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RE: How do you teach a dogw ho's capable of going down ... - 8/15/2012 11:31:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		She's a 75 pound dog, the stairs are carpeted. There's 10-15 stairs if my horrible memory is right, with a landing between. You go up a few there's the landing, up a few more and then there you go. Second floor. And its well lit too.
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How big is the dog, what material covers the stairs, is it a whole flight or just a few?

Smaller dogs have to make a comparatively bigger jump, so it could be like asking you to jump off a house. They take longer to make peace with the fact that they're capable. Fewer stairs have carpet these days in favor of wood. Wood is slippery for furry paws, so that sliding on the landing, however subtle, can be petrifying. Looking down a long flight of stairs is also intimidating for dogs.

I suggest sitting on the stairs,close to their start, so its like they could only "fall" 1 or 2 stairs worth before landing on you. Once they do that correctly, repeat it at least three times rewarding them verbally and with treats if they like that. Every day work on 1 more step. I presume the dog is fine with going up stairs? They usually learn that faster because the instinct against falling isn't there. Try plopping the dog down in the middle of the staircase and doing the above. This robs them of feeling like they're jumping down from the safety of the upper floor. And they'll get bored/claustrophobic of "living" on that 1 step forever.




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RE: How do you teach a dogw ho's capable of going down ... - 8/15/2012 11:50:37 PM   
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Seriously, I agree with the idea of putting something they want (food) at the bottom of the stairs but, I think there's another issue, here.

Is the animal healthy? Does it have hip issues? Is the animal experiencing pain when it tries to get down the stairs?

I didn't read through the whole thread. I hope I wasn't repeating someone else and that I was helpful.



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RE: How do you teach a dogw ho's capable of going down ... - 8/15/2012 11:54:24 PM   
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I would show the dog an aerial photograph of how close the nearest Chinese restaurant is.

Seriously, I agree with the idea of putting something they want (food) at the bottom of the stairs but, I think there's another issue, here.
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Is the animal healthy? Does it have hip issues? Is the animal experiencing pain when it tries to get down the stairs?

I didn't read through the whole thread. I hope I wasn't repeating someone else and that I was helpful.



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RE: How do you teach a dogw ho's capable of going down ... - 8/16/2012 4:38:53 AM   
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You know, if the dog is able to get down the stairs simply put the food AND WATER downstairs and wait. It will happen.

If not bury this one and get another one. In fact tell this one that you intend to. "You can go down there and eat and drink, or die".

But then some people are not capable of "tough love".

Hey, don't get guilty over this, if they were down by the river or whatever, they wouldn't get shit.

Coddling animals is bullshit, just like kids. It doesn't work and it makes them fucked up. I know. I KNOW.

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Somebody must have coddled you a bit too much, or maybe dropped you upside down?

There is a difference between coddling an animal and not being cruel, some might need a bit longer... You don't throw a child into the water and say "Oh you best learn swimming or drown" or put an animal into a high stress situation, you get them used to it, slowly, or else they might end up fucked up - like you. I hope you don't have kids or animals, because if I would see you being a cruel jerk and calling it tough love, I would be very tempted to bury you!


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RE: How do you teach a dogw ho's capable of going down ... - 8/16/2012 4:44:41 AM   
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RE: How do you teach a dogw ho's capable of going down ... - 8/16/2012 10:32:08 AM   
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You know, if the dog is able to get down the stairs simply put the food AND WATER downstairs and wait. It will happen.

If not bury this one and get another one. In fact tell this one that you intend to. "You can go down there and eat and drink, or die".

But then some people are not capable of "tough love".

Hey, don't get guilty over this, if they were down by the river or whatever, they wouldn't get shit.

Coddling animals is bullshit, just like kids. It doesn't work and it makes them fucked up. I know. I KNOW.

Weed

"Tough Love" is not love. It is abuse.

Example : "You can go down there and eat and drink, or die".

Shame on you, Tumbleweed.

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RE: How do you teach a dogw ho's capable of going down ... - 8/16/2012 10:47:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have a dog that was afraid of stairs. I picked him up and put him in the middle of the staircase. I let him decide to go up or down. After 4 or 5 times he was going up and down the stairs like a pro.

Okay now that I have read the thread, up is no problem but down is where it is scared. I would block off 4 or 5 steps up with a kiddy gate or something put him on the stairs one or two steps up. And just watch. Dont cajole or lure him. Let him figure it out. Be totally calm. Dont feed his nervousness. Once he gets going down 1 or 2 steps, move the gate up and move him higher up the steps.

And if it comes to it put a leash on him and pull him down. Show no emotion if you have to do this. Don't yank him down the stairs but make it clear this is where he is going to go. Maybe have someone grab his front feet and put them on the stair below if hr really really refuses.

And praise and affection when he does it.

