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I've argued from the start, erieangel, that the Voter ID concept was a violation of the 4th Amendment. I dont recall those who lived in the original 13 colonies needing to show their photo ID to vote. Why should I have to show mine, some 220+ years later? I've never had to show my ID to vote. I stated who I am and where I live to the nice folks at the voting house. If someone doesnt believe I'm either {A} Who I state I am or {B} Where I live is corrected. Guess what? Its up to them to come up with the burden of evidence....NOT ME!
So, if you are ahead of me in line and either claim you are the guy living next to me, or that you live on the other side of me, I'm supposed to go and prove you aren't, even though I know you aren't? How am I to do that? I can step up and say, "that is not (neighbor's name). (Name) is my neighbor, and this guy is not (Name)." Or, I can say, "I live next to that house and this guy here does not live there." In either case, whether my claim is true or not, proof has not been offered. Until it's verified, I can not prove you don't live next to me, even though I know, for certain, you do not live next to me.
Holy Cow! Are you really....THIS....ignorant on how the justice system works in every state of the Union? If the person your behind states they live at an address that would make them your next door neighbor; yet you know the folks that live there.....that *IS* your civil duty to speak up. To which you explain to the police officer that the person in question is not who they say they are. The police officer can ask the person for some ID, HOWEVER, if the person refuses, THEY HAVE NOT BROKEN A LAW. You've never heard of "Taking the 5th"? When around law enforcement officials? Regardless, the police officer (depending on the level of technology at hand) makes a call to their dispatch to get information on the person in question. The dispatch relays the information as it is know. In MA, most local and all the state troopers have access to a RMV database to bring up the photo, address, and any out standing traffic issues. To which the officer can simply look at the photo and eye-ball the person in question. In 2012, I know its hard for you to understand how technology has changed from your '1950's America' image.
If the person is correctly indentify as the name and address in question, do you have the decency to apologize like an adult? Or wave off the whole thing like alittle, immature child? I find most conservatives behave like little, immature children when proved wrong.
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Now, had you taken the excruciatingly laborious and painful steps to take out your wallet and photo ID...
You've never heard of a 'Fake ID'? Yeah, living close to Boston, MA, most bartenders can tell a well designed ID from the real article 9/10ths of the time. As you go further way from civilization (i.e. the boonies), folks on there are not as....sophisticated....in determining if an ID is real or not. So how do you counter voter fraud when the illegal immigrant flashs their fake ID to vote?
How do you counter voter fraud? Get to know those in your neighborhood! And expand that neighborhood beyound the house to either side or directly across the street from you! Cus conservatives seem to have this 'anti-social' viewpoint of the world around them. Get to know your neighbors. Their names, their children's names, where they live, what they do for work, etc. That way when your at the voting booth you can give a friendly way, take a few minutes to chat on neighborhood stuff and vote together. Kinda of like how they did things back in the old days (you know, before the 1950s).
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