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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/26/2012 11:17:48 AM

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Wow, I pretty much thought what Malcolm said.

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/26/2012 1:33:59 PM

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Wow. What a well thought out piece of racist garbage.

It's highly US centric, makes free use of supposition and uses anecdotal evidence to draw false conclusions. In fact the very title of it is false. If you pay attention to news out of other countries you will find that there are a lot of mass murderers not reported in this country. Off the top of my head: Axe murderers in China
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006-10/20/content_712622.htm
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/China+axe+murderer+kills+8%2c+including+toddler%3a+state+media-a01611759299
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/15/world/asia/axe-wielding-farmer-goes-on-killing-spree-in-central-china.html?_r=1

They managed to do that without 'lax gun laws' and firearms.

The first link used as support for his arguments LINKS BACK TO THE SAME ARTICLE.

How many studies are quoted in it? Referenced?

Zero. Go back and count again if you don't believe me. Count the studies twice if you want.

So I spent a minute researching the author. Technically this would be an Ad-Hominem argument but I thought it would be a good idea to get a handle on the author.

After a (admittedly brief) study of articles and speeches online I think he is a man with a purpose. Specifically his purpose is to apologize to the world for being a white man.

There is no such thing as 'reverse racism.' Racism is racism: period.

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/26/2012 1:43:05 PM

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If you Google the author of that article, it provides quite the interesting read.

As for the white entitlement thing causing folks to go on murder sprees, anything I said addressing that would get me a gold letter, and I am doing all I can to reduce the workload of our wonderful moderation staff!

Back when Wayne Williams was arrested, I will admit to us using "That shit is Wayne Williams man", instead of "That's some killer shit man", when referring to some of the great weed that was going around the Atlanta area at the time.

Then I'll take one for the team....

The OP is a racist bint, so of course she wants to paint white men (in particular) in a bad light.

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/26/2012 3:14:55 PM

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Oh my goodness OP- another post of you making digs at white people???

Mass murderers are human and come from all racial-religious-socio-economic backgrounds.

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/26/2012 4:30:21 PM

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i found this pretty interesting
http://jezebel.com/5928584/why-most-mass-murderers-are-privileged-white-men

Well, magazines and newspapers are there for one express purpose: To sell soap.

So I take a bit of umbrage with the headline (one word actually) "privileged".

The recent guy in Seattle (Green River)....wouldn't exactly call him privileged. Painter at PacCar (makers of very big trucks...might have made 70K with overtime). Blue collar at best.

Ted Bundy, lower middle class family (still lives in Tacoma, house might be worth, on a good day, $150,000.00 in a regional market where the average home value exceeds $350,000.00...basically, their house is a dump), unbelievably bright student...hardly privileged.

What's his name in California...never to be released....not even remotely from a upper class background.

Now, if the reporter wanted to do a more truthful story and or headline...it might have gone more along the lines of "why are they all from Seattle/West coast?"

(Neither of which is true either but...hey...I ain't selling soap).

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/26/2012 4:36:19 PM

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Skin color doesn't make you a mass murderer,killing numerous victims does.

Jessie Dotson Gets Six Death Sentences for Memphis Mass Murder, One for Each Life He Took.All family members of his.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20019666-504083.html

Suharto: 'One of the greatest mass murderers of the 20th century'

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At least 500,000 Indonesians died violently in the months following the takeover, but studies suggest the figure might have been between a million and two million.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/suharto-one-of-the-greatest-mass-murderers-of-the-20th-century-777103.html

And from Wikipedia,a list of mass murderers from around the globe,I am sure most skin colors are represented.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_murderers_and_spree_killers_by_number_of_victims

OP,instead of trying to point a finger at a single race of people,you might want to notice that there are screwed up people all over the world of every color.

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/26/2012 5:01:36 PM

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*sighs*
She's linking to Jezebel. It's where you expect to find feminist claptrap.
And after they've staked their reputation on such hits as "homosexuality is a choice", "no man can ever be discriminated against" and "gender is an arbitrary, artificial social construct", the usual response should be demanding that they show their work before being taken seriously. Not playing disproval whack-a-mole with every harebrained thing they think to say.

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/26/2012 7:39:03 PM

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How many hundreds of thousands and possibly millions did Pol Pot kill?

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/26/2012 7:40:44 PM

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I haven't read Jezebel in awhile but I've certainly
read things other than feminist claptrap
on there. I've never read anything about
homosexuality being a choice on there.
A link would be most appreciated.

Some of the angriest people in the US
seem indeed to be white men and the
angriest white men often seem to be
fellows who for the most part sitting
pretty. The they're destroying America,
our way of life is being taken away from
us crowd seem to largely be straight
white men who are coming apart at the
seams because of the uppity.

Whatever the Czech chicks are up to
murderers of any kind are far more
likely to be men than women.

