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NiceButMeanGirl -> RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? (8/21/2012 7:18:22 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterTitlis
Is BDSM and/or a D/s lifestyle perversion?

I consider BDSM & D/s kinky. Rapists and people who molest kids, they are the true perverts. IMO.

NBMG



littlewonder -> RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? (8/21/2012 7:32:40 PM)

no



FrostedFlake -> RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? (8/21/2012 8:02:17 PM)

It depends on who is asking. AND why.



Kana -> RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? (8/22/2012 6:04:17 AM)

My way is the path to nirvana.
Every other way, yeah, they're perversions, you sick twisted fucks you



KnightofMists -> RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? (8/22/2012 6:57:26 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: JeffBC

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterTitlis
Is BDSM and/or a D/s lifestyle perversion?

1. (Psychology) any abnormal means of obtaining sexual satisfaction

Since BDSM is not, even now, anything like mainstream I'd have to say that BDSM is a perversion. D/s... not so much. I'd actually call that as normal and vanilla as you can get.


Frankly I think what is abnormal is one gaining sexual gratification that violates or abuses the well being of another individual. So no I don't see ethical BDSM to be a perversion. But the acts themselves could be part of someones perverse means to obtain their sexual satisfaction.

Secondly... D/s is not sexual at its core thou it does coexist nicely with ones sexual activity and can even be a major factor in how one gains their sexual satisfaction. This not to say BDSM activity exists In these dynamics. Only that the authority or power structure within these dynamics affect their sexual activity. All rather normal if you ask me and hardly abnormal.



ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? (8/22/2012 7:06:03 AM)

Using FR:

Before you can seriously answer that question, you have to define perversion, which come from pervert.

Here's the Concise OED's definition:

© 2008 Oxford University Press:

pervert
▶verb
/pəˈvəːt/ 
1 alter from its original meaning or state to a corruption of what was first intended.
2 lead away from what is right, natural, or acceptable.

Based on the above definition, I say no.

Not that far back, homosexuality was considered a mental disorder that could be "cured," and still is by some. I consider kinky sex a bonus factor for us risk-taking creative types who don't just hear the beat of a different drummer, we have our own bands.






topcat -> RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? (8/22/2012 7:44:30 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

Using FR:

Before you can seriously answer that question, you have to define perversion, which come from pervert.

Here's the Concise OED's definition:

© 2008 Oxford University Press:

pervert
▶verb
/pəˈvəːt/ 
1 alter from its original meaning or state to a corruption of what was first intended.
2 lead away from what is right, natural, or acceptable.

Based on the above definition, I say no.

Not that far back, homosexuality was considered a mental disorder that could be "cured," and still is by some. I consider kinky sex a bonus factor for us risk-taking creative types who don't just hear the beat of a different drummer, we have our own bands.


Yep!

On that basis, I prefer "deviant" or "deviance".



crazyml -> RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? (8/22/2012 9:14:18 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

Using FR:

Before you can seriously answer that question, you have to define perversion, which come from pervert.

Here's the Concise OED's definition:

© 2008 Oxford University Press:

pervert
▶verb
/pəˈvəːt/ 
1 alter from its original meaning or state to a corruption of what was first intended.
2 lead away from what is right, natural, or acceptable.

Based on the above definition, I say no.

Not that far back, homosexuality was considered a mental disorder that could be "cured," and still is by some. I consider kinky sex a bonus factor for us risk-taking creative types who don't just hear the beat of a different drummer, we have our own bands.






I'll take this one.



DesFIP -> RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? (8/22/2012 10:52:11 AM)

It isn't perverted for me any more that being straight is. This is natural for me.
It becomes perverted when you pervert your, or your partner's, basic nature to do it.

