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lizi -> RE: Deep soul searching?? (8/6/2012 2:35:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ohsobroken

Thanks so much for your response, and we did discuss an increase in his intensity, i just dont want him to be something he isnt ya know? He is very laid back and loving, but i need stricter, more demanding..and i would hate for him to "pretend" to be more intense and strict when it isnt in him.



I understand this and it's why I decided to stick it out as I really cared for him and it would have been kind of play acting on his part to push up the intensity - I really don't want play acting. I can be extremely patient and wait things out, so I did, and lo and behold if things didn't end up agreeing with me in the end. You know...he has his moments. Very hot, strict, I'm the boss moments. Your example of him giving into sex because you wanted it is kind of like us- he'd probably do that for me because he indulges me quite a bit. Then again when I was badly hurt and recuperating, and decided I wanted some action, he put a quick and forceful stop to that because he didn't think it was wise, and it almost led to him disciplining me- a big thing for us since that's never happened. He was pissed and he pulled the Dom card on me and it's not the only time. I decided I didn't like pushing him and I don't think i ever did again. Even though our dynamic may not be the usual level of D/s (whatever that is), it works well for us in the end as I've found out. I guess I didn't need the intensity after all.

In the end my guy is who he is. I see him as Dominant. I might push a bit sometimes, and sometimes he lets me, and other times he doesn't. It's enough for me and keeps me on my toes an agreeable amount in my book. Underneath it all I know he's watching and that he's in charge, I feel that. I don't feel as though he is just engaging when he feels like it in a lazy manner, its more like he does it all the time, he just does it in his way, and I had to adapt to that way and I have. We have D and s, we have a leader and a follower, we are free to be who we are, and we have a good flow between us. I think it's a good deal, it might not suit someone else and that's fine.

With him I didn't get what I set out for, the more stereotypical arrogant Dom, I got him instead. I found that I won out in that situation. He calls me to sing to me, he buys me pop tarts because I'm mad for them, he brings me taco bell hot sauce packets that say silly things on them that remind him of me, he asks me where I want to eat, and he checks in to see if my sons have called lately because he likes hearing me be all happy if they have. Then he beats my ass in bed, holds me accountable to high standards in school, tells me when to take a day off, tells me when to suck it up and quit whining, and instructs me to get my overweight self to the gym so he'll have me around for posterity. It's a mix that I wasn't sure about, but have ended up being very happy with.

Try out whatever your guy is willing to work on and see if it goes where you want. Sometimes you find something else in the process. Sometimes you go backwards, sometimes you find nirvana. Hard to tell till you do it, just be careful what you ask for and where you go -sometimes it can be a regret. Sometimes things change with time. I don't know, it's all kind of a crapshoot, but communication usually makes it work out all right in the end wherever you end up.




DarkSteven -> RE: Deep soul searching?? (8/6/2012 3:47:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lizi

JMO and all that doodah, but 'breaking' a sub is utter crap. Why people think they have to do this is incomprehensible to me. Maybe it's a porn leftover or something from an old old European BDSM House fairy tale book or something, but it pops up now and then and every time it does, it screams "I don't know what I'm doing" to me. As soon as I see that pop up, I lose all respect for the Dominant that believes in it.



Hell, at my age we're all semi-broken anyway.

Seriously, I agree with my girlfriend lizi. It's far easier to just get a sub who is what I want, than to destroy her personality and rebuild her. Even if I DID do it right, it'd be a tremendous amount of work and no guarantee it would work. My analogy is that if I go to the store and buy apples, that makes me no less Dominant than the guy who goes to the store and tries to make oranges become apples by sheer force of will.




ohsobroken -> RE: Deep soul searching?? (8/6/2012 4:16:43 PM)

Thanks Lizi and i will do just that :)




OsideGirl -> RE: Deep soul searching?? (8/6/2012 4:28:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
It's far easier to just get a sub who is what I want, than to destroy her personality and rebuild her. Even if I DID do it right, it'd be a tremendous amount of work and no guarantee it would work.


I've always found that to be the kink version of "I love you, now change". Why in the world would I want to be with someone that didn't love what I bring to the table?




Kana -> RE: Deep soul searching?? (8/6/2012 9:23:57 PM)

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O, i dont think he intended to have sex with me, but it progressed. I thought he would be more in control of his urges. And because he didnt stop it, i asked for sex and he gave it to me..but is that putting my own need before his? Is having a strong sexual attraction to your Dom or sub a bad thing?


The key word here is ask.
She can ask me for almost anything....as long as she understands and accepts that I get final say-so. She can ask to fuck post play. And if I want to, if I feel the urge, then we will. But it's on my terms, not hers.

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I've always found that to be the kink version of "I love you, now change". Why in the world would I want to be with someone that didn't love what I bring to the table?


It's absolutely grossly unfair to all parties concerned to fall in love with someone's potential.




ohsobroken -> RE: Deep soul searching?? (8/6/2012 9:48:53 PM)

How do you teach your sub to have self control? This is something that i lack and id like to work on this.




Kana -> RE: Deep soul searching?? (8/6/2012 9:58:43 PM)

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How do you teach your sub to have self control? This is something that i lack and id like to work on this.


