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HOUDINI1961 -> REMOTE BONDAGE with WEBCAM & KEY LOCKBOX. (8/1/2012 10:53:20 PM)

Is anyone on this site into this also? it met a Master online who was going to have it lock itself in shackles, cuffs or whatever the Master wanted. Then put the keys in a lockbox. The lockbox code would be changed online via webcam, so slave could not see the number.

Then slave would be locked up until the Master emailed it the code. it bought the lockbox and was ready to be locked up but then the Master had a death in the family.

Master wanted it to start out hands cuffed in front and go from there to many sets locked in front, to cuffs behind back, then to overnight in front, then behind and eventually hogcuffing.

Is anyone else into this as slave or Master?




DaddySatyr -> RE: REMOTE BONDAGE with WEBCAM & KEY LOCKBOX. (8/1/2012 10:56:32 PM)

What happens if there's a fire in its house and it cannot wake master and it dies in the fire?
 
 
 
Peace and comfort,
 
 
 
Michael




HOUDINI1961 -> RE: REMOTE BONDAGE with WEBCAM & KEY LOCKBOX. (8/1/2012 11:38:06 PM)

it is not chained to anything.




NiceButMeanGirl -> RE: REMOTE BONDAGE with WEBCAM & KEY LOCKBOX. (8/1/2012 11:48:38 PM)

That whole scenario sounds very wanky to me. I think that both it and it's Master have watched too much wanky porn.

NBMG




crazyml -> RE: REMOTE BONDAGE with WEBCAM & KEY LOCKBOX. (8/1/2012 11:59:27 PM)

Could master start with a keyboard lock, perhaps?




seekingreality -> RE: REMOTE BONDAGE with WEBCAM & KEY LOCKBOX. (8/2/2012 12:52:28 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: HOUDINI1961

Is anyone on this site into this also? it met a Master online who was going to have it lock itself in shackles, cuffs or whatever the Master wanted. Then put the keys in a lockbox. The lockbox code would be changed online via webcam, so slave could not see the number.

Then slave would be locked up until the Master emailed it the code. it bought the lockbox and was ready to be locked up but then the Master had a death in the family.

Master wanted it to start out hands cuffed in front and go from there to many sets locked in front, to cuffs behind back, then to overnight in front, then behind and eventually hogcuffing.

Is anyone else into this as slave or Master?



Sounds like a big bore to me, but whatever floats your boat.




DeviantlyD -> RE: REMOTE BONDAGE with WEBCAM & KEY LOCKBOX. (8/2/2012 12:54:23 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

What happens if there's a fire in its house and it cannot wake master and it dies in the fire?

Peace and comfort,

Michael




Dear OP,

I seldom agree with DaddySatyr, but he has made a spot on posting here.

Even if you aren't chained to anything, you are still in bondage and "shit happens". That's why you have people up for murder charges who have left their slaves in compromised, bound positions, only to return later and find them dead. One such death happened when a bound slave suffocated when the cloth gag ended up getting wedged in his throat. His Mistress wasn't there to guard and protect him while he was in such a position and through her neglect and his ultimate trust in her, he paid the ultimate price. I heard about that one at a Jay Wiseman seminar. He's been around for a long time and has been an expert witness in many criminal trials with elements of kink to the crime, before becoming an attorney himself. His advice? Anyone who is bound up should never be left alone. Too many unforeseen things can go wrong. He may sound overly cautious, but given his background, I think he's giving prudent advice.

In answer to your question, no, I'm not into it. I'd rather have the elaborate stuff in real life - not online. That and the strong possibility of too many things going wrong doing what you describe. Why not get involved with someone locally instead? Good luck!






SexyThoughts -> RE: REMOTE BONDAGE with WEBCAM & KEY LOCKBOX. (8/2/2012 3:05:43 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: HOUDINI1961

it is not chained to anything.


