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theRose4U -> RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera (6/11/2006 3:02:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Brosco

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ORIGINAL: theRose4U

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ORIGINAL: Brosco

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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ORIGINAL: Brosco

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

And btw, I only play real time hunny.. why the attack on me? If you don't like my opinion you could still be respectful of the experience behind it...


and btw honey, I have played both ...  so why the attack on  me? If you don't like my opinions you could still be respectful of the experience behind it...


I never attacked you


and I dont believe I attacked you...  so we can leave it at that or go back and find instances... pretty silly really.. its just a forum with personal opinions.


Thus again making my point that online loses something in translation without voice inflection, facial movements and tone to convey meaning. I may be a bitch at times but when you can't hear the sincerity and concern in my voice it's too easy for some to make incorrect assumptions based on personal experience. Rather unfortunate detail of the online world...and thus my point all along.


Rose, I fail to see your point here.  julia and I have never communicated before, we have no idea of each others fun/sarcasm/viciousness in the words spoken so far.  I can make an assessment, and that is julia making her point about her impression of online, and I am making mine.  Its no biggie.  If we continued exchanges we would probably be able to assess each other far better ...  strangely ya know.. just like reallife.  In r/l people say things in a tone we can't read, some do it intentionally, some don't, but the truth is, it takes time to know another in r/l as well or you can make some vary bad readings!

I guess that at this stage julia thinks I'm a bit of a pigheaded git...  no worries, I am at times.  But having detected that in me, she has failed to see she has done the same.  In reality, we sorta came out equal...  and guess what...  same result in r/l!


And yet again my point.
Seeing as some people are taking my words very personally and have chosen to mis-interpret my meanings for their own reasons [cough Tiger].  I will retire this thread to the crap heap of no one wanted to hear what I had to say. I would however hope that personal attacks (again) from some I really wouldn't care to know in real life have revealed people for the bitter and mal-adjusted individuals that they are. Good riddance to bad rubbish.




mellian -> RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera (6/11/2006 4:11:59 PM)

I so dislike webcam/online training, especially with those I never met. Feels so fake and way to easy to get away with things. I usually end discussions and negociations when a Domme I just met online says I would need to do online training before I could meet them. That just proves to me that your not a real Domme and only doing it to get some kick on the internet by tricking subs to do things over false promises. One is even more fake when they go off saying that they have now claim me and I am theirs in msn or PM. They always remove my faith that I would ever find any decent Domme online and better off sticking with the real life communities and wait.

-mellian




DeviantLady -> RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera (9/26/2006 3:30:17 AM)

Did anyone give the OP any advice?

After all not everyone lives round the corner from their Dom/me. Real life is fabulous and I am not an online Domme to be honest I would not know what to do with someone online. However, that said I have played with people that I couldnt see on a weekly basis and maybe some tasks that they could do to keep the play going would be nice. So I was reading this to see if anyone had any ideas that worked for them.




givemyall -> RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera (9/26/2006 3:57:09 AM)

I suppose he could get his subby to turn the computer off with her nose...........ooops bye bye Master!

Sorry - couldn't resist - no offence intended

*runs away into her online corner




twicehappy -> RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera (9/26/2006 4:07:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

For me online BDSM is akin to any other role playing game. Not real. While there are emotions and mental efforts it just has no bearing on real life. What draws me to the lifestyle is the all encompassing deep relationship (not to be confused to wacky obsessive mind you)  that I see as being possible. For me it is about the trust and power exchange. There is NO WAY I can imagine having that via online role playing.



EXACTLY!!!!!!!    Iwas about to make a similiar post but you said it all.

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LaTigresse

For me it is about the trust and power exchange. There is NO WAY I can imagine having that via online role playing.


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ORIGINAL: Brosco

Problem now is that you have taken your opinion (that D/s or BDSM online is roleplaying) and making it a 'fact' express that it therefore cannot work in a power exchange.

Sorry, hate to tell you this, but having been involved in both online and r/l, online is not about roleplay to many many ppl.  I suspect you are voicing opinion based on your own misconceptions or at best, a poor experience.


Problem is she did not state her opinion was a "fact", at the beginning of the sentence you will notice those two very important words(i made them bold and underlined for you)" For me" that LaTigresse started her post with. She was expressing Her opinion on the subject.

Fact is i agree with her, some may find it to be an enjoyable kink; it is fine if it is a way of getting to know each other before deciding to meet in real life. But as a real lifestyle, no it is not.

It is like watching porno or going to a peep show where you put a dollar in the box and tell the girl what to do until your dollar runs out. You walk outside back to your life with libido satisfied for a while and she goes back to whatever it was she was doing. Point is once that curtain is down you have no clue what she is doing. You are using each other for wank off tools, period. And that is fine if it gets your rocks off but in no way is it bdsm.