When the pain of the problem outweighs the fear of the solution, then change can commence....




ohsobroken -> RE: Deep soul searching?? (8/6/2012 10:01:29 PM)

Oohh..so by punishment?




chemeli -> RE: Deep soul searching?? (8/6/2012 10:06:06 PM)

only a guess here...........but the motivation to please should maybe be enough to encourage you to have more control over yourself? Example, he'd want me to be less messy around the house.....i'm guessing it would be a pleasure to be more careful with the cleaning and the laundry or dust as i would make them for him? so therefore.....a kind of .... training in itself? for you to be more careful about how you carry yourself?

just a guess.




Kana -> RE: Deep soul searching?? (8/6/2012 10:14:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ohsobroken

Oohh..so by punishment?

Consequences. It can be a raised eyebrow, a tone of voice, a talk, a "You disappointed me, I expected much better from you," or it could be physical punishment... but generally I interact with women who submit because that's what they wanna do. I don't do power struggles. I don't do see-saw relationships. I express my desires and they either obey or pay the price...and if they disobey too much I'm gonna split because at that point, whatever we're doing, it ain't what I call D/S.




ohsobroken -> RE: Deep soul searching?? (8/6/2012 10:19:49 PM)

Ok makes sense. Thank You.




CHF73 -> RE: Deep soul searching?? (8/6/2012 10:56:03 PM)

This is a very interesting thread indeed. :)




ARIES83 -> RE: Deep soul searching?? (8/7/2012 3:45:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kana

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How do you teach your sub to have self control? This is something that i lack and id like to work on this.


When the pain of the problem outweighs the fear of the solution, then change can commence....


Heh punishment... I was more thinking that summed
the issue of global fossil fuel dependance and the
spiralling cost both in money and environmental
problems due to the increasingly elaborate means
being utilised to develop harder to access oil deposits
before the current wells run dry.
When we already know how to make electric cars...

But I suppose it holds true for a lot of things!
Well said Kana.

My feelings have already been covered by other
posters, but this thread was a very good read.

Good luck with it OhSoBroken.

-ARIES







kalikshama -> RE: Deep soul searching?? (8/7/2012 6:35:04 AM)

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My analogy is that if I go to the store and buy apples, that makes me no less Dominant than the guy who goes to the store and tries to make oranges become apples by sheer force of will.


It does make you smarter though!




kalikshama -> RE: Deep soul searching?? (8/7/2012 6:41:32 AM)

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O, i dont think he intended to have sex with me, but it progressed. I thought he would be more in control of his urges. And because he didnt stop it, i asked for sex and he gave it to me..but is that putting my own need before his? Is having a strong sexual attraction to your Dom or sub a bad thing?


Due to all your questions on this thread I strongly encourage you to read some non fiction before you engage in any more BDSM. Here's a booklist: http://www.collarchat.com/m_1726118/tm.htm




kalikshama -> RE: Deep soul searching?? (8/7/2012 6:44:52 AM)

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JMO and all that doodah, but 'breaking' a sub is utter crap. Why people think they have to do this is incomprehensible to me. Maybe it's a porn leftover or something from an old old European BDSM House fairy tale book or something, but it pops up now and then and every time it does, it screams "I don't know what I'm doing" to me. As soon as I see that pop up, I lose all respect for the Dominant that believes in it.

Is there a secret handbook out there somewhere that talks about 'breaking' your s type? Where the hell does this actually come from? Honestly with the absolute winners on the profile side of CM, I wouldn't trust any one of them to mess with my psyche. Is your basic Dominant ok to fuck with the programming of your personality/mind? I'd say not. A situational scene mind fuck is a different animal. Giving yourself a self-applied title like Dominant isn't equal to having a psychology degree.

The standard line is "why would you want to break your toys?" when it comes to the subject of 'breaking' your submissive, and I agree with that.


Did it come from "Story of O?" It's been a long time since I read that.




ohsobroken -> RE: Deep soul searching?? (8/7/2012 6:50:23 AM)

I just had to know if what i was experiencing was "normal" newbie behavior. I want to be the best sub i can be for Him and these things are my problem areas so to speak.




ohsobroken -> RE: Deep soul searching?? (8/7/2012 6:58:32 AM)

i have no clue where it comes from, but a lot of Doms that ive come in contact with- NOT MINE! Feel that when a sub has a bad behavior or is lacking in some areas, they " break" them of that to mold them into whatever they see fit. I figured id ask to see if a) it was effictive b) what it was, and c) what were the side effects. It seems like something that should never be messed with and almost like an excuse to not put forth effort




DesFIP -> RE: Deep soul searching?? (8/7/2012 7:10:29 AM)

Had you agreed to play only and then he made it sexual when you were too fuzzy to think straight? Or did you both decide to move into a sexual relationship?

Because lots of us have sex with our partners. Part of a full relationship. Sometimes we go to a movie, sometimes we have sex, sometimes we have play. And so on.




OsideGirl -> RE: Deep soul searching?? (8/7/2012 7:19:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ohsobroken

i have no clue where it comes from, but a lot of Doms that ive come in contact with- NOT MINE! Feel that when a sub has a bad behavior or is lacking in some areas, they " break" them of that to mold them into whatever they see fit.


And most of them are giving themselves far too much credit.

1) For change to be effective, the subject needs to want to change....for themselves. Changing for someone else rarely works.

2) If a Dominant wishes to effect change, they need to make sure that the submissive has the tools to succeed.




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