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tazzygirl -> Colorado and insurance (7/25/2012 7:59:59 PM)
Children's Hospital Colorado announced it would use donations and its charity care fund to cover the medical expenses of the uninsured. For those who do have insurance, the hospital says it will waive all co-pays for shooting victims it is treating. HealthOne, which owns the Medical Center of Aurora and Swedish Medical Center, also says it will limit or eliminate charges based on the individual circumstances of the patients. Those hospitals have treated 22 shooting victims. There was no immediate word on what the other two hospitals would to do. The victims, however, still face a long recovery ahead and the associated medical costs — without health insurance. And HealthOne cautioned that its policy may not apply to all doctors working in its hospitals. Members of the public, along with Warner Bros., the studio that released the Batman movie "The Dark Knight Rises," have contributed nearly $2 million to help victims pay their bills. One family is raising money on its own online. There's no exact count of how many of the victims have no health insurance. But statistics suggest many of them might not be covered. Nearly one in three Coloradans, or about 1.5 million, either have no health insurance or have coverage that is inadequate, according to a 2011 report by The Colorado Trust, a health care advocacy group. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48328035/ns/us_news/#.UBCu0mGe6xk So who pays these bills? My heart feels so much for the victims.. and as callous as some may think me, its the perfect example of how each of us pay for someone else's medical care. These people, through no fault of their own, ended up in an ER... and required emergency care.... many do not have insurance. According to some, they should not receive that care because they didnt plan for it... I am open to all suggestions... because.. folks.. everyone is paying for these people to heal.. and they will still have out of pocket expences.. and some may still have huge medical bills. Do we, as a country, really have any choice but to go to a national health care?

erieangel -> RE: Colorado and insurance (7/25/2012 8:32:15 PM)
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/1048778/uninsured_aurora_victim_faces_up_to_%242_million_in_medical_bills The story of one victim who does not have health insurance. This must be the guy you referenced, Tazzy, as the one whose family started the online drive to raise money. Yes, we need true universal care. Vermont is going to be experimenting with the concept rather than going with the rules of the ACA. I've thought about moving there, but I have some mobility problems and I wouldn't be able to handle the winters in that state.

tazzygirl -> RE: Colorado and insurance (7/25/2012 9:37:26 PM)
The winters there would be brutal.

Real0ne -> RE: Colorado and insurance (7/25/2012 9:40:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Do we, as a country, really have any choice but to go to a national health care? how much did you donate?

tazzygirl -> RE: Colorado and insurance (7/25/2012 9:44:43 PM)
I donate whatever I can when I see the drives.. I donate through the lousy spaghetti dinner fund drives for the local childrenw ho are sick.. I donate through the local food banks and the stores when they do food drives. How much have you donated?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Colorado and insurance (7/26/2012 3:57:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Children's Hospital Colorado announced it would use donations and its charity care fund to cover the medical expenses of the uninsured. For those who do have insurance, the hospital says it will waive all co-pays for shooting victims it is treating. Do we, as a country, really have any choice but to go to a national health care? In short, the answer is.... yes. Yes, we do have more choices than to go to national health care.

erieangel -> RE: Colorado and insurance (7/26/2012 6:05:40 AM)
You know, I really don't understand poor and middle class people who argue for continued obscene profits to health insurance companies. But then, I don't understand poor and middle class people who waste money on TERM life insurance policies, either. For too much of the insurance business is little more than a racket. Question DS: In your sig you have the statement "help for the truly needy". I was wondering who you would consider truly needy?

Lucylastic -> RE: Colorado and insurance (7/26/2012 10:14:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Children's Hospital Colorado announced it would use donations and its charity care fund to cover the medical expenses of the uninsured. For those who do have insurance, the hospital says it will waive all co-pays for shooting victims it is treating. Do we, as a country, really have any choice but to go to a national health care? In short, the answer is.... yes. Yes, we do have more choices than to go to national health care. For the victims of this and other gun violence? beyond...giving to charity?? Please be specific....

tazzygirl -> RE: Colorado and insurance (7/26/2012 10:14:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Children's Hospital Colorado announced it would use donations and its charity care fund to cover the medical expenses of the uninsured. For those who do have insurance, the hospital says it will waive all co-pays for shooting victims it is treating. Do we, as a country, really have any choice but to go to a national health care? In short, the answer is.... yes. Yes, we do have more choices than to go to national health care. You.. me... all of us are paying for this. You tell us, why dont you, what other choices we have? As erie put it... right now, insurance companies are eating up the money. I posted not too long ago how an MRI is one price for cash... and three times that price for insurance companies. Your solution of cash and carry doesnt wash. So, why dont you come up with one we all can agree upon.

