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Constitutional PROTECTION - Defending Your Rights in Am... - 8/20/2012 11:56:46 PM   
Real0ne


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this is how the law and all these wonderful constitutions PROTECT your rights.


The privilege against self-incrimination is neither accorded to the passive resistant, nor the person who is ignorant of his rights, nor to one indifferent thereto.

It is a fighting clause.

Its benefits can be retained only by sustained combat.

It cannot be claimed by attorney or solicitor.

It is valid only when insisted upon by a belligerent claimant in person.


see McAlister v. Henkel, 201 U.S. 90, 26 S.Ct. 385, 50 L.Ed. 671; Commonwealth v. Shaw, 4 Cush. 594, 50 Am.Dec. 813; Orum v. State, 38 Ohio App. 171, 175 N.E. 876.

The one who is persuaded by honeyed 541*541 words or moral suasion to testify or produce documents rather than make a last ditch stand, simply loses the protection. Once he testifies as to part, he has waived his right and must on cross examination or otherwise, testify as to the whole transaction. He must refuse to answer or produce, and test the matter in contempt proceedings, or by habeas corpus.

The holdings in the cases of this type cited by defendant are sound, but they do not apply here because Memolo did not resist, he acquiesced.

Likewise, he did not have himself held in contempt or arrested for refusal. Furthermore, he had the documents in his possession and returned them.


http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=6500912461304123227&q=%22United+States+v.+Johnson%22,+76+F.+%28D.+Pa.+1947%29&hl=en&as_sdt=2,50





Clear as mud? haha

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Belligerents and terrorists are different

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by: W. T. Whitney Jr.
February 6 2008

tags: International,

Commentary

A 60-year sentence handed down Jan. 28 to Ricardo Palmera, a leader of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), by a U.S. judge demonstrates abuse of the terrorist designation. In January 2004, the CIA and local police captured Palmera in Ecuador, where he had been negotiating the release of FARC and Colombian government hostages with a UN official. The FARC, with 16,000 combatants, has engaged oligarchic Colombian governments since 1964. just like america

Palmera, known as Simon Trinidad, spent a year in jail in Colombia and on Dec. 31 was extradited to the United States. In July a federal court convicted him of participating in a hostage-taking conspiracy to seize U.S. mercenaries. Both Palmera and outside observers claim he neither met them nor planned their capture. His main crime, according to U.S. lawyer Paul Wolf, was affiliation with a terrorist organization.

Wolf states that Palmera’s extradition, conviction and sentencing violate Colombian sovereignty. Palmera’s penalty did not exist prior to 2004 when the USAID retooled the Colombian penal code to increase maximum sentences from 40 to 60 years.

The Palmera case illustrates the advantage a superpower derives from labeling foes as terrorists. Jointly with client states, the U.S. government gains the unimpeded ability to make war against revolutionaries and national liberation movements. International norms no longer apply. One country disposes of selected internal enemies of another.

Recent publicity on Colombian President Alvaro Uribe’s ties to drug traffickers and paramilitaries suggests that Colombia’s puppet elite shares Washington’s propensity for excess and stopping at nothing.

In 2004, Newsweek published a 1991 declassified U.S intelligence report stating that President Uribe once “worked for the Medellin Cartel and is a close friend of Pablo Escobar.” The document listed 104 lieutenants of the drug impresario, Uribe’s name appearing as number 82.

Virginia Vallejo, Escobar’s former mistress, published her memoirs last year. She quotes Escobar: “My business is transport and has one foundation — landing fields and planes and helicopters. That great guy (Uribe) dispensed for us dozens of licenses for airfields and hundreds for aircraft.” Uribe was then Civil Aeronautics head for Antioquia State.

In his “Unauthorized Biography,” Newsweek reporter Joseph Contreras claimed that as governor of Antioquia in 1995-97, Uribe was the “driving force” behind the paramilitary Convivir Brigades, a connection going back to the 1980s, according to Aporrea.org. In a press conference last year, Senator Gustavo Petro noted paramilitary use of Uribe family farms, his brother Santiago’s role as paramilitary leader, and participation of state helicopters in paramilitary massacres.

Legal scholars say belligerency status brings international law to bear upon internal armed conflicts, gives rebels groups a quasi-government status, and requires rebels to abide by Geneva protocols. But belligerency status is also defined, even legitimized, through the causes that make insurgents fight.

Writing Jan. 22 for rebelion.org, Colombian jurist Carlos Alberto Ruiz suggests that “what happens every week” to poor people does more to rationalize Colombian insurgent movements than mere judicial categories. He points to “children dying of malnutrition and curable sicknesses, or the adults who die abandoned.” He finds “daily evidence of young people with no future. There are 18 million adolescents, six million live in poverty; two million, in extreme poverty.”

Ruiz describes the marriage Jan. 19 in Cartegena de Indias of Andrés Santo Domingo and Lauren Davis, an editor of New York’s Vogue Magazine. Streets around the cathedral were closed. The rich, powerful, and stylish arrived by the hundreds. Forbes magazine lists Julio Mario Santo Domingo, father of the groom, as Colombia’s richest man, worth $4.5 billion.

“A few hundreds of meters away,” writes Ruiz, “child prostitutes wait.” All the while, “hundreds of thousands of the displaced, the poor, the Blacks, the mulattos, and the forgotten barely survive and wait.”

He describes Colombia’s situation as “ignominious. Armed conflict contesting the status quo is rejected and origins of the war are not confronted.” He calls for “validation of the causes and political perspective that were the genesis of the resistance and the armed conflict.”







~Dreamweaver

in a country where people use the word FREE to mean noninterference by government that same gubafia forces you to fight and be thrown in jail before recognition.


Like gw said you can wipe your ass with that Constitution.


< Message edited by Real0ne -- 8/20/2012 11:59:20 PM >


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RE: Constitutional PROTECTION - Defending Your Rights i... - 8/21/2012 12:35:50 AM   
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No matter how your incessant hysterics may belie it, this is an important case. What you don't seem to understand is that you are not a cheerleader at a football game so you are not going to get a following with the facts embellished the way you seem to do. Sorry Charlie, Starkist doesn't want tunas that taste good, they want tunas with good taste. No shit.

I have read back on your posts and really, things you bring up are true, and may be relevant to certain people. We don't seem to have certain people. Now all of this has to do with 331 USC 469, but I don't know how and it doesn't matter to me. What I am concerned with is any cases they may bring against me. I am not a target so I am not worried about it.

You want my support to have sovereigns and unorganized militia members treated better in court, I will. Really. These courts have gone too far, we all know this but nobody has they fucking balls to go out there, gather up people, set a date and march on "city hall". Occupy Wall Street is as lame as the National Blue Star Mothers.

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RE: Constitutional PROTECTION - Defending Your Rights i... - 8/21/2012 9:26:56 AM   
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this case was chosen because it is a good example of what american legal system is REALLY about. I have many cases like this both civil and criminal that demonstrate how the average man woman and child has be born with a law school up their ass to survive in the US or throw everything to the wind and simply say fuck it and PRAY they do not come under the radar of some gubafia agency.

People want to live their lives without the necessity to become lawyers and the need for combat and being forced into jail to be acknowledged by this judicial system.

This ignorance of the law is no excuse applies to everyone but judges and attorneys and legislators.

The point being the extreme that the gubafia will go to, by the aid of their kangeroo courts to create a living prison for all the inhabitants under their political jurisdiction.

That stands as a great demonstration, one of volumes that I can cite, how people in this country are forced to extremes then punished when extreme.

That is a standing case. http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/US/331/331.US.469.498.html






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