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Mercnbeth -> Damn Bush! (11/2/2004 2:14:19 PM)
I hate the idea that I had to vote for George Bush today. His wanting to get into my bedroom, monitor my TV viewing, and controlling my social way of life is against everything I believe. Problem is, other then hating and disagreeing with anything Bush, Kerry has not told me what he stands for or what he will do. The easiest position in a debate is the contrary position. But to win the debate you need a solution. Kerry has never provided a detailed solution to anything. I believe the reason for this is that his solutions would be very bad for business, the economy, and the US place in the world. Not knowing what he will do in those important decisions is more frightening then knowing that Bush doesn't want Janet Jackson's nipple on TV during the Superbowl. I also feel that, if Kerry wins it will be seen as a win for Bin Laden. Bin Laden will be in even higher regard by the Muslims. It will be taken as a victory for his rhetoric and 9/11 seen as point when the war was tuned in the Muslim favor. We will be thought of in the same context as the Spanish, who voted out their President after he did not capitulate. The Spanish preferred to surrender to the terrorists after the bombing of their railway station and the death of their citizens. And remember this, Muslims have as one of their fundamental beliefs that ALL infidels should be killed in the name of Allah. That is direct from their Koran. It is a religion of terror, unforeseen by the US founding fathers when they protected all religious practice under the constitution. Can't wait until tomorrow when hopefully we can all go back to discussing more important matters. Like what is the proper flogger material to produce the reddest marks, or arguing the difference between a slave and a submissive, or deciding if time spent in on-line submission counts toward your certificate of slavery in a Gor relationship.

GoddessJules -> RE: Damn Bush! (11/2/2004 2:35:16 PM)
quote: Can't wait until tomorrow when hopefully we can all go back to discussing more important matters. Like what is the proper flogger material to produce the reddest marks, or arguing the difference between a slave and a submissive, or deciding if time spent in on-line submission counts toward your certificate of slavery in a Gor relationship Regarding the latter part of the quote. . .can I get one of those certificates via a correspondence course such as ITT or University of Phoenix? Jules

Estring -> RE: Damn Bush! (11/2/2004 3:04:58 PM)
Wonderful post Mercnbeth. I don't have the big reservations about Bush that you do, but I don't agree with everything he does either. But you understand that we need to be strong in this fight against terrorism. We can't afford not to be. Kerry says that he would form a world wide coalition so we wouldn't go it alone. But when that coalition did exist in the 1991 Gulf War, he still voted against it. People need to look at his voting record and they will see what kind of president he will be. Actions speak louder than words.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Damn Bush! (11/2/2004 3:49:11 PM)
quote: can I get one of those certificates via a correspondence course such as ITT or University of Phoenix? For you Goddess - It will be a pleasure to provide you with a degree from the Mercury School of Advanced Deviant Behavior. It's a hand's on school for application of practical disciplinary technique. For others interested I'm accepting new applications for the January 2005 semester. Courses to include: Effective Flogging Safe Words for Dummies Single Tails for Swinging Couples Pet Play for Two Legged Animals Sensitive Humiliation Bi-Sexual Switching - (Never Go Home from A Party Alone!) Topping from Above Hanging Around - (A crucifixion course) Lab and Field Courses: Growing Stinging Nettles at Home Dealing with a Vanilla check out girl at Home Depot Potions and Lotions - (Which one's right for you Icy Hot or Ben Gay?) Stocking your play room from the Dollar Store Using "Photo Shop" for posting better profile pictures. Converting a 2 mile range shocking dog collar into the ultimate remote controlled vibrating panty. There will also be guest lectures: "When you don't hear the safe-word" - O.J. Simpson "But her Profile said she was 18!" - Remote Panel Discussion from Cell-block 6 - Folsom State Prison.

