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kalikshama -> Penn State failures draw unprecedented NCAA sanctions (7/23/2012 11:45:34 AM)

After I heard this story on NPR I did a little googling and it doesn't seem like anyone is happy with the sanctions, with reactions ranging from too lenient, too harsh to not relevant to the crime. What do y'all think?

http://ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/20120723/21207231

By perpetuating a "football first" culture that ultimately enabled serial child sexual abuse to occur, The Pennsylvania State University leadership failed to value and uphold institutional integrity, resulting in a breach of the NCAA constitution and rules. The NCAA Division I Board of Directors and NCAA Executive Committee directed Association President Mark Emmert to examine the circumstances and determine appropriate action in consultation with these presidential bodies.

"As we evaluated the situation, the victims affected by Jerry Sandusky and the efforts by many to conceal his crimes informed our actions," said Emmert. "At our core, we are educators. Penn State leadership lost sight of that."

According to the NCAA conclusions and sanctions, the Freeh Report "presents an unprecedented failure of institutional integrity leading to a culture in which a football program was held in higher esteem than the values of the institution, the values of the NCAA, the values of higher education, and most disturbingly the values of human decency."

As a result, the NCAA imposed a $60 million sanction on the university, which is equivalent to the average gross annual revenue of the football program. These funds must be paid into an endowment for external programs preventing child sexual abuse or assisting victims and may not be used to fund such programs at the university.

The sanctions also include a four-year football postseason ban and a vacation of all wins from 1998 through 2011. The career record of former head football coach Joe Paterno will reflect these vacated records. Penn State must also reduce 10 initial and 20 total scholarships each year for a four-year period. In addition, the NCAA reserves the right to impose additional sanctions on involved individuals at the conclusion of any criminal proceedings.

The NCAA recognizes that student-athletes are not responsible for these events and worked to minimize the impact of its sanctions on current and incoming football student-athletes. Any entering or returning student-athlete will be allowed to immediately transfer and compete at another school. Further, any football student-athletes who remain at the university may retain their scholarships, regardless of whether they compete on the team.

To further integrate the athletics department into the university, Penn State will be required to enter into an "Athletics Integrity Agreement" with the NCAA. It also must adopt all Freeh Report recommendations and appoint an independent, NCAA-selected Athletics Integrity Monitor, who will oversee compliance with the agreement.

Effective immediately, the university faces five years of probation. Specifically, the university is subject to more severe penalties if it does not adhere to these requirements or violates NCAA rules in any sport during this time period.

"There has been much speculation on whether or not the NCAA has the authority to impose any type of penalty related to Penn State," said Ed Ray, Executive Committee chair and Oregon State president. "This egregious behavior not only goes against our rules and constitution, but also against our values."

Because Penn State accepted the Freeh Report factual findings, which the university itself commissioned, the NCAA determined traditional investigative proceedings would be redundant and unnecessary.

"We cannot look to NCAA history to determine how to handle circumstances so disturbing, shocking and disappointing," said Emmert. "As the individuals charged with governing college sports, we have a responsibility to act. These events should serve as a call to every single school and athletics department to take an honest look at its campus environment and eradicate the 'sports are king' mindset that can so dramatically cloud the judgment of educators."

Penn State fully cooperated with the NCAA on this examination of the issues and took decisive action in removing individuals in leadership who were culpable.

"The actions already taken by the new Penn State Board of Trustees chair Karen Peetz and Penn State President Rodney Erickson have demonstrated a strong desire and determination to take the steps necessary for Penn State to right these severe wrongs," said Emmert.





kalikshama -> RE: Penn State failures draw unprecedented NCAA sanctions (7/23/2012 11:48:27 AM)

NCAA hammers Penn State with sanctions; Paterno family calls it 'panicked response'

...This afternoon, the Paterno family released a statement condemning the sanctions. It read, in part: "The NCAA has now become the latest party to accept the (Freeh) report as the final word on the Sandusky scandal. The sanctions announced by the NCAA today defame the legacy and contributions of a great coach and educator without any input from our family or those who knew him best.

"That the President, the Athletic Director and the Board of Trustees accepted this unprecedented action by the NCAA without requiring a full due process hearing before the Committee on Infractions is an abdication of their responsibilities and a breach of their fiduciary duties to the University and the 500,000 alumni. Punishing past, present and future students of the University because of Sandusky’s crimes does not serve justice. This is not a fair or thoughtful action; it is a panicked response to the public’s understandable revulsion at what Sandusky did.

"The point of due process is to protect against this sort of reflexive action. Joe Paterno was never interviewed by the University or the Freeh Group. His counsel has not been able to interview key witnesses as they are represented by counsel related to ongoing litigation. We have had no access to the records reviewed by the Freeh group. The NCAA never contacted our family or our legal counsel. And the fact that several parties have pending trials that could produce evidence and testimony relevant to this matter has been totally discounted.

"Unfortunately all of these facts have been ignored by the NCAA, the Freeh Group and the University."