Who says you need to be chained to anything to die?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2182204/Sean-Rigg-death-Police-contributed-death-mentally-ill-karate-expert-hog-tied-position-restricts-breathing.html
"Southwark Coroner’s Court was told the ‘hog-tied’ position poses a serious risk of positional asphyxia as it restricts a person’s ability to breath."

"In another exchange Mr Thomas asked PC Andrew Birks: ‘I am going to suggest to you that you put Mr Rigg in the foot well, in the prone position and that explains the injuries on his face, and because of his height he was put with his legs bent up, touching his buttocks.’
PC Birks replied: ‘I don’t accept that.’
Mr Thomas: ‘If you had put him in that position it would have been quite wrong...it would have be a gross dereliction of your duty, officer, do you accept that?’
‘It is a hypothetical question, but yes, it would have been a dereliction of my duty,’ PC Birks said.
"

http://esinem.com/articles/safety/positional-asphyxia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postural_asphyxia

And there's also deep vein thrombosis or restricted blood flow leading to permanent nerve damage.


"He was seen by a doctor, before being taken to hospital by ambulance but his condition deteriorated and he died later that night."

And your "master" will save you long distance when you get into trouble, when an entire hospital can't save someone they can actually touch?
You do know the original Houdini did his stuff in front of an audience?

Humour us HOUDINI1961.

Your "master" cannot or decides not to give you the unlock code, what's the plan?

You drop the key where you can't reach it, what's the plan?

Your hands go numb in a hogtie, followed by your chest. How do you plan to self rescue?


TLDR: Your cyber "master" definitely isn't safe, and I'm not too sure on his sanity either.




myotherself -> RE: REMOTE BONDAGE with WEBCAM & KEY LOCKBOX. (8/2/2012 6:23:12 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: crazyml

Could master start with a keyboard lock, perhaps?


I love you ML! [:D]

Despite the nasally-projected coffee that I now have to clean off the computer




lizi -> RE: REMOTE BONDAGE with WEBCAM & KEY LOCKBOX. (8/2/2012 9:03:03 AM)

If your online Master wants to do this, I'd question whether or not he knows anything about BDSM and the things he is proposing to do. Anyone who has authority over someone else should take that a bit more seriously and not ask the person obeying him to do things that will put themselves in a situation of imminent bodily harm in order for them both to get their rocks off. Too many variables and dangers in the situation you described for it to be safe enough to practice, a Master should know that. The person you are talking to does not seem to be a Master of anything but his own fantasies.

Prolonged immobility will cause definite nerve and muscular damage as well as the danger already mentioned of developing a thrombus in an extremity. It will happen. Whether it is temporary or not is up to the situation and time involved, do you really want to risk losing function or even your life (because a thrombus that dislodges and moves will probably end up in your brain, heart, or lungs as an embolism) in order to please a idiot who doesn't know any better? Now that you know better, you have no excuse to defer to someone with less knowledge than what you currently have. If you want textbook references I'd be happy to give them to you as it's an area I am currently being certified in within the medical field.




Delilya -> RE: REMOTE BONDAGE with WEBCAM & KEY LOCKBOX. (8/2/2012 10:00:46 AM)

Some things are better left to fantasy, this is one.




HOUDINI1961 -> RE: REMOTE BONDAGE with WEBCAM & KEY LOCKBOX. (8/2/2012 12:26:18 PM)

WOW! Never expected all this gloom and doom. Thought I'd get more "Cool, I'm into it too!".

it should have stated the whole thing would be a progression.

Starting with handcuffs in front an hour or two during the day here and there. Then behind the back, etc. Working up to a possible hogtie.

it would not do a hogtie overnight, if ever, if it did not have some experience with it during the day for a short period of time. it also wants to build up trust with this Master also.

And it would NEVER be gagged for this.

Guess it should have been more clear since everyone seems to be calling it an idiot of sorts.

Part of the intrigue for it is that it is no way out bondage, that's it. Not many tops/Masters out there who would stop at bondage/control without trying to F, torture, fist, etc. the slave, if the slave was with them in person. Why would a Master just tie someone up in real time? What does he get out of it?

