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Congressman Akin on legitimate rape - 8/19/2012 4:44:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		U.S. House of Representatives member and candidate for the U.S. Senate Todd Akins (R-MO), said today on KTVI-TV in St. Louis, Missouri, that a “legitimate rape” victim has natural defenses in her body that can prevent a pregnancy.

"From what I understand from doctors, that's really rare," said Akin of pregnancies in that situation. "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let's assume maybe that didn't work or something. I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist."

Akin says that he has come to this understanding from talking with doctors, and if that is true, then he should name which doctors told him this so the public can avoid these doctors.

Congressman Akin’s statement is not only incorrect; it is ignorant of the facts of life. This man is a religious fundamentalist who should have no place in government where he can spread lies such as this.

http://www.examiner.com/article/rep-todd-akin-a-legitimate-rape-victim-s-body-can-naturally-stop-pregnancy

Soooo... never once heard this theory from all the OBGYN physicians I worked with... cannot find a single supporting medical mention of this being true.... and this only occurs in legitimate rape cases?

We now have illegitimate rape?

AKIN: First of all, from what I understand from doctors [pregnancy from rape] is really rare. If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let's assume that maybe that didn't work, or something. You know, I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child.

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In 2004-2005, 64,080 women were raped.8 According to medical reports, the incidence of pregnancy for one-time unprotected sexual intercourse is 5%. By applying the pregnancy rate to 64,080 women, RAINN estimates that there were 3,204 pregnancies as a result of rape during that period.


http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-victims

So, 5% is rare? And that's of the ones that are reported... how about the one's that never get reported?

Anyone care to try and defend this piece of .. ahem?

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RE: Congressman Akin on legitimate rape - 8/19/2012 5:59:30 PM   
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RE: Congressman Akin on legitimate rape - 8/19/2012 6:06:51 PM   
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...This race is being closely watched because McCaskill is among the most vulnerable Senate Democrats this year. A Republican win in Missouri is part of the GOP strategy to recapture the Senate.

McCaskill, who trailed Akin in recent polls, immediately tweeted her dismay. A former prosecutor who handled hundreds of rape cases, she wrote that she was “stunned” by her opponent’s comments. An hour or so later, she issued an emailed statement of condemnation, with a compilation of Akin’s record of votes on rape-related legislation.

“Akin previously was the co-sponsor of a bill to redefine rape,” McCaskill said. “And it was recently reported that Akin opposed a state law against spousal rape because it might be used as a tool against husbands in a ‘messy divorce.’ ”

The “redefinition” of rape was contained in a federal bill co-sponsored by Akin in 2011 that would have redefined the conditions under which federal funds may be used to pay for abortion.

Currently, federal money may be used in cases of incest, rape or if the mother’s life is in danger. The “No Taxpayer Funding for Abortions Act” was co-sponsored by more than 200 Republicans, including Mitt Romney’s running mate, Rep. Paul D. Ryan. It would have changed the word “rape” to “forcible rape,” which abortion rights supporters feared would rule out paying for abortions in cases of statutory rape or when a victim is drugged or verbally coerced.

The bill passed with overwhelming Republican support in the House but failed in the Democratic-controlled Senate.

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RE: Congressman Akin on legitimate rape - 8/19/2012 6:07:14 PM   
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To be honest ,if it wasn't you posting this(plus the links that you provided) I would have a hard time believing any adult could hold such nonsensical views.
This man actually holds elected office ?

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RE: Congressman Akin on legitimate rape - 8/19/2012 6:14:53 PM   
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RE: Congressman Akin on legitimate rape - 8/19/2012 6:19:33 PM   
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Imho, the truly scary thing is that he actually thinks saying this will win him some votes. Makes me wonder what the MIssouri electorate is like.

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RE: Congressman Akin on legitimate rape - 8/19/2012 6:22:33 PM   
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That anybody could hold such antiquated beliefs such as this in the 21st century is simply astonishing.

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RE: Congressman Akin on legitimate rape - 8/19/2012 6:24:55 PM   
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RE: Congressman Akin on legitimate rape - 8/19/2012 6:35:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Troy Akin, John Boehner, and 200 other Republicans sought to bring us back to the 1887 definition of rape:

John Boehner's push to redefine rape

Banning publicly funded abortions for victims of "non-forcible" rape is one of the House speaker's top priorities

...First, there are the people who would be overtly denied coverage, as outlined by Nick Baumann at Mother Jones. Those who were raped while drugged or unconscious, or through means of coercion, would not be covered. Survivors of statutory rape would not be covered: “if a minor,” one is only covered in case of incest. And if one is a survivor of incest, and not a minor, that’s also not covered. Studies of how rapists find and subdue victims reveal that about 70 percent of rapes wouldn’t fall under the “forcible” designation.