Read more: http://www.freep.com/article/20120723/SPORTS08/120723013/penn-state-ncaa-sanctions




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Penn State failures draw unprecedented NCAA sanctions (7/23/2012 12:01:11 PM)

I am not sure *what* the appropriate action would be. That the football department be sanctioned, okay... but really, can't the coverup be tracked down to specific people, some conveniently deceased? Did the boys who played football in good faith all those years have anything to do with it?





OneKinkyArtist -> RE: Penn State failures draw unprecedented NCAA sanctions (7/23/2012 12:05:23 PM)

I feel there is nothing that can truthfully be done to right those wrongs. Coach Paterno is dead and the regime that was over Penn State during those years is virtually gone. Im lost as to what can be done in 2012. I feel they should leave well enough alone




DomKen -> RE: Penn State failures draw unprecedented NCAA sanctions (7/23/2012 1:34:13 PM)

I'm not at a loss.

Penn State should have received the "death penalty" for at least the next 10 years. Wipe the program out root and branch. Let the present generation of alums move on and then when everyone associated with allowing the abuse of boys is long gone then maybe Penn St. might be ready to have a football team again.




kdsub -> RE: Penn State failures draw unprecedented NCAA sanctions (7/23/2012 3:20:20 PM)

To me the sanctions are wrong.

I am all for every administrator and football program employee be purged if found even vaguely culpable to the crimes...but that’s it.

The young men and women who played sports in good faith should not be punished now or in the future.

Remember where a good portion of the proceeds for football go...some to other less profitable sports on campus and to the facilities and staff.

Now with the 60 million fine where do you think the school will get the money to support these endeavors? From tuition of course the only other source of income outside of the state legislature. .. This will make getting an education for the 44,000 or so students in the top 15 University in the US more expensive…why

Lets punish those responsible not the students who had and will have nothing to do with this tragedy.

Butch




kalikshama -> RE: Penn State failures draw unprecedented NCAA sanctions (7/23/2012 3:45:08 PM)

http://www.freep.com/article/20120723/SPORTS08/120723013/penn-state-ncaa-sanctions

“Football will never again be placed ahead of educating, nurturing and protecting young people,” Emmert said.

Emmert had earlier said he had “never seen anything as egregious” as the horrific crimes of Sandusky and the cover-up by Paterno and others at the university, including former Penn State President Graham Spanier and athletic director Tim Curley.

The investigation headed by former FBI Director Louis Freeh said that Penn State officials kept what they knew from police and other authorities for years, enabling the abuse to go on.




kdsub -> RE: Penn State failures draw unprecedented NCAA sanctions (7/23/2012 5:04:59 PM)

quote:

never seen anything as egregious

quote:

Penn State officials kept what they knew from police and other authorities for years


I agree...lets punish them...clean every last one of them from the school...take their pensions give them jail time if appropriate and sue them to hell.

Think about it...if every administrator...every employee of the athletic staff...every lawyer and alumnae that was involved is fired or removed then why should the students...athletes...and the children of Pennsylvania wanting to attend the school in the future be punished?

Make them set up programs to take care of the abused children and families as well as a program to help those suffering the trauma child abuse in the future...but don't take away their ability to pay for these programs for no good purpose other than punishment with no redemption.

Butch




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Penn State failures draw unprecedented NCAA sanctions (7/23/2012 5:08:37 PM)

I agree, Butch, the sanctions are very general, and are hurting the innocent.




TheHeretic -> RE: Penn State failures draw unprecedented NCAA sanctions (7/23/2012 6:19:17 PM)

There should never be another organized sport played at that school, to the point that freshman from the class of 2116 will get 6 months of suspension for a hackey-sack circle. Burn the stadiums and gyms, plow and salt the earth where they stood. Invalidate the degrees of anyone who EVER attended on athletic scholarships.

I guess that puts me in the, "they didn't go far enough" camp, huh?




servantforuse -> RE: Penn State failures draw unprecedented NCAA sanctions (7/23/2012 7:50:31 PM)

A liberal agreed with me today and I now agree with Domken. Young boys were being raped in those locker rooms and Joe Paterno and the rest of those scumbags covered it up. Louis Freeh is probably the most honest guy in America and the e-mails he uncovered made me sick. Joe should be alive today to watch that pathetic statue being taken down..That would be justice.  




Endivius -> RE: Penn State failures draw unprecedented NCAA sanctions (7/23/2012 9:40:03 PM)

I been discussing this very topic with a user on the otherside for a couple of days now. My opinion on the matter is that it's just smoke and mirrors. Let's be honest here for a minute. The players and coaches not involved in what went on here are being punished for something the Administration and a few key coaching personel were participating in. The problem here is not with the athletic department or the football program. It is with this administration. The people who run things. I have no doubt that boosters and doners money played a large part in the decision by the parties involved to cover up Sanduskies activities. That said, the schools students are the ones being punished here and not the people actually responsible. If the NCAA really wanted to punish the right people there would be some shit rolling uphill instead of down hill. But being that no one who actually cares about the crimes know just how far the corruption or coverup extends, and to what extend the people involved participated, little to nothing will be done to the ones that actually deserve it. I'm not even a Penn fan, but come the fuck on. Punishing the athletic department doesn't fix the problem, hell it doesn't even address the problem. It's a can of worms now matter how you look at it. I don't see a solution that would make everyone satisfied unless the people involved in the cover up got serious prison time and that's just for starters.




littlewonder -> RE: Penn State failures draw unprecedented NCAA sanctions (7/23/2012 11:43:02 PM)

I guess I just can't give much sympathy for the "innocent" children there. I can't give much sympathy to anyone back in that area. This was not an athletic problem but a societal community problem prevalent in that area.