LadyAngelika -> RE: Damn Bush! (11/3/2004 4:50:24 AM)
That is total absolute fallacy Merc. I don't know who has given you this information but they are wrong. Every group has extremists and their share of nut cases but be very, very sure that this is not the case. Here in Montreal we have a huge Muslim population and I have a great deal of Muslim friends and I was born into a ½ Catholic and ½ Presbyterian home and am now an Atheist. My Muslim friends have absolutely no issue with my choice of religion. Unfortunately, there are as many fucked up Americans who need to go out and kill a Muslim as the reverse is true. And until both sides sit down and solve their issues, you will keep having attacks on each other’s countries and the rest of the world will get splattered by all your shit. - LA

LadyAngelika -> RE: Damn Bush! (11/3/2004 4:54:18 AM)
quote: But you understand that we need to be strong in this fight against terrorism. We can't afford not to be. If your country was really concerned about Terrorism, they would not have re elected Bush today. He is one of the biggest terrorist I know going in and bombing the innocent people of Iraq when they posed absolutely no threat. Wake up and smell the coffee people! - LA

stef -> RE: Damn Bush! (11/3/2004 5:04:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Estring But you understand that we need to be strong in this fight against terrorism. We can't afford not to be. Keep on toeing that party line and you might even convince yourself it's true someday. Do you feel any safer today than you did 4 years ago? I sure don't. Quite the opposite, in fact. The War on Terror will be about as successful as the War on Drugs, except more Americans will die in the former than the latter. ~stef

Destinysskeins -> RE: Damn Bush! (11/3/2004 5:33:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: Courses to include: Effective Flogging Safe Words for Dummies Single Tails for Swinging Couples Pet Play for Two Legged Animals Sensitive Humiliation Bi-Sexual Switching - (Never Go Home from A Party Alone!) Topping from Above Hanging Around - (A crucifixion course) Lab and Field Courses: Growing Stinging Nettles at Home Dealing with a Vanilla check out girl at Home Depot Potions and Lotions - (Which one's right for you Icy Hot or Ben Gay?) Stocking your play room from the Dollar Store Using "Photo Shop" for posting better profile pictures. Converting a 2 mile range shocking dog collar into the ultimate remote controlled vibrating panty. Come one, Come all! Gay, Lesbian, Top, bottom, Pre-op, Post-op are welcome! So, no matter Who You Think You Might Be, come check out this fantastic Program! laughs sorry to add another side tangent to a serious discussion but i really couldn't resist as this was a joke i actually cracked with Master last night during one of our bouts of hysterical laughter.

BluesMate -> RE: Damn Bush! (11/3/2004 6:52:43 AM)
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newflowers -> RE: Damn Bush! (11/3/2004 6:53:40 AM)
quote: I believe the reason for this is that his solutions would be very bad for business, the economy, and the US place in the world. I only pray that these areas do not get worse than they are now. Of course, Bush cannot be accused of hurting the eoconomy unless you count inattention and neglect causative factors. quote: I also feel that, if Kerry wins it will be seen as a win for Bin Laden. Bin Laden will be in even higher regard by the Muslims. Most people of the Islamic fath are appalled by the acts of Bin Laden and his cohorts. Media shots to the contrary, we cannot blame the group for the reprehensible behavior of a few. I must agree with others here, Bush has proven himself and bully, and liar, and a terrorist, and a complete and total failure as a "world leader" (i had to add some humor to this depressing morning) as well as a president. The good thing about this election - only four more years of the jerk - the bad thing - four more years of the jerk. Of course, he won't be president when the bill from his war nees to be paid. I am so upset, I can't even formulate a proper anti-shrub rant. And the news is talking about votes not being counted - again. I can't stand it... newflowers

