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RE: For Dog Walkers (Dog Attack Advice) - 8/1/2012 4:23:38 PM

hlen5

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I do not have a dog, but some people downstairs have moved in with two a pitbull and a rotweiler, the latter went for me the last time I saw it. I have to be honest big dogs scare the crap out of me and I had no idea what to do in that situation so it is useful to read, I do hope I never have to kick one though, especially because I imagine the owner would kick me back.

Call animal control EVERY time you have a bad encounter with those dogs. If the owners aren't being responsible, someone has to wake them up.

ETA: Dogs are more likely to be aggressive if they can tell you are fearful.

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RE: For Dog Walkers (Dog Attack Advice) - 8/1/2012 6:05:15 PM

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I like Rottweilers for their personality and their physical
attributes, but I have to say, one that has been raised
badly or had a hard life, is a scary thing.
They are one of those dogs in my experience that will
make direct eye contact with you as a challange, if you
are unfamiliar with the dog and he has had bad or no
training, And he perceives you as being in his territory,
eye contact can provoke an attack.

A happy rottie can do the stare thing as well, but it will
be just pure unflinching observation. They are a unique
and impressive dog, but their training and upbrining are
the deciding factor. Same as all dogs.

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*this was in responce to Hlen5's comment about dogs
being more likely to attack if your fearful, A human
responce to show their unafraid can be to make direct
eye contact, I thought i'd point out thats not always a
good idea.*

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RE: For Dog Walkers (Dog Attack Advice) - 8/2/2012 2:01:36 AM

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Thanks a lot ladyC, for sharing,
There seems to be a common theme of people
who have these aggressive dogs and not having
control of them, also being ignorant and close
minded.
Having an owner swearing his head off because
you just kicked his dog that had ran over and
started biting chunks out of your dog is all to
common. Everytime I say to myself I'm going to
walk away and not get drawn into a swearing
match... But i'm still working on that.

-ARIES

You can actually deflect a lot of the aggression of a dog by telling your dog to lay down and standing in front of the dog (between your dog and the other dog), a dog that is laying down is not perceived as a threat by the other dog and your dog is more relaxed because you took over and do the pack leader thing, challenging the threat...

I can seriously recommend leather shoulder bags of the more sturdy quality, my dogs love the bag as I tend to carry treats and dog toys in it, and it makes an excellent weapon for batting an attacking dog. I admit it's almost a suitcase (the dog next to it is a fully grown female Dobie with 32" shoulders and 34 Kilos) but if you bat an attacking dog with it, it does stop them in their tracks, the shoulder straps give it a good momentum if you swing it.

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RE: For Dog Walkers (Dog Attack Advice) - 8/2/2012 7:48:34 AM

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Awwe LadyC your puppy is SOOOOO pretty!!

Mine passed away recently. He was 15 and he was my heart.
He was also one of those dogs that was sweeter than honey to anyone that Momma let in the house, but if he didn't know you or you weren't an all the time familiar person in the house, he was aggressive. He was also food aggressive with everyone BUT me.I got him when he was about 3 months old and the previous owner must have done something horrible to him at some point because that dog was very fearful of large objects like the vaccume cleaner (he would shake and run) We had a neighbor come over one time to show off a large trophy from a go-cart race he had won, if I had not been standing in between my dog and the door, the poor kid would have gotten himself bitten.
I always had to keep beware of dog signs on my doors and windows, even though the entire time we had him we were always loving but firm with him, never hit him or anything like that, but whatever happened with him before I got him really stuck.

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RE: For Dog Walkers (Dog Attack Advice) - 8/2/2012 8:01:59 AM

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I think it's the noise of the vacuum cleaner, both of mine are terrified of that and the steam cleaner, to the point that the boy (who is HUGE) starts to pee in fright if the door closes by mistake and he can't run away.

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RE: For Dog Walkers (Dog Attack Advice) - 8/2/2012 3:19:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: ARIES83

Hey Karm, I can read you now!
Thanks for adding you experiences, I've been there with
my hand in a dogs mouth and wouldn't advise it.

The owner was running over to help, so I just grabbed
the dogs scruff and held him there, I couldn't bring
myself to gouge his eye... but I'd say that would probably
have been different had there been only me there.

Something I thought was funny, when the owner
dragged his dog away, my dog was firmly latched
onto the other dogs ass, watching my dog get dragged
along the ground because he wouldn't let go was classic.

