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kiwisub12 -> RE: A bit apprehenisve! (7/31/2012 4:43:23 PM)

OP - if its the control that makes her hot, perhaps you can give her control in other areas, not just orgasm control. You seem to be a bit submissive at this time, since you have allowed her to take this control, so maybe there are other aspects of D/s that appeal to you, that you and she could indulge in without going long term orgasm denial.

Giving her control in other things may satisfy her need/enjoyment without you having to give up orgasms.




DeviantlyD -> RE: A bit apprehenisve! (8/1/2012 3:28:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

please don't hijack threads to call people rude. now, that's rude.

please stay on topic. i was. sorry you didn't like my blunt opinion. i suggest you keep your rude reactions to my opinions to yourself, and please try to stay on topic. now, if you wish to discuss why you disagree with me like an adult, that would be on topic and not rude.



Aren't you being entirely hypocritical? You call someone else rude for calling you rude. Hello!

Your "opinion" (the "my condolences on your failing marriage") was not warranted in the least. What made you believe it was okay to post that?

As for the other poster discussing why she disagrees with you being on topic? That would be completely off topic. Your "opinion" is not on topic.



And speaking of on topic...OP...I can only suggest to that you discuss your feelings with your wife, as you have stated them here by expressing what you do and don't like as well as your reservations and why. You know her point of view, perhaps you could help her to see yours. Bonne chance! :)




OsideGirl -> RE: A bit apprehenisve! (8/1/2012 7:36:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Karmastic

please don't hijack threads to call people rude. now, that's rude.

please stay on topic. i was. sorry you didn't like my blunt opinion. i suggest you keep your rude reactions to my opinions to yourself, and please try to stay on topic. now, if you wish to discuss why you disagree with me like an adult, that would be on topic and not rude.



Aren't you being entirely hypocritical? You call someone else rude for calling you rude. Hello!

Your "opinion" (the "my condolences on your failing marriage") was not warranted in the least. What made you believe it was okay to post that?
Exactly.



quote:

And speaking of on topic...OP...I can only suggest to that you discuss your feelings with your wife, as you have stated them here by expressing what you do and don't like as well as your reservations and why. You know her point of view, perhaps you could help her to see yours. Bonne chance! :)


Communication is key along with a serious effort to find something that works for you both. Kiwi also had a good point, if it's the control that gets her hot, there are a lot of ways that can come into play.




VideoAdminTheta -> RE: A bit apprehenisve! (8/1/2012 7:39:02 AM)

This is the topic. Let's not go into the train wreck we had before by going off topic.

Thank you

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ORIGINAL: Davidburke379

Well, I don't know where to start here, but I guess I will just go ahead and pour out my thoughts. I'm not even sure if this is in the right section, so if it isn't I apologize in advance.

I am a 32 year old male. I have been married for almost 2 years, but I have been together with my wife for almost 10 years. Recently, I would say in the past year or so, my wife has really expressed an interest in orgasm denial and possibly chastity if I can't learn to control myself on my own. I never minded a little bit of teasing because hey, let's face it, I was getting some action, so I didn't mind! Plus, it was kind of fun, but now it is getting to the point where I think she is looking at long term type of orgasm denial and that doesn't sound "fun" to me!! In the beginning, she would tease me for a little while and then we would have sex and that was that, but I guess she really likes it so it has slowly escalated from there. Sometimes, if it is a weekend and we are both home she will tease me and make me wait till Sunday night to have an orgasm! It isn't an easy thing to be teased and have to wait like that, but I will say that the orgasm is much more intense when she finally gives it to me. She has also pointed out that when I am not able to cum right away and i am desperatley seeking that orgasm that I am more focused on her than I usually am. That much I have to agree with her on! When I am want that orgasm I will basically do anyhing that she asks! She also says it excites her to keep me excited and asking for her to let me cum! I see how excited she gets about it, so that makes me happy to see her happy. I mean I love her and like doing things to make her happy, so that's why I have been compliant with what she asks me to do, but I just don't know about this.

I guess my question here is what do you guys think I should do? From the little research that I have done about this it seems that most of the time it is the guy who wants this type of relationship, but how do you deal with it when it is the woman that wants it for you?? I guess I can see the appeal of it for some guys, but I don't really see it for myself. If I do it, it wouldn't be something that I think I would enjoy, but I would do it because it makes her happy. I'm not going to lie though, I am a definitely a bit scared about going down this path. Do i make the sacrafice for her happiness, or do I put my foot down and say no?

thanks for listening!





