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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Bill Clinton, the keynote speaker at this years DNC convention, could probably clear up any misunderstanding

If anyone understands rape its him

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ORIGINAL: kitkat105

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

You didn't know there's rape versus rape-rape?

Rape Victim Abortion Funding

This was pure gold.

Can I chip a 2/3 penny for a retroactive abortion for Mr Akin?????????

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ORIGINAL: SlipSlidingAway

So, a question for Mr. Akin, or anybody who cares to try to get into his mindset enough to answer.  While he used the word legitimate, and now claims he meant forcible, does his statement not imply that women who DO conceive during rape were not raped enough?

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

This man actually holds elected office ?

Whenever I am distraught about the incompetence of our own elected officials, I need only look to the Republican party to brighten my day with this simple silver lining: we just don't have that level of malice, stupidity, ignorance and incompetence. Indeed, there's clearly a long distance to the bottom of the barrel. A handful of people have gotten close on occasion, but they have all been evicted from their respective parties in short order.

We actually have a Christian Conservative party, and they're nowhere near this crazy.

IWYW,
— Aswad.

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it's because on some level they wanted to have sex because otherwise they wouldn't get pregnant.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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it's because on some level they wanted to have sex because otherwise they wouldn't get pregnant.

Nope... in the eyes of many anti abortionists they believe if they leave rape as a reason for an abortion after they overturn today’s abortions laws then women will falsely claim rape just to get am abortion. They hope to set standards for rape and it had better be forceful and legitimate.

They seem to forget about date rape drugs and consensual underage and incest and such.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

No first world country has a polity like that of the USA, Aswad. The USA is on its own in that respect. No belief, no matter how cretinously, primitively nasty, will fail to attract the votes of one vast swathe of US voters or another. UK Conservative party members would be shunned as commies next to a sizeable bunch of American Republican politicians. That isn't an exaggeration - and it's even less of a joke.

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Sadly, in my world, wars and terror don't actually solve the problems we are facing. That sort of approach only works in the dreamy utopia of Amereich, and in the minds of their ballot punching brownshirts and kindred spirits worldwide.

At this point, posting histories suggest that Sanity and a few others are in a set of people out of which one or more are likely to be tempted to object loudly. I would suggest they refrain from doing so, as I've already toned this down in the interest of civility and a pair of rose colored shades were worn throughout the writing of this post to give it that extra sweet and agreeable flavor.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

They're far too dangerous to be left to die a natural death. All of which leaves those of us with a more sensible or humane approach in a bit of a quandary.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


UK Conservative party members would be shunned as commies next to a sizeable bunch of American Republican politicians. That isn't an exaggeration - and it's even less of a joke.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Absolutely Peon. I always vote Conservative and have lost count how many nutters insist calling me "lefty" or "commie" on here.

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Is this moron actually saying that a rape induced pregnancy is not a kind of punishment?

In all fairness, that's inflicted by the rapist, not society or doctors. The question of whether or not is it legitimate to pass it on to the foetus depends on whether one considers the foetus to be an individual or not. If you consider the foetus to be an individual, then it becomes a matter of punishing the prospective child for something a rapist did to its mother, two wrongs trying to make a right in a situation where there is no right. If you do not consider it to be an individual, then it becomes a matter of protecting the woman, in a situation uncomplicated by the third party. As such, it is not surprising that there would be conflicted opinions on the matter.

What he's said is offensive enough without confusing the underlying issue.

By most current definitions, there should be no problem with including a fully subsidized "morning after" pill as part of the rape kit. That would resolve the issues for both parties, pretty much, as there is no foetus at that point. Conception occurs later. So long as elective abortion is legal, there is no argument in favor of banning it in the event of a rape. There might be an argument that people shouldn't have to pay taxes into an activity they may regard as unethical, but that holds for pacifists paying for the military, too, and any number of other issues one readily accepts as being stuff people don't get a say in. From a social perspective, the unwanted child will be unduly burdened by the stain of its origins, and society will suffer for its deleterious circumstances. As such, it can't be a fiscal argument, at least not in a reasonable world.

As far as I'm concerned, abortion should be legal up to the point where it could become a preterm baby.

Before that, it is parasitic on the mother and has no independent life in any objective sense. After that, its dependancy can shift to someone else's wallet and not the mother's body. The offspring doesn't have a claim to her body, and so she should be allowed to seperate it from herself at any point, provided she disowns it completely. If people want to pay to make the preterms survive and then raise them, that's their business, and no longer any of hers. Any fiscal or ethical requirement that the population pay for this is difficult to argue in favor of, so let the people that want to save the preterms do this on a volunteer basis, out of their own pockets.

Of course, it's insane that these people have such concern about abortion, but no concern about children.

Therein, they reveal their true colors and that this either has nothing to do with ethics, or nothing to do with reality.

IWYW,
— Aswad.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Nothing like using one misstatement to smear an entire group of people I suppose

He apologized, admitted his glaring mistake, made amends

Has Biden apologized yet for basically saying that Obama was the first showered intelligent black man on the national stage

I doubt it, but you never did hear much about it

Not that there are two standards or anything

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

This man actually holds elected office ?

Whenever I am distraught about the incompetence of our own elected officials, I need only look to the Republican party to brighten my day with this simple silver lining: we just don't have that level of malice, stupidity, ignorance and incompetence. Indeed, there's clearly a long distance to the bottom of the barrel. A handful of people have gotten close on occasion, but they have all been evicted from their respective parties in short order.

We actually have a Christian Conservative party, and they're nowhere near this crazy.

IWYW,
— Aswad.

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Peter Cornswalled is sticking to his no-pregnancy-without-orgasm talking points:

The Myth of Rape Pregnancies

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Most men are familiar with the moment of issue, the climatic point of sexual relations between husband and wife. Popular culture has made most people equally aware of the female moment of issue, crassly labeled an "orgasm" in pop culture.