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re the 5 to 10 mil, and last extinction 35 mil timeline...assuming that's true, that leaves, what, roughly a few billion more years for many other cycles to have occurred? there's no debate that we just don't know much about earth's earlier history. mea culpa and sorry, not gonna link it, call it my opinion if you wish.

re satellites finding remote spots, so what? my rebuttal stands - we're just NOW using tech to find sites that have been there waiting to be re-discovered. so the jury is most definitely NOT in, and it's not as cut and dried as you make it seem.

Yes it is that cut and dried.

These are facts, no significant land mass has been destroyed/subducted/hit by meteor during the existence of the any animals that could be remotely called human. Probably the biggest such, and the likely source of the Atlantis myth, is the Thera volcano and we know quite a lot about the town that was there..

While we may have lost small settlements and isolated structures there is absolutely no evidence to support the idea that some technologically advanced culture existed and then was wiped out/disappeared. Technology is a stepwise series of advances with each generation building on the advances and infrastructure of the previous. So a miraculous culture thousands of years in advance of its neighbors is simply unreasonable. Why would its technology not have spread? How could they develop such wthout having many settlements and many people studying the sciences and the infrastructure to support such?

Consider modern civilization. Even if every one of us died right now it would be many millions of years before all the obviously artificial causeways, canals and road cuts would erode away. And even then future archaeologists would still find unmistakable traces of our civilization. Our many dump sites would be obviously artificial and the plastic materials in them would last essentially forever.

see bolded - yes, so we agree. we're working on a time scale of BILLIONS (around 4.5?) for the age of the earth. i guess we can disagree.

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re tech building on itself - plenty of ideas were lost for hundreds of years. we have not only evidence, but proof - Babylon Battery.

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re no evidence - that's simply not true. there are reams of EVIDENCE. now, if you want to say that's not PROOF, i would agree.

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plenty of ideas were lost for hundreds of years. we have not only evidence, but proof - Babylon Battery.

Hate to burst your bubble but it's not a battery. It is a vessel that held a copper scroll.

http://archyfantasies.wordpress.com/2012/06/22/the-10-most-not-so-puzzling-ancient-artifacts-the-baghdad-battery/

that's ONE person's theory!

lol, burst my bubble? you seem so invested in being right - sometimes i have to wonder if you're fer real.

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as for faster than SOL, i was being flippant, but had thought i wouldn't need a sign to say so.

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as for faster than SOL, i was being flippant, but had thought i wouldn't need a sign to say so.

And apparently so do i if you thought one iota of the horseshit i was jesting with was in the LEAST bit serious!! Jeesh!!

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic
re the 5 to 10 mil, and last extinction 35 mil timeline...assuming that's true, that leaves, what, roughly a few billion more years for many other cycles to have occurred? there's no debate that we just don't know much about earth's earlier history. mea culpa and sorry, not gonna link it, call it my opinion if you wish.

re satellites finding remote spots, so what? my rebuttal stands - we're just NOW using tech to find sites that have been there waiting to be re-discovered. so the jury is most definitely NOT in, and it's not as cut and dried as you make it seem.

Yes it is that cut and dried.

These are facts, no significant land mass has been destroyed/subducted/hit by meteor during the existence of the any animals that could be remotely called human. Probably the biggest such, and the likely source of the Atlantis myth, is the Thera volcano and we know quite a lot about the town that was there..

While we may have lost small settlements and isolated structures there is absolutely no evidence to support the idea that some technologically advanced culture existed and then was wiped out/disappeared. Technology is a stepwise series of advances with each generation building on the advances and infrastructure of the previous. So a miraculous culture thousands of years in advance of its neighbors is simply unreasonable. Why would its technology not have spread? How could they develop such wthout having many settlements and many people studying the sciences and the infrastructure to support such?

Consider modern civilization. Even if every one of us died right now it would be many millions of years before all the obviously artificial causeways, canals and road cuts would erode away. And even then future archaeologists would still find unmistakable traces of our civilization. Our many dump sites would be obviously artificial and the plastic materials in them would last essentially forever.

see bolded - yes, so we agree. we're working on a time scale of BILLIONS (around 4.5?) for the age of the earth. i guess we can disagree.

So you're positing a previous advanced civilization for a previously unknow species that predates the hominids? You have no evidence and won't ever have any because that is simply impossible.

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re tech building on itself - plenty of ideas were lost for hundreds of years. we have not only evidence, but proof - Babylon Battery.

Oops you believed woo.
http://www.badarchaeology.com/?page_id=208#
http://archyfantasies.wordpress.com/2012/06/22/the-10-most-not-so-puzzling-ancient-artifacts-the-baghdad-battery/

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re no evidence - that's simply not true. there are reams of EVIDENCE. now, if you want to say that's not PROOF, i would agree.

present what you think is the best evidence for an advanced non hominid technological civilization.

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

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plenty of ideas were lost for hundreds of years. we have not only evidence, but proof - Babylon Battery.