Lucylastic -> RE: Colorado and insurance (7/26/2012 10:17:16 AM)
https://www.wepay.com/donations/support-caleb Online support for his bills (Caleb got shot in the eye)

DesideriScuri -> RE: Colorado and insurance (7/26/2012 10:58:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Children's Hospital Colorado announced it would use donations and its charity care fund to cover the medical expenses of the uninsured. For those who do have insurance, the hospital says it will waive all co-pays for shooting victims it is treating. Do we, as a country, really have any choice but to go to a national health care? In short, the answer is.... yes. Yes, we do have more choices than to go to national health care. You.. me... all of us are paying for this. You tell us, why dont you, what other choices we have? As erie put it... right now, insurance companies are eating up the money. I posted not too long ago how an MRI is one price for cash... and three times that price for insurance companies. Your solution of cash and carry doesnt wash. So, why dont you come up with one we all can agree upon. You will never agree with me unless I parrot your "solutions." The hospitals have decided to give the care for free. Why? Because Big Government decided to strong arm them, right? Insurance companies, you say, are raking it in? Who owns the hospitals? Isn't it the same insurance companies? Oh, yeah, that's right! They are! So, the hospitals, owned by the insurance companies, are giving the care for free. Damn bastard insurance companies! They are using money set aside for charity care and donations (ie. charity). So, what is the issue here? The care is being taken care of through non-governmental solutions. Gee. How horrible.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Colorado and insurance (7/26/2012 11:00:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Children's Hospital Colorado announced it would use donations and its charity care fund to cover the medical expenses of the uninsured. For those who do have insurance, the hospital says it will waive all co-pays for shooting victims it is treating. Do we, as a country, really have any choice but to go to a national health care? In short, the answer is.... yes. Yes, we do have more choices than to go to national health care. For the victims of this and other gun violence? beyond...giving to charity?? Please be specific.... You aren't specific about your idea of national health care. Why should I? And, what is wrong with separating the insurance companies from the hospitals and then turn the hospitals back into charity-led non-profits? Oh, yeah, that's right, it's charity.

Lucylastic -> RE: Colorado and insurance (7/26/2012 11:06:57 AM)
LMAO Ive lived universal healthcare my entire life, so I call bollocks on that so youve got nothing, because, a, charity isnt the answer. apart from the colorado victims, gaining the "need" for covered healthcare at the moment... Charity doesnt cover the need. Thats why most countries HAVE some form of universal healthcare.

LaTigresse -> RE: Colorado and insurance (7/26/2012 11:09:31 AM)
Ya, I wonder how much 'charity' is going to pay for my brother's (who lives in Colorado) pending stay in a hospital. One month minimum. With who knows how long in counseling afterwards.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Colorado and insurance (7/26/2012 11:23:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: erieangel You know, I really don't understand poor and middle class people who argue for continued obscene profits to health insurance companies. But then, I don't understand poor and middle class people who waste money on TERM life insurance policies, either. For too much of the insurance business is little more than a racket. Question DS: In your sig you have the statement "help for the truly needy". I was wondering who you would consider truly needy? The "truly needy" are those who legitimately can not provide for themselves. I am not against Welfare, Food Stamps, or MedicAid as much as I'm against them being too easily abused. The only problem I ever see with someone using food stamps is when they get into their pimped out Explorer with spinner rims parked in the handicapped spot. People choosing to not work because they get more from welfare than they would from work are abusing the system, too. There are people who can not provide for themselves. Some of the elderly, or disabled, can't make ends meet and have no way to truly make any money to make those ends meet. Those are some of the truly needy. For people who have had a run of bad luck, or fallen on hard times, I'm not against giving those people a hand up. Hand outs are not the same by any stretch. Does that help clarify my belief? If you have more questions pertaining to them, I'd more than gladly answer them.

tazzygirl -> RE: Colorado and insurance (7/26/2012 11:28:02 AM)
quote: You will never agree with me unless I parrot your "solutions." The hospitals have decided to give the care for free. Why? Because Big Government decided to strong arm them, right? Insurance companies, you say, are raking it in? Who owns the hospitals? Isn't it the same insurance companies? Oh, yeah, that's right! They are! So, the hospitals, owned by the insurance companies, are giving the care for free. Damn bastard insurance companies! They are using money set aside for charity care and donations (ie. charity). So, what is the issue here? The care is being taken care of through non-governmental solutions. Gee. How horrible. For free? no.. look again.. to care for these people, someone else wont get care. And, its the hospital bills at three that will be taken care of, in part or in whole... what about the care after they are discharged? Not all are sure the Physicians will give them care free of charge either? Two hospitals are still silent on this issue. Then there is rehab and meds and follow up visits. Who is paying for those?

Moonhead -> RE: Colorado and insurance (7/26/2012 11:28:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri The only problem I ever see with someone using food stamps is when they get into their pimped out Explorer with spinner rims parked in the handicapped spot. That was a fucking rap video: I don't think ODB was signing on when he made that one, sweetie.

kalikshama -> RE: Colorado and insurance (7/26/2012 11:31:36 AM)
quote: The only problem I ever see with someone using food stamps is when they get into their pimped out Explorer with spinner rims parked in the handicapped spot. And how often does this happen? My brother receives food stamps, SSDI, and subsidized housing. There's no money left over for rims, let alone a vehicle to put them on.

kalikshama -> RE: Colorado and insurance (7/26/2012 11:35:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Children's Hospital Colorado announced it would use donations and its charity care fund to cover the medical expenses of the uninsured. For those who do have insurance, the hospital says it will waive all co-pays for shooting victims it is treating. Do we, as a country, really have any choice but to go to a national health care? In short, the answer is.... yes. Yes, we do have more choices than to go to national health care. People will donate after a big tragedy that's all over the news. What about the "less newsworthy" everyday reality of being under- or unemployed and under- or uninsured?

Moonhead -> RE: Colorado and insurance (7/26/2012 11:38:27 AM)
People with those problems can go and starve to death under a bridge. If they get lucky a plutocrat might throw them enough loose change to buy some bottled anaesthetic. Still I suppose you can break a few windows and sleep in a cell overnight if you're worried that living in the gutter is going to kill you when there's a frost coming... whistles A Design For Life to self

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