or semi autos.
Please check your sources

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RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? - 7/21/2012 4:19:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, except that Joe Blow's guns killed vastly larger numbers of people than the terrorist organization managed.

Over its 30 year armed campaign, the IRA caused the deaths of approximately 1,800 people, including around 1,100 members of the British security forces, and about 630 civilians.

In one year alone, 2007, Joe's guns caused 12,632 homicides, and 17,352 suicides.

Oh, and Joe's guns were killing Americans.

If only they'd be more obsessed with Joe Blow, about two thirds of those American men, women, and children might be alive today.

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RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? - 7/21/2012 5:28:10 PM   
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'Safety' is the latest gambit, that if we don't protect ourselves, no one will. Certainly not the dwindling police forces.

Perhaps the USA can hire some Afghan troops? I suspect that they are real cheap. Even if the USA replaces its entire police force with ten times as many Afghan troops, they might very well still save half of their normal expenditure on their police force.

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RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? - 7/21/2012 6:30:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well we can all argue about what happen, brag about what type of guns we have, accuse each other of everything under the sun and then some. show reports of all kinds to prove out points, talk about the need or or what ever about gun control, etc etc. However nothing is going to change what happen 12 people are dead and some 59 wounded, the ages between something like 5 and 51, one person was in an adcanted theather. But if all of really want to see some change, then think of this


“We are all of us born in moral stupidity, taking the world as an udder to feed our supreme selves” ― George Eliot

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RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? - 7/21/2012 8:33:42 PM   
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If the nutcase would have blocked the exits and started a fire he could have killed damn near everyone in the theater.


If some one is bent on mass murder there are numerous ways to carry it out that are a whole lot more efficient than a bunch of guns.

Gun control won't stop idiots from commiting mass murder. Even if they are outlawed or ban whatever idiots and thugs will still get their hands on them.

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RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? - 7/21/2012 8:37:37 PM   
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Drunk driving is illegal ...so now only drunks get to drive while drinking...what a revolting development

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RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? - 7/21/2012 8:44:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		If that was directed at my post Mike I'm scratching my head. What's the point ?

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RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? - 7/21/2012 9:05:57 PM   
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Troughers? Pls to essplain?

And...am I to understand that some of you think that our first person shooter gun culture is a GOOD thing, and it's all sparkly here because of it?


this is a trougher.... LOL



They feed at the public trough push trougher agendas and are psychopathic loons.



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RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? - 7/21/2012 9:13:07 PM   
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If that was directed at my post Mike I'm scratching my head. What's the point ?

Keep scratching,it just might come to you...and yeah,it was directed at you.

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RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? - 7/21/2012 9:25:00 PM   
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RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? - 7/21/2012 9:35:17 PM   
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If the nutcase would have blocked the exits and started a fire he could have killed damn near everyone in the theater.


If some one is bent on mass murder there are numerous ways to carry it out that are a whole lot more efficient than a bunch of guns.

Gun control won't stop idiots from commiting mass murder. Even if they are outlawed or ban whatever idiots and thugs will still get their hands on them.

As you pointed out, mass murder wasn't the ultimate point--better and easier ways to do.

Having a shootout was the point. And for that, you need guns.

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RE: Gun Control Saving or Costing Lives? - 7/21/2012 9:37:31 PM   
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If that was directed at my post Mike I'm scratching my head. What's the point ?

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