Hate to burst your bubble but it's not a battery. It is a vessel that held a copper scroll.

http://archyfantasies.wordpress.com/2012/06/22/the-10-most-not-so-puzzling-ancient-artifacts-the-baghdad-battery/

that's ONE person's theory!

lol, burst my bubble? you seem so invested in being right - sometimes i have to wonder if you're fer real.

I'm a figment of your imagination, just like your thought that the jar is a battery and the thoughts you've given on this thread.

But me, I'll take information from experienced, renowned scientists over conspiracy theory buffs and ufologists.

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After digging to a depth of 100 meters last year, Japanese scientists found traces of copper wire dating back 1000 years and came to the conclusion that their ancestors already had a telephone network one thousand years ago.

Not to be outdone in the weeks that followed, Chinese scientists dug 200 meters and headlines in the Chinese papers read: "Chinese scientists have found traces of 2000 year old optical fibers and have concluded that their ancestors already had advanced high-tech digital telephone 1000 years earlier than the Japanese."

One week later, the Greek newspapers reported thefollowing: "After digging as deep as 800 meters, Greek scientists have found absolutely nothing." They have concluded that 3000 years ago, their ancestors were already using wireless technology.

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Saying "enough fuel to power it to travel faster than the speed of light" while speaking about weight ratios makes it sound like you think a certain quantity of fuel will help achieve a certain speed. However, since the speed of light cannot be exceeded in the first place by material traversal (a thing with velocity can never go faster than light), the barrier must have been broken by a different energy manipulation such as setting up an ion-quantum fold structure. As we all know, this "mechanism" (heh, archaic terminology, like SIP "dialing") can be initiated by a pen laser and a few atoms of antimatter suspended in hydrogen the size of a walnut.

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what boggles my simple mind, is why you would automatically presume there were not such civilizations, sorta like presuming the earth is flat because that's all you can see from the ground.

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that's really weird how you jump from anything i've posted to "conspiracy theory buffs and ufologists".

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ORIGINAL: Rule

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what boggles my simple mind, is why you would automatically presume there were not such civilizations, sorta like presuming the earth is flat because that's all you can see from the ground.

DomKen is a genuine dominant as a consequence of the configuration of his mind.

Some people - like myself and dominants and submissives - excell in some intellectual functions, but are limited in others.

You, in my analysis being a natural slave, have a mind that is more complex, conferring additional cognitive abilities.

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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic
that's really weird how you jump from anything i've posted to "conspiracy theory buffs and ufologists".

She probably was referring to me. [8D] [;)]

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic
re the 5 to 10 mil, and last extinction 35 mil timeline...assuming that's true, that leaves, what, roughly a few billion more years for many other cycles to have occurred? there's no debate that we just don't know much about earth's earlier history. mea culpa and sorry, not gonna link it, call it my opinion if you wish.

re satellites finding remote spots, so what? my rebuttal stands - we're just NOW using tech to find sites that have been there waiting to be re-discovered. so the jury is most definitely NOT in, and it's not as cut and dried as you make it seem.

Yes it is that cut and dried.

These are facts, no significant land mass has been destroyed/subducted/hit by meteor during the existence of the any animals that could be remotely called human. Probably the biggest such, and the likely source of the Atlantis myth, is the Thera volcano and we know quite a lot about the town that was there..

While we may have lost small settlements and isolated structures there is absolutely no evidence to support the idea that some technologically advanced culture existed and then was wiped out/disappeared. Technology is a stepwise series of advances with each generation building on the advances and infrastructure of the previous. So a miraculous culture thousands of years in advance of its neighbors is simply unreasonable. Why would its technology not have spread? How could they develop such wthout having many settlements and many people studying the sciences and the infrastructure to support such?

Consider modern civilization. Even if every one of us died right now it would be many millions of years before all the obviously artificial causeways, canals and road cuts would erode away. And even then future archaeologists would still find unmistakable traces of our civilization. Our many dump sites would be obviously artificial and the plastic materials in them would last essentially forever.

see bolded - yes, so we agree. we're working on a time scale of BILLIONS (around 4.5?) for the age of the earth. i guess we can disagree.

So you're positing a previous advanced civilization for a previously unknow species that predates the hominids? You have no evidence and won't ever have any because that is simply impossible.

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re tech building on itself - plenty of ideas were lost for hundreds of years. we have not only evidence, but proof - Babylon Battery.

Oops you believed woo.
http://www.badarchaeology.com/?page_id=208#
http://archyfantasies.wordpress.com/2012/06/22/the-10-most-not-so-puzzling-ancient-artifacts-the-baghdad-battery/

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re no evidence - that's simply not true. there are reams of EVIDENCE. now, if you want to say that's not PROOF, i would agree.

present what you think is the best evidence for an advanced non hominid technological civilization.

see red color above. first you admit/realize, it's impossible to obtain "proof", let alone evidence, but then ask me for evidence :)

remember, that was the point of this thread, to speculate as well as submit "evidence". i do think there's reams of evidence for advanced cultures going back many thousands of years before, say the Egyptians. but yes, of course there wouldn't be evidence for much earlier civilizations going back millions of years. what boggles my simple mind, is why you would automatically presume there were not such civilizations, sorta like presuming the earth is flat because that's all you can see from the ground.