LadyPact -> RE: A bit apprehenisve! (8/1/2012 11:40:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

FR-

OP, you answered your own question...

"I guess I can see the appeal of it for some guys, but I don't really see it for myself."

My condolences on your failing marriage.

Sorry, but I've got to do it.

What, in your opinion, leads you to think that the marriage is failing? I don't see it this way at all. I see it as a kink that the two have been playing with a little and they enjoy it to the point that they want to expand.

I wouldn't expect you or crazyml to want to practice this particular kink being the receiver. Tease and denial with chastity is usually inflicted on the s type.

However, for those with no experience with certain types of kinks, there's really no description for it except for talking out of one's ass.





Davidburke379 -> RE: A bit apprehenisve! (8/1/2012 2:50:23 PM)

Thank You all again for your advice. I do appreciate it.

@karmastic. Our marriage isn't "failing" Actually, we have a pretty good marriage. just because we don't see eye-to-eye on something doesn't mean that our marriage isn't working.

Anyway, so I have talked with my wife some more on this and expressed to her my concerns and worries. Obviously, the whole tease and denial thing really gets her hot, we all know that much by now. She likes the fact that she is controlling my orgasms. She looks at it more like I am making the sacrafice of my orgasm for her. The whole dominant role on her part is something that she has wanted to do for a while, according to her. With that said, she isn't looking to deny me forever here. She said we can experiment and see how it goes. I told her the chastity thing is the part that I was really concerned about and she said not to worry about that and we would see how things go. She said we can still do the whole tease and dneial thing without the actual chastity and that she would trust me to behave. We had a pretty long conversation about it and she said she did a lot of research about the subject and learned a lot. She is very excited about it and hoped that I would give it a try. She says that a lot of men/relationships can benefit from it.

So, after our conversation I did some more research on the Internet and looked deeper about it all. She is right, I did find a lot of information about it all and it is true that some relationships benefit from this. It seems to be more common than I thought it was, not only the denial thing, but letting the woman in the relationship have a more dominant role. So, after thinking about it all for a while I think I am going to give it a try. our anniversay is next week, so maybe I will wait until then to tell her. Part of what she said about making sacrafices for each other makes sense to me. I'm going to look at this whole thing as a sacrafice that I am making for her. That is what relationships are about right? making sacrafices for each other in the name of love. I guess I will try it and see what happens. What do you guys think? Are there any guys that have done this for their woman? What do you women think about this?




Karmastic -> RE: A bit apprehenisve! (8/1/2012 11:40:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Karmastic

please don't hijack threads to call people rude. now, that's rude.

please stay on topic. i was. sorry you didn't like my blunt opinion. i suggest you keep your rude reactions to my opinions to yourself, and please try to stay on topic. now, if you wish to discuss why you disagree with me like an adult, that would be on topic and not rude.



Aren't you being entirely hypocritical? You call someone else rude for calling you rude. Hello!

Your "opinion" (the "my condolences on your failing marriage") was not warranted in the least. What made you believe it was okay to post that?

As for the other poster discussing why she disagrees with you being on topic? That would be completely off topic. Your "opinion" is not on topic.



And speaking of on topic...OP...I can only suggest to that you discuss your feelings with your wife, as you have stated them here by expressing what you do and don't like as well as your reservations and why. You know her point of view, perhaps you could help her to see yours. Bonne chance! :)

sorry, you just can't have it both ways. you cannot disagree with my opinion, and then feebly attempt to say it was not on topic. just because you didn't like my opinion, it didn't magically make it off topic. where on earth do you get this silly reasoning? i can't imagine the personal reasons that you would further hijack this thread to yet again go off topic, making a personal attack by telling me my opinion "was not warranted".

what boggles my mind, is what personal need are you meeting, with your inability to simply disagree with my opinion like most any adult would do, by simply saying you disagree, and that you think OP should go through years of couples counseling to finally discover what he already knows - that he's NOT submissive. or at least, not to this particular woman.

ps - please look up the word hypocritical. yes, it's rude what they did, and what you just did, to not have the ability to disagree with someone like an adult.