GoddessJules -> RE: Damn Bush! (11/3/2004 9:24:11 AM)
I shall marticulate ONLY if there is a graduate program at your institution. [;)] Jules

sting516 -> RE: Damn Bush! (11/3/2004 9:36:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika If your country was really concerned about Terrorism, they would not have re elected Bush today. He is one of the biggest terrorist I know going in and bombing the innocent people of Iraq when they posed absolutely no threat. Wake up and smell the coffee people! - LA While i might stop short of calling Bush/shrub a terrorist...he does seem like he does enjoy killing people...just check out the number of Texas executions while he was governor there...that said...i just believe he is misguided...tragically so...it would appear we here in the US should expect more terrorist acts here in the US, while they bleed us in Iraq...maybe i should see about moving to Canada, out of the line of fire. sting

sweetpleaser -> RE: Damn Bush! (11/3/2004 9:47:50 AM)
Well, I'm not too thrilled about the outcome either. I am a positive person, however. I think the other parties need to focus on grooming a better candidate in 4 years. Kerry was just not strong or charismatic enough. We need to read up on prospective candidates and support them early. JMO

Mercnbeth -> RE: Damn Bush! (11/3/2004 10:16:26 AM)
With deepest respect and admiration Lady Andelika - my source is the Koran. There are 123 verses in the Koran concerning fighting and killing for the cause of Allah. Here are but a few passages and quotes: quote: Islam's earnest goal, set forth in the Koran (references given herein are from three versions) and hadith (Islamic written tradition), remains the same: to bring all mankind into submission (that's what "Islam" means) and to kill or enslave all "infidels"(i.e., unbelievers in Allah and Muhammad his prophet--Surah 2:190-92;4:76;5:33;9:5,29,41;47:4, etc.). Islam (in obedience to the Koran and Muhammad's example) is the driving force behind most terrorism today. Muhammad declared, "The last hour will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews and the Muslims kill them." Allah tells Muslims, "Take not the Jews and Christians for friends...slay the idolaters [infidels] wherever ye find them. ...Fight against those who...believe not in Allah nor the Last Day" (5:51;9:5,29,41). - God loves not the false, the Infidel. 22:39 - Give not way therefore to the Infidels, but by means of this Koran strive against them with a mighty strife. 25:54 -Muslims are encouraged to be wholly occupied (Sura 2:273) with fighting for Allah's cause. - Allah will give "a far richer recompense to those who fight for him" (Sura 4:96). - Regarding infidels (unbelievers), they are the Muslim's "inveterate enemies" (Sura 4:101). Muslims are to "arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere" (Sura 9:5) for them. They are to "seize them and put them to death wherever you find them, kill them wherever you find them, seek out the enemies of Islam relentlessly" (Sura 4:90). "Fight them until Islam reigns supreme" (Sura 2:193). "Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips of their fingers" (Sura 8:12). - If a Muslim does not go to war, Allah will kill him (Sura 9:39). He is to be told, "the heat of war is fierce, but more fierce is the heat of Hell-fire" (Sura 9:81). - A Muslim must "fight for the cause of Allah with the devotion due to him" (Sura 22:78) - Muslims must make war on the infidels (unbelievers) who live around them (Sura 9:123). - Muslims are to be "ruthless to unbelievers" (Sura 48:29). - A Muslim should "enjoy the good things" he has gained by fighting (Sura 8:69). - A Muslim can kill any person he wishes if it be a "just cause" (Sura 6:152). - Allah loves those who "fight for his cause" (Sura 61:3). Anyone who fights against Allah or renounces Islam in favor of another religion shall be "put to death or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off alternative sides" (Sura 5:34). - Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him. Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57) - Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. (Koran 9:5) - Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. (Koran 69:30-37) - I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them. (Koran 8:12) - They should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides. (Koran 5:33) I knew I should have included those references in my original post. I don't believe in establishing my views on anyone's opinion or interpretation. Early in the 1990's I decided to read the Koran to form my own opinion. Having lived and worked in NYC I had the opportunity to directly ask Muslims regarding this passage. Like Christians defending the literal interpretation of the Bible, Muslims have a difficult time with these and other passages that take the same position. The difference is, that since the end of the Inquisition, there is no violent Christian army sworn to eliminate all who are not Christian. The Muslims can not make that statement. If you need additional reference material I'll be happy to sent it to you.

strongnsubmissiv -> RE: Damn Bush! (11/3/2004 10:34:42 AM)
. Seems to me, the root cause of any war in history has always been the same: Religion sns

Mercnbeth -> RE: Damn Bush! (11/3/2004 10:43:10 AM)
sns - Exactly - More people were killed in the name of religion then were ever saved by it.