Also this way, it does not have to worry about what the Master looks like, smells like(cigarettes, etc.) It is more or less self bondage, where there is no way out until the Master gives it the code. Like it said before, it would have to trust this Master bigtime. It has this Master's emails, phone number, Skype, etc. already.




poise -> RE: REMOTE BONDAGE with WEBCAM & KEY LOCKBOX. (8/2/2012 12:32:41 PM)

Offering you safety advice while you are in the throws of some fantasy does have a way of
coming across as gloom and doom. However, you seemed extremely focussed on the pleasure
of the act itself, without appearing to think of the many "what ifs".

Sure, this could be fun for me, but it certainly wont be done with some stranger half way
across the world, regardless of how many phone calls / skype sessions I've had.
I would seriously consider reading everyone's posts again, specifically SexyThoughts.
We aren't knocking your kink, but hopefully knocking a little more common sense and
concern for safety into your fantasy.




HOUDINI1961 -> RE: REMOTE BONDAGE with WEBCAM & KEY LOCKBOX. (8/2/2012 12:32:45 PM)

Forgot to mention. it has spent the night in Hiatt cuffs in front and also Clejuso's in front. The 3 pound Clejuso's are the ones the Master wants it to use. They are smooth and won't hurt the wrists and will be double locked to avoid closure.




sexyred1 -> RE: REMOTE BONDAGE with WEBCAM & KEY LOCKBOX. (8/2/2012 4:20:22 PM)

I must be missing something. If someone's hands are tied behind their back, how could they obtain an email with some code to unlock the cuffs? Huh?

In any case, this sounds so boring to me; I don't do this kinky stuff to myself, I like people being in the room with me doing it to me.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: REMOTE BONDAGE with WEBCAM & KEY LOCKBOX. (8/2/2012 6:17:33 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: HOUDINI1961

Is anyone on this site into this also? it met a Master online who was going to have it lock itself in shackles, cuffs or whatever the Master wanted. Then put the keys in a lockbox. The lockbox code would be changed online via webcam, so slave could not see the number.

Then slave would be locked up until the Master emailed it the code. it bought the lockbox and was ready to be locked up but then the Master had a death in the family.

Master wanted it to start out hands cuffed in front and go from there to many sets locked in front, to cuffs behind back, then to overnight in front, then behind and eventually hogcuffing.

Is anyone else into this as slave or Master?


Remote bondage.

As in.....not there....

Uhmmmmmm......lemme think......it's coming to me.....uhhhh......

No.




Kaiel -> RE: REMOTE BONDAGE with WEBCAM & KEY LOCKBOX. (8/2/2012 7:24:38 PM)

I got bored... reading all the explanations... jeez!




SexyThoughts -> RE: REMOTE BONDAGE with WEBCAM & KEY LOCKBOX. (8/3/2012 4:23:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: HOUDINI1961
WOW! Never expected all this gloom and doom. Thought I'd get more "Cool, I'm into it too!".

If we didn't give a shit about you, we'd be saying "go for it". Just because you don't like the risks, doesn't mean they magically don't exist. And the whole point of handcuffs is they stay locked, no matter what thoughts are in your head.
quote:


it should have stated the whole thing would be a progression.

So you're progressing from safe to dangerous, and we point out the dangerous bit, and your reply is it's a progression so it starts off safe... the whole thing must be safe? I'm not sure that's a reassuring answer.

The problem with progressions, like sloping swimming pools, is that once you get too deep and you've removed your ability to swim, you need someone to rescue you.
quote:


Starting with handcuffs in front an hour or two during the day here and there. Then behind the back, etc.
Working up to a possible hogtie.
it would not do a hogtie overnight, if ever, if it did not have some experience with it during the day for a short period of time. it also wants to build up trust with this Master also.

As the problem is the hogtie, unless you're a vampire, the time of day you're hogtied isn't the issue.
OK, and what happens if your master breaks your trust when you're hogtied? Or your internet goes out?
quote:


And it would NEVER be gagged for this.

