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Fightdirecto -> When do you have a "right" to take the law into your own hands? (7/28/2012 3:15:41 PM)
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I had posted a thread regarding the deaths of two American citizens, Jesus Flores and his daughter, 9-year-old Brisena Flores and the attempted murder of the girl's mother, American citizen Gina Gonzalez, at the hands of Minuteman vigilantes. The Minuteman vigilantes believed that the three were illegal aliens and that Jesus Flores was a major drug dealer, which somehow justified the attack in their minds. Believing that the three American citizens were actually illegal aliens and that proper law enforcement officers hadn't done their job and arrested them, they believed they had the "right", as American citizens, to "take the law into their own hands" and to rob and kill them. Unfortunatly, I had included a photograph of the young girl, forgetting that we are not supposed to post photographs of minors.
My main concern here is not racism (though I am sure it was a factor in the killing of the Flores family. Sfter sll, 3rd and 4th generation American citizens can’t really be Americans in the eyes of some Whites if those 3rd and 4th generation American citizens are Hispanic).
What troubles me more is the belief, among Minutemen and others, that if you are a good American citizen, you have a “right”, some might say an “obligation”, to take the law into your own hands if you believe someone else is breaking an existing law and proper law enforcement authorities haven't arrested them (like being an illegal immigrant, or reckless driving or playing their stereo too loud), or if they are doing something which should be against the law but isn’t (like being black and wearing a hoodie and walking down the sidewalk of an all-white neighborhood). And you have the “right”, and “obligation”, as an American citizen to use deadly force to do so.
Two recent examples (which do not have a racial component):
Legislator pulled gun during road incident
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A Spokane Valley legislator pulled a gun during a confrontation with another motorist last November in what police reports describe as a road rage incident. He was cited for two violations of state firearms law.
Republican Matt Shea, a state representative seeking a third term this fall, had a handgun in his pickup truck and had let his concealed weapons permit expire, a violation of state law, when he was contacted by Spokane police investigating reports of erratic driving and one driver threatening another with a handgun.
Leroy Norris, the driver of the Lumina, called police to report he had been driving on Monroe when a pickup truck cut him off and he had to slam on the brakes to avoid a collision. He honked his horn, made some “aggressive lane changes” with the pickup, and the driver of that vehicle “flipped him off.” THE DRIVER OF THE PICKUP PULLED A HANDGUN FROM THE PASSENGER SIDE OF THE CAR AND POINTED IT AT HIM, he said. He “freaked out” and drove away “crazy” because he thought his life was in danger, he added.
Norris called the police at Monroe and Fourth Avenue and said he lost the pickup at about 14th Avenue.
Loud Music May Have Led To Slayings
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A loud stereo may have led to death near Mill Creek [Washington] a month ago when a neighbor allegedly shot two people in the head in a dispute that apparently was sparked by loud music.
Martin Rasim Bulichi, 43, was charged yesterday with two counts of first-degree murder in the deaths of Robyn Glover and Brian Beebe. Police have a $1 million arrest warrant for Bulichi, who hasn't been seen since the two were shot Aug. 3.
Beebe and his roommate, Robert McClure, had just moved into the neighborhood in the 16400 block of First Avenue Southeast, just west of Mill Creek. McClure told police BULICHI HAD COME OVER TO THEIR HOUSE A FEW DAYS AFTER THEY MOVED IN TO COMPLAIN ABOUT LOUD MUSIC COMING FROM A POWERFUL STEREO SYSTEM THEY SET UP IN THE GARAGE.
McClure last saw Beebe and Glover, a friend from Seattle, the morning of their deaths, said Deputy Prosecutor Ron Doersch in court papers. When he returned home that afternoon, he found their bodies in the garage. Glover had been shot in the head, and Beebe in the face, back and head.
Bulichi's wife told investigators she saw her husband running down the driveway of their new neighbors' house the afternoon of the killings. Minutes later, he telephoned her and said: "There's been a shooting. I think they got hurt. I think they're going to die," Doersch said.
Another neighbor told police BULICHI ALSO HAD CONFRONTED HIM ABOUT LOUD MUSIC MONTHS BEFORE THE DEATHS.
The moment you take the law into your own hands, you cease being a "Good American Citizen" - you become a criminal.
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