You can say it is real but exactly how do you know? You are not sharing any part of each others lives but those moments on screen. I enjoy watching movies but when the credits roll it is over, i do not sit around imagining that the star is out chasing the bad guys just for me then.

Note; this is my opinion.





twicehappy -> RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera (9/26/2006 4:09:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Well, don't do a snuff on webcam, that could be dangerous.


Good advice, you might sneeze and bang your head on your screen or keyboard.

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ORIGINAL: theRose4U

One swat and she's up screaming bloody murder. When the unsuspecting dom asks what's the matter she yells "It never hurt like that online"!!


ROFLMMFAO.........
 
Can somebody tell me how do get coffee out of my keyboard, i just lost a whole mouthful of it laughing.




DOM33416 -> RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera (9/26/2006 7:55:45 AM)

As for myself I am not new to realtime but I am new to online and have become more curious about it as I read post. I like the original post because he is specific with what he is doing as opposed to just saying he is training a sub online. Many post refer to training or being trained online but seldom bring up the specific online training that was most useful. I would like to see more  first hand specific examples of positive online train techniques. I don't think it could compare to realtime but  the more you know....




ownedgirlie -> RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera (9/26/2006 7:58:02 AM)

~ Fast Reply ~

This thread is a disaster.  I wonder what pushes the nerves of those so deeply, who are in real-time, committed relationships.  My relationship is real time, but I do not see my Master daily as we are what would be called long-distance.  We do lots of stuff on the phone and webcam.  He enjoys it, as do I.  I agree that a D/s or M/s relationship ought to be more focused on the mental/emotional aspects but good lord people, if a couple wants to enjoy each other with the means they have, what's the rub?

As for going into subspace being dangerous?  I dunno, it's a risk, I guess.  I go to a deep subspace quite often without being in Master's physical presence.  I never felt I would die from it.  While at times coming down has been stressful, guess what?  We talked about it and found ways of working through it so I would be less stressed in the future. I would rather learn to adjust than to limit his enjoyment of me.  But that's my dynamic.

I doubt the OP is still around after all this.  If I saw the motivation for asking "why online" showed a wish to gain insight so as to help this guy, I can see the justification.  But that did not seem the case here at all.  Instead it just looked like a group of people showing their ugly sides.

I typically stay out of such threads, but this was a bit disturbing.




MstrssPassion -> RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera (9/26/2006 8:08:24 AM)

probably because too often those who do this real time/full time have to read that those who do this via electronically means say that what they do is equal to what the others do

if those who did this via the net ever experienced the full 24/7 end of it they would see that there is a huge difference & they too would begin to see how the whole online thing being said it is the same diminishes what you have when you actually share the same room with this one you do this thing you do with

I don't take sides on this debate... what others do is their thing. 

this also supports why I don't fall into this whole wiitwd thing because what yall do isn't necessarily what I do & that's ok... because I'm me & you're you... we aren't the same so don't assume anything I do is like what you do




ownedgirlie -> RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera (9/26/2006 8:40:04 AM)

I agree, Mistress Passion, but I "do this" real time too and certainly know the differences between that and online.  I guess I just don't feel the need to jump all over someone for it.  I didn't see the OP say it was equal.  I could understand the argument if that were the case.,

Regardless, I appreciate your reply.




twicehappy -> RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera (9/26/2006 9:00:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

I didn't see the OP say it was equal.  I could understand the argument if that were the case


Since your initial reply was made to me i'd like to point out that i was responding to that Brosco said to Latigresse not to the OP.
 
As to why it plucks my nerves, i think MstrssPassion covered that very well.




ExSteelAgain -> RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera (9/26/2006 9:04:40 AM)

If this is only online, how can she suck your cock for her aftercare? But seeeerrriiiiooooouuuuusssssly, what is causing most of the conflict it seems is because the OP misses the point that he should consider the emotional and intellectual aspects of the relationship more. When he just list tasks for her to do and doesn't consider the emotional aspects, he could be misssing something is the point. Good luck, in any case.




Frank01 -> RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera (9/26/2006 9:09:08 AM)

Some people can actually be trained to do thier own aftercare-strange and heretical as that may sound. I'll only say, don't knock it if you have never tried it.




Bearlee -> RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera (9/26/2006 9:12:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ExSteelAgain

If this is only online, how can she suck your cock for her aftercare?



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ownedgirlie -> RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera (9/26/2006 2:17:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

I didn't see the OP say it was equal.  I could understand the argument if that were the case


Since your initial reply was made to me i'd like to point out that i was responding to that Brosco said to Latigresse not to the OP.
 