Karmastic -> RE: A bit apprehenisve! (8/1/2012 11:52:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact


quote:

ORIGINAL: Karmastic

FR-

OP, you answered your own question...

"I guess I can see the appeal of it for some guys, but I don't really see it for myself."

My condolences on your failing marriage.

Sorry, but I've got to do it.

What, in your opinion, leads you to think that the marriage is failing? I don't see it this way at all. I see it as a kink that the two have been playing with a little and they enjoy it to the point that they want to expand.



that's okay, don't be sorry. i do appreciate that this time, you were able to present a cogent argument on why you disagree with me in an adult manner, without again calling me "sick" or some other rude and dismissive term.

what leads me to think the marriage will fail is the OP own words. he said he's not a submissive. and he said his wife is coming out of the closet (or evolving) as a dominant. assuming you yourself are dominant, and your partner comes out as dominant - how do you think that would work out.

why are we even discussing this really? is this a hidden camera thread or something? perhaps what's bothering you is that i didn't sugar coat it, and suggest all sorts of ways to see if they could try to work out that impossible scenario.

re this:

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I wouldn't expect you or crazyml to want to practice this particular kink being the receiver. Tease and denial with chastity is usually inflicted on the s type.

However, for those with no experience with certain types of kinks, there's really no description for it except for talking out of one's ass.

sorry if i missed something, but what motivates you to refer to some other person i don't really know (crazyml) in comparison to me? and i have no idea what your subsequent point was. you truly don't know jack shit about me (or probably the other person), so why on earth would you presume i do or dont have experience with any particular kink? can you see how offensive that is?

and finally, regardless of my experience with any particular kink, please again tell us how that's relevant to how a dominant man is supposed to submit to a woman who's always been submissive, and is now coming out as dominant.




Karmastic -> RE: A bit apprehenisve! (8/2/2012 12:14:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Davidburke379

Thank You all again for your advice. I do appreciate it.

@karmastic. Our marriage isn't "failing" Actually, we have a pretty good marriage. just because we don't see eye-to-eye on something doesn't mean that our marriage isn't working.

Anyway, so I have talked with my wife some more on this and expressed to her my concerns and worries. Obviously, the whole tease and denial thing really gets her hot, we all know that much by now. She likes the fact that she is controlling my orgasms. She looks at it more like I am making the sacrafice of my orgasm for her. The whole dominant role on her part is something that she has wanted to do for a while, according to her. With that said, she isn't looking to deny me forever here. She said we can experiment and see how it goes. I told her the chastity thing is the part that I was really concerned about and she said not to worry about that and we would see how things go. She said we can still do the whole tease and dneial thing without the actual chastity and that she would trust me to behave. We had a pretty long conversation about it and she said she did a lot of research about the subject and learned a lot. She is very excited about it and hoped that I would give it a try. She says that a lot of men/relationships can benefit from it.

So, after our conversation I did some more research on the Internet and looked deeper about it all. She is right, I did find a lot of information about it all and it is true that some relationships benefit from this. It seems to be more common than I thought it was, not only the denial thing, but letting the woman in the relationship have a more dominant role. So, after thinking about it all for a while I think I am going to give it a try. our anniversay is next week, so maybe I will wait until then to tell her. Part of what she said about making sacrafices for each other makes sense to me. I'm going to look at this whole thing as a sacrafice that I am making for her. That is what relationships are about right? making sacrafices for each other in the name of love. I guess I will try it and see what happens. What do you guys think? Are there any guys that have done this for their woman? What do you women think about this?


Davidburke379, i'm glad to see that you feel better about things, and are getting what you think is good advice from the others (i assume, not from me, and that's okay). i didn't mean to offend you with my blunt opinion, and i'm sorry that some people got so emotionally sidetracked on whether or not they liked how i expressed my opinion. that kinda sucks, but i'm used to it from these same people, with the same tired not so veiled personal attacks. again, sorry your thread got sucked into that a bit. the mods don't seem to recognize this dynamic with these people.

re what i bolded above. the answer is, a strong and vehement NO - a dominant person does NOT sacrifice and submit to another dominant person, PERIOD. well, assuming you're not a switch.

so, if you consider yourself dominant, then i stick to my original opinion. but perhaps, if you're questioning this, then that's truly where you should focus your energy. and not on this or that particular kink that you'll be submissive to your wife for. because these kink details are really irrelevant to what i see is the true issue here (and spurious arguments about this or that kink, or who has experience with them): you've told us that you're not submissive, and aren't comfortable that your wife is now being fully honest with you, and wants to change up the deal so to speak, and be sexually dominant.

i do think that you going through this process is helping you understand yourself, notwithstanding the sort of coddling and unrealistic advice i think you are being given. i really do wish you all the best.