-ARIES

lol, that is a good story. reminds me of when my dog and my neighbors dog were locked in a death grip, each wrapping their bodes around each other and holding onto each other's necks. they're both lab/pit mixes, and very similar in size and looks.

my instinct was to lift/pick up my dog off the other dog, which i tried to do. but the other dog was so clamped onto mine, he just held on and i ended up picking them both up (dunno where i got the strength to do that, maybe protective daddy love).

i agree, hand in mouth ain't good, but will respectfully disagree on if/when it could be ever useful - guess it all depends on each circumstance and options, on what to do.

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RE: For Dog Walkers (Dog Attack Advice) - 8/2/2012 3:39:19 PM

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I'll have to try the lay down thing one day,
LadyC.... as much as I would love to accessorise
I don't think I can pull off the leather shoulder
bag look.

-ARIES

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RE: For Dog Walkers (Dog Attack Advice) - 8/2/2012 4:18:43 PM

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Have you compared kicking its side to kicking its head?

I've been taught to kick the side, using one of the larger contact areas, which has been effective for me. I was also cautioned that the dog moves its head so fast that it is too difficult to hit reliably. Admittedly, this was advice for defending oneself against a dog, but it's been useful in preventing one from attacking others. Quite simply put, if I actually hit it in the head with a kick, without holding back, I suspect a single impact would be lethal to a dog. Either from breaking the neck, or from the blow to the brain. Not that this would stop me, but I would prefer a nonlethal defense, if possible. It's about stopping it, after all.

Just to be clear, I'm not objecting to your suggestion, just curious.

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RE: For Dog Walkers (Dog Attack Advice) - 8/2/2012 5:09:08 PM

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Did you read the op? I said kicking the side
isn't as effective. done it plenty of times.

Yes a dog can dodge a kick very effectively
if you don't have a dog next to you that it's
focused on, this is advice for someone walking
a dog. The whole situation is based on that.

I'm a through hiker, bike rider, dog walker with
pretty tanked leg muscles and the dogs I kick
don't die...

Just read the op for what it is, if you don't have a
dog, most of it wont apply to you.

-ARIES

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RE: For Dog Walkers (Dog Attack Advice) - 8/2/2012 5:38:48 PM

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Did you read the op? I said kicking the side isn't as effective. done it plenty of times.

I read it, yes. I didn't see you saying you had done it plenty of times. Hence, being curious about it.

quote:

Yes a dog can dodge a kick very effectively if you don't have a dog next to you that it'sfocused on, this is advice for someone walkinga dog. The whole situation is based on that.

I got that. As I said, the advice I got wasn't for this situation. Hence, being curious about it.

quote:

I'm a through hiker, bike rider, dog walker with pretty tanked leg muscles and the dogs I kick don't die...

I'm not beefy. Just used to kicking from my MA days. Hence, being curious about it.

quote:

Just read the op for what it is, if you don't have a dog, most of it wont apply to you.

I've had dogs. Used to spend four hours a day walking them. Might get a dog again one day. Occasionally walk other people's dogs.

Which makes it applicable. Hence, again, being curious about it.

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RE: For Dog Walkers (Dog Attack Advice) - 8/3/2012 3:48:15 AM

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I'll have to try the lay down thing one day,
LadyC.... as much as I would love to accessorise
I don't think I can pull off the leather shoulder
bag look.

-ARIES

Have a backpack, you can take that off your shoulder really fast, tell your dog to lay down (will take the pressure off the other dog, a dog who lays down is not a threat and your dog knows you're taking over as the pack leader) then stand in front of the dog. Most dogs aren't all that keen to bite humans and will hesitate a lot longer before they go for a human than a dog, but even in case they are, a good swing will pause them, they might try to sink their teeth in the backpack or handbag, which I prefer to sinking the teeth into me or my dogs and when they hold on to that, you can grab them by the scruff of the neck or collar and choke it until the dog is ready to roll on its back and show signs of submission (hopefully the owner will by then be there to take control), or with a small dog you can pick it up and toss it.