LaTigresse -> RE: Penn State failures draw unprecedented NCAA sanctions (7/24/2012 7:29:18 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

I'm not at a loss.

Penn State should have received the "death penalty" for at least the next 10 years. Wipe the program out root and branch. Let the present generation of alums move on and then when everyone associated with allowing the abuse of boys is long gone then maybe Penn St. might be ready to have a football team again.


That would be my feelings on the matter also. Similarly with what Rich wrote.




MasterJohnSteed -> RE: Penn State failures draw unprecedented NCAA sanctions (7/24/2012 4:32:24 PM)

I am sorry but has anyone ever heard of "The Billy Graham Rule" To ensure no one mistook his actions, Graham had a policy to avoid being alone with any woman other than his wife Ruth. This has come to be known as the Billy Graham Rule.

Why didn't anyone just say to Sandusky or JoePa Look we need to make sure that no one is going to have any questions about our behavior or, as a condition of your employment you are to avoid being alone with any child or woman that is not a family member.

That would have resolved the whole thing. Sandusky could have had a charity, he could have worked with children in full view of others. I mean in my last job and in my current one, if anyone has to talk with you about anything they have another person in the room to document everything that is said. If that is going on in the corporate world why wasn't this a policy at the second mile??? Why would you need to be alone with a child if you are not a doctor or a nurse or a parent?

Same with Micheal Jackson, Why didn't any of these parents say "Hey I have a problem with a 40 year old man wanting to be alone with my child"




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Penn State failures draw unprecedented NCAA sanctions (7/24/2012 5:32:22 PM)

And?




OsideGirl -> RE: Penn State failures draw unprecedented NCAA sanctions (7/24/2012 5:52:43 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub
why should the students...athletes...and the children of Pennsylvania wanting to attend the school in the future be punished?


Or even the past students? They took away all of their football wins from 1998 to 2011. The guys on those teams did nothing wrong and they worked hard for those wins.....only to have their entire college career taken away from them.




slvemike4u -> RE: Penn State failures draw unprecedented NCAA sanctions (7/24/2012 7:49:30 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

I'm not at a loss.

Penn State should have received the "death penalty" for at least the next 10 years. Wipe the program out root and branch. Let the present generation of alums move on and then when everyone associated with allowing the abuse of boys is long gone then maybe Penn St. might be ready to have a football team again.

I have no problem with any of the above,I have no issue with the "vacation of all wins"from '98 to 2011 !
Nor do I have issue with Coach Paterno's record reflecting those vacated victories.
What I do have issue with is the Paterno family's continues weighing in on this matter.particularly when those comments still evidence an issue with the scope of the failure and the enormity of the scandal.Their concern with a removed statue and Joe's tarnished legacy still ,as far as "winningest coach" label is out of place,proving Joe wasn't the only member of the family blind to the real victims here !




Moonlightmaddnes -> RE: Penn State failures draw unprecedented NCAA sanctions (7/24/2012 7:58:01 PM)

I think it is more of a warning. They allowed children to be raped in order to preserve their football legacy. Let this be a warning to any other that dares to think of abusing children in such a horrific way again.

I think they should have gotten the death penalty on top of what they got. Those children had their childhood stolen from them and people knew and let it continue. That cannot go unpunished.




slvemike4u -> RE: Penn State failures draw unprecedented NCAA sanctions (7/24/2012 8:03:14 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

To me the sanctions are wrong.

I am all for every administrator and football program employee be purged if found even vaguely culpable to the crimes...but that’s it.

The young men and women who played sports in good faith should not be punished now or in the future.

Remember where a good portion of the proceeds for football go...some to other less profitable sports on campus and to the facilities and staff.

Now with the 60 million fine where do you think the school will get the money to support these endeavors? From tuition of course the only other source of income outside of the state legislature. .. This will make getting an education for the 44,000 or so students in the top 15 University in the US more expensive…why

Lets punish those responsible not the students who had and will have nothing to do with this tragedy.

Butch

Two things Butch,one the players who played their in the past,who were talented enough to parlay their Division 1-A scholarship into an NFL career have already cashed in.Present players have the right to transfer without losing any eligibility nor the need to red shirt.
Second,the money:one condition of the fine is that the price can not be passed on to the tax payer....I take that to read that tuitions can not rise,certainly not in state tuition .
Penn State football is ,in a sense,one of those "responsible" for this tragedy,and as such Penn State football had to take a hit for this monumental breakdown in basic decency.
If you would not punish the program for a crime this despicable,what would it take to do so ?
USC got hit with a big penalty for what Reggie Bush did,what should Penn State have gotten for what Poterno and co. did?
Or failed to do ?




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