Thanatosian -> RE: Damn Bush! (11/3/2004 11:16:52 AM)
quote: I know you all feel safer with a Draft Dodger leading the Way like all you libs felt with your * years of draft dodger Billy boy Clinton leading the way?

srahfox -> RE: Damn Bush! (11/3/2004 11:40:27 AM)
All I have to say is... Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. However thou shalt not kill. Huh? I know some muslims, and not only do they not agree with Bin laden, they aren't walking around planning to kill me. I think it's an unfar generalization. Just like if I said that all Christians are bible thumpers and plan on blowing up abortion clinics. I'm not saying I like Kerry, but I couldn'y bring myself to vote for Bush. I don't trust him to accually have my beliefs, feelings, and needs in mind. They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 How much will we have to give up in the name of safety? I don't like the fact that My house can be searched and I can be inprisoned on the mere suggestion of terrorism. I'm an American, I was born here and I love it here. I should not be afraid that my house will get searched. And then if they think I might do something wrong I can't even defend myself. I have no doubt that should my home get searched I would be locked away. My husband and I would never do anything, but we have books that would suggest otherwise.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Damn Bush! (11/3/2004 11:58:00 AM)
sarah, quote: Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. However thou shalt not kill. Huh? The corresponding argument regarding this particular reference follows. Interestingly enough within this reference is a note regarding the rationalization of the Christians killing Muslims. 6th Commandment; Verse 13: "Thou shalt not kill." The Hebrew word "ratsach" is translated as "kill" in the King James Version, Revised Standard Version, American Standard Version, and some other translations of the Bible. The word "ratsach" is commonly believed to describe the premeditated killing of a human. It requires that the victim be a human being. Many other translations translate "ratsach" as "murder" in this verse. This Commandment is not absolute. Not all murders are forbidden. Hebrew Scriptures specify many grounds for which this commandment is to be ignored, and a guilty party executed. Persons found guilty of temple prostitution, engaged women who are seduced by a man other than her future husband, women who practice black magic (witch reference used in the Inquisition), some women who are raped in urban areas, children who cursed their parents, some non-virgin brides, Jews who collect firewood on Saturday to keep their families from freezing, persons proselytizing in favor of another religion, persons worshiping a deity other than Yahweh, strangers who entered the temple, etc; all were to be executed. Historically, many Christian groups interpreted the Commandment as if it read "Thou shalt not murder people inside your group." The Christian Church has committed genocide many times in its history, exterminating such groups as the Cathars and Knights Templar. Starting in the late 15th century and continuing for 300 years, both Protestants and Roman Catholics rounded up heretics. "witches," and suspected Satan worshipers; the church executed many tens of thousands of them -- often by burning them alive. The Crusades against the Muslims are another indication of the misuse of this Commandment. Defenseless Jews and Muslims were massacred by the invading armies. In recent times, Serbian Orthodox Christians organized a major religiously-motivated genocide in Bosnia-Herzegovina, largely against Muslims.

srahfox -> RE: Damn Bush! (11/3/2004 1:00:24 PM)
That must be why I don't believe in Most orginized religions. Even when you have a book (Such as the bible or Koran) There is still that flex space. Well, yeah the bible says that, but it means.... Oddly my uncle (Who's a pastor) blew me away with this. He stated that there were no Unicorns. To which I replied that thet were in the bible. (Sorry don't remember exactly where something about saving someone from the horns for the unicorns.) He told me that that happens when we translate something. If you run across something you don't know the exact translation to, you put something close to it there. Nice.

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