The additional benefit is, you tell your dog "DOWN", in quite a few cases the approaching, not friendly dog was so perplexed that it lay down as well, as it thought it was a command for it too. Tends to work better with dog sized dogs for some obscure reason and not so much with those barking rats. I'm a lot less weary with big dogs, they don't seem to have the Napoleon complex of the little yappers, and the small Terriers tend to get underneath a dog and try to rip the guts out. Had that happening over a year ago when some demented Jack Russel almost killed my male dog, bit the female and then did serious damage to my leg, I managed to kick the fucker into a canal (was a bit difficult because I was entangled in the leads of my dogs, so couldn't get a good swing with the bag), the owner then came at me yelling and threatening, since it was the same dog (off the lead) that had bitten them before my patience was rather short and the big bag connected with the owners head. Would have loved to drown that asshat in the canal, but unfortunately had to get the dogs to the vet ASAP. As luck would have it, while we were still in the process of sorting out the insurance for Alf, who had moved in with us only recently. Reported it to the police but they didn't find the dog or the owner, so we had the additional pleasure of a bill of 2K, a few hundred for a dog trainer who was working with us and other dogs to get them back to normal, so they wouldn't get dog aggression... Oh and I was hobbling and limping for a few weeks, because the little shit didn't just bite but the teeth were kinda sliding down my lower leg.

I'm now hardly ever walking them without a heavy bag or backpack, not going to risk that again.

I'm not overly paranoid when dogs bark and growl at each other a bit, that tends to happen that they happily sniff each other and then make a bit of noise, that just happens and doesn't result in bites, they then usually run off with each other for a game of chase, or ignore each other after they made their point, but a dog coming at me and my dogs with ears back, teeth exposed and snarling, I got the handbag ready and my dogs are on their bellies so the stomachs aren't exposed.

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RE: For Dog Walkers (Dog Attack Advice) - 8/3/2012 6:35:38 PM

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I hike several times a week in a state park . Though there are signs everywhere that dogs must be leashed, the park staff does absolutely no enforcement and it is a dog free-for-all.

My particular issue with these off-leash animals is they have been poking around in poison oak and then jump on me or rub against my legs in greeting. "Don't worry, she's friendly" are what the clueless owners say each and every time. I get severe PO almost by osmosis and long story short, I cannot be treated for it systemically with cortisone. A very bad case of it could require hospitalization.

You would not believe the crap I get for asking people to leash their dogs when I walk by on the trail, even when I explain my situation to them as though what will happen to me is MY fault when they are breaking the law off-leash. Everything from 'you're a f*cking bitch' to 'there's no poison oak up here' while the offender is standing right in it (hahahaha!!)

So instead of getting frustrated over the irresponsible owners, I now carry a squirt bottle full of bitter apple (available in pet stores) on my belt-pack. If I see a dog coming my way, I shout NO and squirt it in the face. The stuff is harmless to people and animals but it is perceived as terribly bitter and offensive to the dog. They run away whimpering with their tail between their legs.

Squirting the dog can freak out the owners, but tough tarantulas. There's nothing they can do since their dog wasn't harmed and bottom line is, they are breaking the law and I've got Ranger Rick on speed-dial. When someone had a word or two to say about his dog getting squirted I whipped out the phone and reported our location and what happened. That guy and his dog skeedaddled in a Manhattan Minute. When I saw him on the trail a few days later, his dog was on a leash and he politely stepped aside, waiting while I passed. I tipped my visor to him.

Btw, this tip is brought to you by a professional dog trainer in my area who consistently leashes her dogs and gets pissed when others don't.

There is always a squirt bottle of bitter apple hanging off her belt.

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RE: For Dog Walkers (Dog Attack Advice) - 8/3/2012 7:19:20 PM

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I'll have to try the lay down thing one day,

*Lie* down. Not *lay* down. No offence, but this is beginning to boil my scrotum.

ETA: Sorry, but there's only so much I can bear.

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RE: For Dog Walkers (Dog Attack Advice) - 8/3/2012 7:24:53 PM

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................... but this is beginning to boil my scrotum.

And how do you feel about that???

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RE: For Dog Walkers (Dog Attack Advice) - 8/3/2012 7:26:42 PM

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................... but this is beginning to boil my scrotum.

And how do you feel about that???

Unpleasantly boiled in the scrotal area.

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RE: For Dog Walkers (Dog Attack Advice) - 8/3/2012 7:34:15 PM

ARIES83

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tough tarantulas.

skewedaddled.

Manhattan Minute.

What a strange language do you speak!

Not to pick favourites but this post is my favourite
so far.
I keep my dog on the lead when I'm on the trail as
well, theres dogs and horse riders and stuff, it's just
easier.

I let him off to frolic in the bushes when I make camp,
but he's always close by and I camp a good distance
from the trail.
I like the bitter apple thing, I'd go a mini supersoaker
rather than a squirt bottle just for cools.

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