But murderers can be either sex and
any ethnicity and are all over the world.
The Virginia Tech killer was Asian.
Hinkley is a rich white boy. Oswald was
a poor white boy. Two Manson girls
shot at Ford.
Bundy was raised lower middle class
but he rose to become a Republican
lawyer.
Spree killing is different than run of the
mill serial killing. It has it's own mindset.
I believe statistically in the US anyway
spree and serial killers are overwhelingly
young males. If more of them are white
it could reflect the population.

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/26/2012 7:49:02 PM

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In the Jezebel article the author mentions Charles Whiteman.
I believe Whiteman who was killed during
the shooting spree was found to have had
a brain tumor. In a letter he wrote to his
father before the killings found after his
death he said he knew something was
wrong with him and asked that after his
death his brain be examined. So his
circumstances were different from others.

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/26/2012 9:47:31 PM

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Cuz if they count, that's gonna change those stats a wee bit...

Yeah... remember who it was that commented that bringing your date to a killing was on par with bringing her to the movies now?

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/27/2012 9:30:30 AM

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How about the masses 'murdered' in Africa and trust me...not by white men.

How about Asia and the millions dead over the years.

Oh sorry, they were govts. not 'just men.' Well they are men and they...aren't white.

Another attempt at merely an attention-getter title and totally without foundation.

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/27/2012 3:13:46 PM

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White, "privileged" men....they're killers....that's it.

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/27/2012 3:21:47 PM

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/27/2012 5:56:44 PM

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I think it's a bit unfair to have a go at 'feminists' about this. White men or black men, regardless - the OP didn't make the point, but it *is* disproportionately men who do this somewhat undesirable thing of going around killing people. En mass, or serially. I think it's fairly undeniable that we men have more of a problem when it comes to killing people than women. Just saying.

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/28/2012 6:27:41 AM

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I think it's a bit unfair to have a go at 'feminists' about this. White men or black men, regardless - the OP didn't make the point, but it *is* disproportionately men who do this somewhat undesirable thing of going around killing people. En mass, or serially. I think it's fairly undeniable that we men have more of a problem when it comes to killing people than women. Just saying.

Well, upon studying the facts, I would submit that men actually have less of a problem killing people.

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/28/2012 7:42:41 AM

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I think it's a bit unfair to have a go at 'feminists' about this. White men or black men, regardless - the OP didn't make the point, but it *is* disproportionately men who do this somewhat undesirable thing of going around killing people. En mass, or serially. I think it's fairly undeniable that we men have more of a problem when it comes to killing people than women. Just saying.

Thank you Peon, I think about this sort of thing a lot, and the operative word here, that is the UNdisputed fact, is not race it's gender.

I have one word to sum it up------ MEN.

Anyone, that doesn't get it by now, should just goggle the statistics, since the beginning of time.

Have a great weekend.

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/28/2012 7:43:46 AM

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I haven't read Jezebel in awhile but I've certainly
read things other than feminist claptrap
on there. I've never read anything about
homosexuality being a choice on there.
A link would be most appreciated.

Some of the angriest people in the US
seem indeed to be white men and the
angriest white men often seem to be
fellows who for the most part sitting
pretty. The they're destroying America,
our way of life is being taken away from
us crowd seem to largely be straight
white men who are coming apart at the
seams because of the uppity.

Whatever the Czech chicks are up to
murderers of any kind are far more
likely to be men than women.

But murderers can be either sex and
any ethnicity and are all over the world.
The Virginia Tech killer was Asian.
Hinkley is a rich white boy. Oswald was
a poor white boy. Two Manson girls
shot at Ford.
Bundy was raised lower middle class
but he rose to become a Republican
lawyer.
Spree killing is different than run of the
mill serial killing. It has it's own mindset.
I believe statistically in the US anyway
spree and serial killers are overwhelingly
young males. If more of them are white
it could reflect the population.

You can sort it out anyway you like, white men mass killings, black men more black on black killing, on and on and on till the break of dawn.

We are not even going to start on the issue of wars, etc.

It's much easier to just say MEN-- and keep it moving.

Winterapple? Me--- like you--- long time.
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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/28/2012 9:27:05 AM

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So when men who don't snap are more proactive about working hard and climbing their way up the corporate ladder, it's Societal Oppression and Glass Ceiling and Patriarchy, but when men who do snap are more proactive about filling bystanders with holes, it's a constitutional failure in the gender. Gotcha.

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/28/2012 12:10:03 PM

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There are plenty of female mass murderers too. Elizabeth Bathory springs to mind (AKA the Countess of Blood.) Or Annie May Palmer (The White Witch of Rose Hall.) Lizzie Borden.

Or if you want something close in time:
Andrea Yates - killed all five of her children one by one by drowning them in the bathtub.
Jennifer San Marco - killed seven people with a pistol.
Aileen Wournos - Convicted of killing seven, thought to have killed more.
Amy Bishop - A neurobiologist who walked into her department meeting and just opened fire.

These are all things that have happened recently and made headlines. There are far more. Most of the time female mass murderers don't make the front pages for a long period of time because the things they do are more disturbing, like poisoning little children.

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