As to why it plucks my nerves, i think MstrssPassion covered that very well.

My reply was not to you at all, hence the words "~Fast Reply~" at the very top of my post.




ownedgirlie -> RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera (9/26/2006 2:19:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Frank01

Some people can actually be trained to do thier own aftercare-strange and heretical as that may sound. I'll only say, don't knock it if you have never tried it.

Indeed.  It is not easy, but it can be done.




TNstepsout -> RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera (9/26/2006 3:20:52 PM)

So, did anything worthwhile ever come of this thread?

Rat's I was looking forward to reading all the great advice for online training.

Really, I don't know what the problem is. People do a lot of things that aren't real and there's no ongoing debate about how and why someone can enjoy something that's not real. Why there's an entire industry of virtual exploits from running a zoo to flying a fighter jet and does anyone get all corn cobby over that sort of thing? Nope. So what's the deal? What is it about discussing online D/s that get's folks in such an uproar? I think it's kind of fun.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents. ummmm or maybe that's only worth about 1.




bettie1959 -> RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera (9/26/2006 3:43:43 PM)

So much for my high hopes in finding some inspiration on this subject. The boy is flying off to antarctica for three months to do some research.  Our only interaction will be online and without cam....not much, but better than nothing. 
This is the second thread that I thought I might learn something from that instead,  turned out to be nothing but another poo flinging contest. [sm=boxer.gif] The sad part is....I've only read two threads today.  Two fer two...hurray!   




RedSavageSlave -> RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera (9/26/2006 5:08:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: masterjon84

I don't want to sound rude here, because I am a newcomer to this forum, but the responses I have recieved so far are the exact reason I left the last online forum I belonged to.  Every response I get has been negative, in some regard, either the person not getting the training techniques I use, saying how they don't like online play, or questioning the legality of it.  I'd rather get no responses than have people respond negatively to my post, there is no reason to respond if you are just going to downplay what I enjoy doing or try to put a negative spin on it.  I love realtime bdsm, I had a realtime 24/7 slave for roughly 18 months.  I am active in the local bdsm scene.  The point is that we all enjoy different things, I am happen to enjoy online bdsm that includes webcam and digital cam play.  If you are not into it, that is fine, but please don't try to rain on my parade here.  If you don't have any advice that directly pertains to the question I asked, please don't respond.  Thanks.


If you already knew what the responses were going to be like based on your last posting with another group.. and you didnt want honest opinions on it.. why did you post here?  Sheesh.. No one is "bashing YOU" .. and most are giving constructive feedback based on the information you gave according to their beliefs and experiences. Why not just be an adult and take the advice for what it is... an open forum for all to join in on. If you cannot be an adult about it.. then why not take your ball and go home?




NYMaster101 -> RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera (9/27/2006 8:16:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: masterjon84

Hello all, first time poster here.  I have been involved in bdsm for about 6 years now, and have enjoyed it a lot.  I was apprenticed to a master for nearly a year before I set out to find my own submissive, and have had much success.  Until recently, I was strictly involved in realtime bdsm but I have just made the switch to online primarily.  I asked a  number of online dominants how to best make this transition and thought I would be fine.  However, my training sessions seem to be very repetitive, since I am used to actually being there physically with my sub.  I use a combination of digital cameras and webcams during my training sessions and I use various exercises and tasks to train my sub.  I know that each master is different and many of you may not agree with my techniques, but the training techniques I currently use include:
-bladder and orgasm control
-self spanking/flogging
-writing degrading/humiliating things on their body
-anal/vaginal/oral insertions, including licking/smearing the object that was just inserted across their face/body
-name calling
-forcing my sub to hold various positions for various lengths of time.  an example of some position I currently use include holding a ball against the wall using just their nose, on all fours with their head against the floor, etc.
-forcing my sub to act like a dog, which includes walking on all fours, wearing a collar, eating out of a dish, fetching objects using just their mouth, etc.
-having my sub photograph their most intimate moments, including when they go to the bathroom or change their tampon
-making them do certain tasks or objectives such as take pictures of themselves flashing in public places, doing certain acts, etc.
-controlling what my sub wears and eats during the day
There are probably a few training techniques I forgot to list, but these are the bulk of them.  My question to the community is are there any training techniques that I don't use that I could be implementing into my sessions with my subs?  I am open to any new ideas, myself and my sub really don't have any limits, so dont be afraid to get creative/kinky.  Thanks in advance for any advice you may be able to give me. 

-Master Jon


I've always been a hands on type of Master. However if  the one you care for is too far away for R/L  video is better than nothing.  Try these:
nipple clamps adding weights a little at a time.
clothes pins and clothes pin zippers.
hair removal by waxing.
self bondage.
dripping candle wax.




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