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RE: How do you teach a dogw ho's capable of going down ... - 8/16/2012 10:49:55 AM   
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RE: How do you teach a dogw ho's capable of going down ... - 8/16/2012 11:05:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tumblweed

You know, if the dog is able to get down the stairs simply put the food AND WATER downstairs and wait. It will happen.

If not bury this one and get another one. In fact tell this one that you intend to. "You can go down there and eat and drink, or die".

But then some people are not capable of "tough love".

Hey, don't get guilty over this, if they were down by the river or whatever, they wouldn't get shit.

Coddling animals is bullshit, just like kids. It doesn't work and it makes them fucked up. I know. I KNOW.

Weed

"Tough Love" is not love. It is abuse.

Example : "You can go down there and eat and drink, or die".

Shame on you, Tumbleweed.


I actually agree, that is abuse.

I wouldn't carry my dog down, but I didn't starve her either. I would sit at the bottom of the stairs and read a book. After a time, the longest being an hour, being where she could see me but not reach me, over rode her fear and she came down. After a few times, she was fine. If she hadn't come down on her own, I would not have let her starve.


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RE: How do you teach a dogw ho's capable of going down ... - 8/16/2012 12:31:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		In all seriousness..........in all my years volunteering at several different shelters. I have never EVER seen a dog that starved because it was intimidated by going up or down a flight of stairs. Not one.

It has been my experience, that dogs WILL however, sometimes go to extreme lengths, to get to food.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-VmAqDNszc

If a dog is too stupid to figure out how to get down a flight of stairs to get food when it is hungry.........it deserves to starve to death!

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RE: How do you teach a dogw ho's capable of going down ... - 8/16/2012 1:21:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dogs can actually be scared of heights just like humans, when we got girlie, she had been living in a bungalow, going upstairs was no problem but downstairs, she was terrified. Treats, sitting 3 stairs down, waiting, he inched closer, we repeated the procedure from the top floor to downstairs and she was fine after 2 days.

There's just no reason terrorizing a dog, you want them to trust you and not be dead scared of you.

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RE: How do you teach a dogw ho's capable of going down ... - 8/16/2012 1:33:38 PM   
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In all seriousness..........in all my years volunteering at several different shelters. I have never EVER seen a dog that starved because it was intimidated by going up or down a flight of stairs. Not one.

It has been my experience, that dogs WILL however, sometimes go to extreme lengths, to get to food.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-VmAqDNszc

If a dog is too stupid to figure out how to get down a flight of stairs to get food when it is hungry.........it deserves to starve to death!

I think there is a point being missed here.

Consider what the dog is being asked (TOLD!) to do. A Step is 11" wide and 8 1/2" tall. A dog larger than that has the unusual task of skwinching his paws together beneath and balancing on them to go from step to step. This, while the step above restricts his rear legs (CAN'T go that way) and while the stair below provides opportunity to fall. Do you know what happens when a... person... falls down stairs? So does a dog. Is there something about the dog being careful about falling down stars that is worthy of contempt? This, without regard to the fact that many dogs do not even think about stairs, they simply use them. Is there something about SAYING, "Do it or die" that is NOT worthy of contempt?

I think you may have noticed that we get from (Ignorant) people exactly what we will put up with and not one thing more. I think you may have noticed that "Tough Love" enjoyed a very brief moment in the Sun. I believe that is because people like me said to people like that exactly what I just did. I think, too, you may have noticed that some people view a dog in much the same way I view a hammer. An object that can be used to a number of purposes, some admirable, some not. I think you may have seen the effect these people have on their animals at the shelters you frequent.

An abused animal suffers in much the same way a child will. I am not shy about making myself clear to strangers about much more personal matters than how one supposes a dog should be treated.

Ma'am.

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RE: How do you teach a dogw ho's capable of going down ... - 8/16/2012 2:00:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Save your breath. I've been working with dogs, often under the supervision of professionals, for several decades. I read your post and heard Charlie Brown's adults echoing in my ears.

I am pretty fucking sure the hundreds of dogs I've worked with, never felt like a hammer, under my care.

AKA........quit being a fucking drama queen.

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RE: How do you teach a dogw ho's capable of going down ... - 8/16/2012 4:30:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Daddy tried the put her two feet on the top step and she panicked and backed up, but we will try again as soon as we go back. It's not our home it's where he and I go to therapy at and she's allowed to come. That was the first time she went with us. We'll try the treats and the encouragement and I'll go down a few stairs and call to her and see if she's willing to come. She loves her mommy dearly and hates being separated, I think I can maybe be enough of an encouragement to get her to come on down.

I don't really blame her lol I prefer going upstairs more than down, going down it feels more like I could fall or twist an ankle or miss a step.

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RE: How do you teach a dogw ho's capable of going down ... - 8/16/2012 7:31:49 PM   
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