DeviantlyD -> RE: A bit apprehenisve! (8/2/2012 12:38:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

so, if you consider yourself dominant,



Where did he say that?

It's so funny (in a not amusing sort of way) how you say other people are making personal attacks that really aren't personal attacks and then you proceed to do the very thing (make personal attacks) you falsely accuse others of doing to you. And it's also funny (in the same way) that you try to give out advice about kink and BDSM when you yourself have stated more than once that you have no personal experience in this area.

Yup. Funny.




Karmastic -> RE: A bit apprehenisve! (8/2/2012 12:55:53 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Karmastic

so, if you consider yourself dominant,



Where did he say that?

It's so funny (in a not amusing sort of way) how you say other people are making personal attacks that really aren't personal attacks and then you proceed to do the very thing (make personal attacks) you falsely accuse others of doing to you. And it's also funny (in the same way) that you try to give out advice about kink and BDSM when you yourself have stated more than once that you have no personal experience in this area.

Yup. Funny.

what's not funny is your incessant need to stalk me and try to announce or proclaim what you think my experience is, in attempting to belittle and harass people. it's against TOU, and exceedlingly creepy.




Karmastic -> RE: A bit apprehenisve! (8/2/2012 12:58:50 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Karmastic

so, if you consider yourself dominant,



Where did he say that?

It's so funny (in a not amusing sort of way) how you say other people are making personal attacks that really aren't personal attacks and then you proceed to do the very thing (make personal attacks) you falsely accuse others of doing to you. And it's also funny (in the same way) that you try to give out advice about kink and BDSM when you yourself have stated more than once that you have no personal experience in this area.

Yup. Funny.

what's not funny is your incessant need to stalk me and try to announce or proclaim what you think my experience is, in attempting to belittle and harass me. it's against TOU, and exceedlingly creepy.

you appear to be a sock/fake profile, created soley to troll and harass people. i'm wondering when the mods will catch on to this.




PeonForHer -> RE: A bit apprehenisve! (8/2/2012 3:16:49 AM)

FR

I can't see where the OP says either that he's dominant (in the sense we normally use the word here) or that his relationship is unstable or unhappy. Hmmm. Maybe I missed something.

This seems to me to require a conversation between the OP and his partner about boundaries. Or perhaps quite a few conversations about boundaries. A few things about the extent and style of power exchange in the relationship need to be *pinned down*. Not permanently, but for the near future.




crazyml -> RE: A bit apprehenisve! (8/2/2012 4:21:00 AM)

If it works for you, brother, then fill your boots, and best of luck.




crazyml -> RE: A bit apprehenisve! (8/2/2012 4:35:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic


My condolences on your failing marriage.


Karmastic.... you're a clever bloke, I'm sure. Can you see how someone might have interpreted this comment as a pointlessly snarky comment that adds fuck all to the discussion?

Surely you can?

Now, where I come from, when you're called on something like that, the honourable thing is to say "I'm sorry, that was a jackassed thing to say", I guess you roll differently?

quote:


sorry if i missed something, but what motivates you to refer to some other person i don't really know (crazyml) in comparison to me?


I think she was making the point that since you and I are very unlikely to enjoy this kink, we're really not overly qualified to comment over much. Which I think is a pretty reasonable point of view.

As for the idea of comparing... let's do that comparison...

I said ....
quote:

ORIGINAL: crazyml

Speaking for myself, I wouldn't put up with that for a second.

I can't speak for you.

If you think you can be happy long term with her taking that level of control, then go for it.

If you don't think you can be happy then talk to her.




And you said...


quote:

ORIGINAL: Karmastic


My condolences on your failing marriage.


If you had two stickers, one labelled - let's say "Constructive" and another labelled... "Jackass" which stickers would you put on which post?

quote:



and i have no idea what your subsequent point was. you truly don't know jack shit about me (or probably the other person), so why on earth would you presume i do or dont have experience with any particular kink? can you see how offensive that is?