Will your neighbours rescue you if you wheeze for help?
quote:


Guess it should have been more clear since everyone seems to be calling it an idiot of sorts. Part of the intrigue for it is that it is no way out bondage, that's it.

Being safe, means having a way out. As the unanswered question went, what happens if you need someone else onsite to get you out?
quote:


Not many tops/Masters out there who would stop at bondage/control without trying to F, torture, fist, etc. the slave, if the slave was with them in person.

Maybe in the cyber world it's nothing but sex. But in the real world, you can probably find a someone who'll do it for practical stuff, if you mow their lawn or demonstrate some form of added value to their lives. A lot of people own leashed dogs that they don't fuck or torture, to get their enjoyment from their company. Don't over estimate your real world sex appeal.
quote:


Why would a Master just tie someone up in real time? What does he get out of it?

I'm going to go out on limb and say you've never been to a Shibari demonstration in your life, have you?
Other reasons
Because they're trading something you like for something they'll like later on?
Because a restrained subbie getting off on the restraint, is asymmetric kink for the other person. They can catch up on their paperwork, read books, do stuff other than kink
quote:


Also this way, it does not have to worry about what the Master looks like, smells like(cigarettes, etc.) It is more or less self bondage, where there is no way out until the Master gives it the code. Like it said before, it would have to trust this Master bigtime. It has this Master's emails, phone number, Skype, etc. already.

Awesome, all those contact details mean shit if he says No. Or he hasn't paid his bills and loses power. Or his mother kicks him off the computer.

In business there's a billion dollar phrase to learn when you manage. Genchi Genbutsu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genchi_Genbutsu
It means when you're in charge of something, you have to go there to really understand. it. It applies to small things as well as big things




searching4mysir -> RE: REMOTE BONDAGE with WEBCAM & KEY LOCKBOX. (8/3/2012 6:17:24 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: HOUDINI1961

Also this way, it does not have to worry about what the Master looks like, smells like(cigarettes, etc.) It is more or less self bondage, where there is no way out until the Master gives it the code. Like it said before, it would have to trust this Master bigtime. It has this Master's emails, phone number, Skype, etc. already.



So if it is "more or less self-bondage", why bother with an actual person?




lizi -> RE: REMOTE BONDAGE with WEBCAM & KEY LOCKBOX. (8/3/2012 6:18:04 AM)

Another excellent post above me from SexyThoughts. More gloom and doom to follow now...

OP, there are a shit ton of people who read these forums. Most of them engage in some BDSM practices or are thinking of it. Some of them have lots of experience, some not. We don't like anyone reading to get the idea that all the things they read here are safe to do- unless they are. If something is not on the safer side of things, people generally speak up so everyone knows there is risk involved. The whole idea of BDSM involves some risk, we all know this, but it's nice to be able to do it another day without being irreparably maimed. Sorry you thought it was a place like a tots softball game where everyone gets cheered wildly for just making it up to the plate to bat. We're adults engaging in real life practices that can hurt someone, we like everyone to know what they are risking and how to do it as safely as possible.

It's obvious by your attitude you don't know shit about what you'd like to do, it would be irresponsible for anyone with real life knowledge wishing to post on this thread to simply cheer you on. Of course you always get the people who say "I've done x, y, and z for years and never had any problems!" Which might be true and the next time they do it they'll have an oops moment. I'm willing to bet that David Carradine had a lot of auto-erotic asphyxiation experiences up till the one where he died as a result.

You saying that you're building up to the scenarios you explained is useless, because the scenarios involve unsafe elements. It doesn't matter if you build up to them or not. That's just stupid to think that locking yourself up for longer periods of time eliminates the danger, magically changes the human body into something that now tolerates new limits, and that with practice all the risk of doing it alone is now whisked away.

Carry on with your plan if you want to. One thing though....not one person came in to say they were into it to as you thought might happen. What might that say about your situation? So every person that expressed concern here is just full of gloominess? Really? I don't see anyone lining up on the other side of it except for yourself. Something to think about...





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