Which leaves us with those rapes that could be construed as “forcible.” Except that this clause doesn’t guarantee an exemption for them, either. The term “forcible rape” actually has no set meaning; legal definitions of “force” vary widely. And every survivor who finds herself in need of abortion funding will have to submit her rape for government approval.

H.R. 3′s language brings us back to an ancient, long-outdated standard of rape law: “Utmost resistance.” By this standard, a rape verdict depended not on whether the victim consented, but on whether outsiders thought she resisted as hard as humanly possible. Survivors rarely measured up.

There’s an example of how “utmost resistance” worked in the 1887 text Defences to Crime. In this case, a man was accused of raping a

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Rape law is filled with cases like these. Definitions of “force” are still used to make highly subjective judgments that minimize actual violence. H.R. 3 leaves every survivor open to a decision that her attacker wasn’t forceful enough, or that she didn’t scream enough, or that she didn’t struggle enough. “Forcible,” like “utmost resistance,” can be redefined by anyone in a position to apply it. Under H.R. 3, there is no guaranteed exemption for any survivors; everyone’s coverage depends on the case-by-case judgment of a government working from a hugely flawed, inevitably subjective standard.

Read more: http://www.salon.com/2011/02/01/hr3_abortion_rape/



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RE: Congressman Akin on legitimate rape - 8/19/2012 6:36:33 PM   
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RE: Congressman Akin on legitimate rape - 8/19/2012 6:37:33 PM   
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RE: Congressman Akin on legitimate rape - 8/19/2012 6:42:07 PM   
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You know, I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child.


Is this moron actually saying that a rape induced pregnancy is not a kind of punishment? That having to raise the poor child for 20 odd years isn't an incessant reminder of what happened?

Where does he hide his brain (assuming he possesses one, which seems a generous assumption on the face of things)?

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RE: Congressman Akin on legitimate rape - 8/19/2012 6:47:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		She is on thin ice I'm afraid. Missouri is becoming more and more conservative. Akin won the primary on a I'm a conservative conservative ...more conservative than all conservatives running in the primary...so vote for me...and they did.

It used to be that the Democrats could depend on St. Louis and Kansas City to more than counter out state counties and win state wide elections. But St Louis county as turned more conservative, Jefferson County is conservative, and Springfield is a Republican strong hold now so Republicans have the edge state wide.

It will be very hard for McCaskill to win re-election… not impossible but unlikely

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RE: Congressman Akin on legitimate rape - 8/19/2012 6:47:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		He also wants to repeal the Voters Right Act of 1965.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/08/18/missouri-conservative-senate-candidate-calls-for-repeal-of-voting-rights-act-audio/

There’s a reason why Congress passed the Voting Rights Act of 1965. The law guarantees the right to vote and makes it illegal to use discriminatory practices designed to keep people such as African-Americans from voting. Things like literacy tests and poll taxes that denied people the right to vote under Jim Crow laws in the South were finally destroyed. But according to one senate candidate in Missouri, we should scrap the Voting Rights Act with the states free to make their own voting policies, even if they are discriminatory.

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RE: Congressman Akin on legitimate rape - 8/19/2012 7:22:11 PM   
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Imho, the truly scary thing is that he actually thinks saying this will win him some votes. Makes me wonder what the MIssouri electorate is like.

I spent my childhood in St Loser, in the Great State of Misery, and I can tell you that they are a third world country. This sort of thing doesn't surprise me in the least - someone once described the St Loser metro area as "88 independent countries (neighborhoods) each one at war with all the rest". Quite literally, if you didn't go to the right high school, they don't want to know you. What scares me is that this Gottedamerung political fanaticism has taken hold in so many parts of this country. I don't hold out much hope for the future, since Congressman Akin is the face of tomorrow.

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RE: Congressman Akin on legitimate rape - 8/19/2012 7:45:06 PM   
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RE: Congressman Akin on legitimate rape - 8/19/2012 7:45:19 PM   
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PS... St Louis is all Democrat... however the county has had an increasing Republican population over the last twenty years…And the population of St. Louis county, which St Louis is not part of, is much larger than St Louis proper.

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RE: Congressman Akin on legitimate rape - 8/19/2012 8:18:25 PM   
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What is bad is that these idiots believe it.

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RE: Congressman Akin on legitimate rape - 8/19/2012 8:21:31 PM   
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But the romney campaign say...Governor Romney and Congressman Ryan disagree with Mr. Akin's statement, and a Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape," Romney campaign spokeswoman Amanda Henneberg wrote.
oh yay.....

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RE: Congressman Akin on legitimate rape - 8/19/2012 8:28:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not really...except for the bit about the woman’s body...What he said is consistent with the beliefs of millions. They believe even if the life was conceived through rape it is still life and it does no good to take a life on top of the rape.

It is not bullshit if 100, 000,000 or so believe it is the way things should be.

Myself I think a rapists forfeits the right to pass on his genes but something cannot be radical or idiotic with that many people agreeing with a position.

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