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Aswad -> RE: Dehumanisation (8/15/2012 6:40:33 PM)
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ORIGINAL: JeffBC
It's just I think of humans as animals so no need for me to "dehumanize" to get all bestial.
Define bestial?
You touch on an interesting point. For most people, there is a moral divide, an ability to alienate, distance, seperate. Humans have the ability to be utter shits with each other when the other party is outside your sphere of consideration, i.e. is subhuman in your eyes. Think casteless, unclean, that sort of thing. The Jews, the Armenians, or Nanking. When you are morally free to do as you wish because this contemptible creature is exempt from your moral concerns, beneath your compassion and undeserving of justice in your eyes. When laws are irritating inconveniences that add the risk of a cost to abuses that are their just deserts, and hard limits are whispers on the wind.
Can you go there together? Can you come back unchanged? Can she?
What I outlined above is the face of humanity in general when beholding the dehumanized, but the description is of an outcome, and not the only outcome. It just happens to appear to be the common outcome. Which raises the question of whether one dares explore this extreme fringe of the human psyche, as a sort of final frontier of tearing down the practical boundaries between having slavery beyond suspense of disbelief (the penultimate frontier, I guess you could say) and having the classic sense of the word. It's probably not a healthy place for most to go, and probably not a healthy place to take most partners, but it's certainly interesting.
To use the buried reptilian functions that allow us to divorce someone completely from their humanity and thus reveal ourselves to each other in a stark naked manner that strips away a layer of innocence as so much shed skin, hoping we can live with what we find. It should be a troubling prospect for any healthy dom, and a terrifying one to a healthy sub or slave. If you're the wrong kind of person at heart, and complete the transition, the outcome may very well be fatal. If you're the right kind of person, it may result in becoming even closer.
Dehumanization strikes me as something very different from objectification.
The latter, I'm quite fond of.
BitaTrouble covered one sense and aspect, so I'll present (rehash) another angle.
I distinctly recall a conversation with a highly intelligent young man on these boards, or maybe in PM, where I discussed the use of objectification in establishing a certain mindset in an M/s relationship. The specific example was human urinals, something which is generally more convenient for a dom than a domme, due to the physiology. A woman can do it while standing with no problem, if the slave has learned to receive. A man can do the deep throat thing and bypass any need for the slave to be able to swallow at a natural speed, something which is crucial to the example and takes training.
In the example, it is the act of using the slave for convenience, as an object, performing a function, without regard for how the act may be humiliating, disgusting and demanding all at once. For a guy, at least, it really is convenient. The slave is a superior urinal, once trained, or if using the deep throat technique and s/he is able to recover quietly without aftercare. It's more comfortable and more available. You're watching a TV show, posting on CM, doing a conference call or wrapping up some work at the home and you need to take a leak. So you call your slave over and empty your bladder, then s/he leaves. No need to stop what you happen to be doing. A nice touch if you're into the bit about humiliation is to have the slave gently pat it with some hair to dry off any saliva etc., particularly since many people are quite attached to their hair. Once you're both used to it, the act becomes natural to both of you. As an objectification fetishist, I find it a sort of erotic ideal (i.e. fantasy) to get to the point where one doesn't even get erect from it, nor end up thinking about a blowjob, despite a pair of soft lips wrapped around your shaft.
Obviously, it isn't for everyone, but I would think at least any male dom with a sub and a shared interest in- or curiosity about- the objectification thing could stand to try the deep throat version as a way to explore what it feels like for both parties without dealing with all the unpleasantness of learning to swallow quickly and dealing with a salty, lukewarm fluid with a distinct aftertaste. Yes, it's one of those things where I've gone the "let's know what I'm asking them to do" route, though I haven't tried shoving anything into my throat to do it (I can deep throat, but the logistics of any realistic simulation are nearly intractable).
If anyone does try it out, I would advise keeping a towel or bucket on hand. Vomiting is unlikely, but the stomach will respond to a significant quantity of liquid with a high salt content and some people are more sensitive than others. I experienced retching once but never vomiting, but I have no idea how I compare to others on this point. If nothing else, having a towel and/or bucket nearby will relieve some stress because it'll be okay if things don't turn out as well as one hopes. As a sidebar, for which this is hardly the place, but which bears repeating just in case, anyone adopting such a practice for any extended period of time positively must test the kidney function of the slave periodically, and increase water intake to compensate for the salt load.
I'm almost expecting some amusing dialogue between Kana and littlewonder now. [:D]
Anyway, yeah, interesting topic (thanks, Aries).
IWYW,
— Aswad.
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