Nope, I can't see how "offensive that is" - Why would you find someone making a guess at your preferences offensive?

Seems a little bit silly to me.

Not least because you made a very very big assumption about the state of the op's marriage.... So... is it offensive for people to make assumptions about your kinks, but perfectly ok for you to make assumptions about some one's marriage. If the former is "offensive" how is it that the latter isn't?

I'd also, sincerely point out, that while you're right - most of us know jack shit about eachother, we all leave clues about our views, temperament, level of maturity etc in the things we post. Unless those posts are removed they stay there forever. What impression do you think you've left in your posts to this thread?

quote:


and finally, regardless of my experience with any particular kink, please again tell us how that's relevant to how a dominant man is supposed to submit to a woman who's always been submissive, and is now coming out as dominant.



I could have genuinely missed something, but I don't see where the guy said he was a dom.

[ETA riff about the assumption made about the posters marriage]




Davidburke379 -> RE: A bit apprehenisve! (8/15/2012 7:35:15 AM)

Okay, so obviously this thread was locked for a while because of some bickering and what not, but not it has been unlocked, so I hope we can all just have some normal conversations without any arguing.

First, I would like to thank everybody again for their advice. It has been helpful and I appreciate everybody taking the time to respond.

So, after some thought, I decided to give this whole denial thing a try. August 1st was our anniversary, so on our anniversary I expressed to my wife that I would give this a try because I know that it is something that she wants and will make her happy. It was basically my gift to her for our anniversary. I told her that I would make the sacrafice for her and give this a try it to make her happy. She was elated and excited about the whole thing, and expressed to me how making this sacrafice for her is something really meant a lot! Anyway, at this point, from what I have learned, it is more like orgasm control than actual denial that we are practicing. I am not being denied totally, but I do have to learn to control my orgasms, and she ultimately has the say of when I can cum. It's only been a couple of weeks, but I have learned a few things from my experience so far. The first is that this is a pretty hard thing to do! lol It is like sweet torture to be teased and then not allowed to cum, especially when you are not used to being teased and then denied! I have been doing okay with it, but after a couple of days of being denied I am ready to lose my mind! All I can think about is sex and wanting to cum!! I basically walk around with a hard-on all day!! The second thing I learned is that when I actually do cum after a couple days of teasing I have a really, really, intense orgasm!!! That's the good part and I guess what makes this whole thing kind of worth it for me. Finally, Ido find myself giving my wife a lot more attention now!! The urge to cum definitely makes me pay attention her!! the more attention I seem to give her, the quicker I get to cum it seems, which is fine with me!! So far things are pretty good.





OsideGirl -> RE: A bit apprehenisve! (8/15/2012 7:41:55 AM)

Sounds like it's working out pretty good then. Congratulations on the anniversary! (and for keeping an open mind)




LaTigresse -> RE: A bit apprehenisve! (8/15/2012 8:50:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

Sounds like it's working out pretty good then. Congratulations on the anniversary! (and for keeping an open mind)


I second this!!




Kaiel -> RE: A bit apprehenisve! (8/15/2012 9:19:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse


quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

Sounds like it's working out pretty good then. Congratulations on the anniversary! (and for keeping an open mind)


I second this!!

Ditto! congrats :)




LadyPact -> RE: A bit apprehenisve! (8/15/2012 5:32:42 PM)

OP, I'm really glad to hear it. I would like to congratulate you on such a wonderful anniversary gift. As you are discovering, tease and denial can be exceptionally hot, have you focus on her, and the orgasms that you do receive have that extra oomph.

Crazyml, I want to thank you for taking the time. I appreciate you being so thorough.

Karm, My comments on this matter were very much based on the Dominant designation. Just like Crazyml, you identify as a Dominant. Now that's the same that I do. In other words, I expect both you and he to want to be in charge of the sexual interaction in the relationship. <Shrug> I am with My submissive If we're talking about power play, who is the one ordering/commanding/demanding sexual favors?

While a number of folks read an OP's profile to get more background info, a high majority of the time, I do not. Especially not in cases where a poster is a new user. Some people come here and check those boxes without really knowing what they mean or just fo on the "pick one" theory because they do happen to be vanilla.





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