YMMV



Hillwilliam -> RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? (8/22/2012 10:56:31 AM)

I'm just kinky....Y'all are perverts.



needlesandpins -> RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? (8/22/2012 11:06:35 AM)

i find it strange that so many seem to want to shy away from the word. it's just a word that is attached to anything outside of vanilla sex. however, in the true sence of the word most of us are as much of a pervert as the claim of being a slave, a daddy, his little girl, slut, whore, bitch etc etc.

what i do is natural to me, but i'll gladly own pervert and stand out from the crowd of those who may try to use it to try and offend or insult me.

i'll shrug my shoulders 'yeah, what of it?'

i'm his slut, whore, bitch, hussy, wanton tart. i'm his filthy, dirty, nasty little pervert, and i'm none of it at all.

words only have the power, and influence that we allow them to have.

needles



amaidiamond -> RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? (8/22/2012 11:13:02 AM)

quote:

Is BDSM and/or a D/s lifestyle perversion?


Personally i think it depends

One can have loads of kinky sex without power exchange - or indeed power exchange without kinky sex

When my Owner and I started out their was no sex involved, yep you got it right, no sex - but their was ALWAYS power exchange

I am in a male lead relationship, it is MUCH closer to a 1950's household than a porn movie

Do I ALSO like kinky sex> whips, chains, wax, knives, needles et al?? HELL YES

Do those things alter my dynamic? HELL NO



MzWhipplash -> RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? (8/22/2012 1:09:36 PM)

To be peverse - to challenge or reject what main stream society does. Well I practised my kink behind closed doors within my marriage. In a flr for 20 years. (Finished 2 years ago.) So my husband was seen as "Under The Thumb" by family. Which feels natural to me. Not Power Exchange - I was the Authority. No exchange there.

D/s which I have with My 2 males. Is it perverse? Absolutely. I like it that way. And yes I still am the Authority in My Household.



doctorgrey -> RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? (8/22/2012 2:05:49 PM)

I hope so, or I ain't doing it!

DrG



Alecta -> RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? (8/23/2012 1:27:23 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterTitlis
Is BDSM and/or a D/s lifestyle perversion?



"Perversion" itself is subjective to the environment in which the act is observed.
There are many places around the world and many pockets of subcultures, in which certain acts or beliefs common to BDSM and/or D/s are considered the norm without being specifically linked to BDSM or D/s. To them, the aspects that are familiar would not be perverse.
In a society where everyone is homosexual, heterosexuality is perverse.
It's all about context.



culareD -> RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? (8/23/2012 12:56:36 PM)

I've spent entirely too many year being told that it was "BAAAAAAD" to be perverted...and naughty!!!

Well, I am loving (times a million) being bad and naughty...just saying.

culare'd ~ recent "out of the closet" pervert and proud of it!



chemeli -> RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? (8/23/2012 1:35:33 PM)

Depends what is your meaning of perversion; in my mind, someone really perverted is a pedophile or a necrophiliac. Perversion is a pejorative term for me. Kinky on the other hand....

If the term perversion is used to attract those who seeks a thrill in that what they do is different, kinky, dirty, etc, you may use the term IMO.

Just my [sm=2cents.gif]



Karmastic -> RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? (8/23/2012 6:03:57 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: JeffBC

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterTitlis
Is BDSM and/or a D/s lifestyle perversion?

1. (Psychology) any abnormal means of obtaining sexual satisfaction

Since BDSM is not, even now, anything like mainstream I'd have to say that BDSM is a perversion. D/s... not so much. I'd actually call that as normal and vanilla as you can get.

THIS!

to expand on this...i do agree, d/s is the norm, albeit, not PC in our day and age (what a farce, but i won't go there).

taking a general definition..."Perversion is a concept describing those types of human behavior that deviate from what is considered to be orthodox or normal."

since BDSM isn't mainstream, yes, it's a perversion. that doesn't make it wrong. i can think of many VERY GOOD things and people that fit that definition. all the great minds were by no means mainstream. being different, aberrations, and mutations are how humans grow and evolve.



chemeli -> RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? (8/23/2012 8:09:42 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Karmastic


i can think of many VERY GOOD things and people that fit that definition. all the great minds were by no means mainstream. being different, aberrations, and mutations are how humans grow and evolve.




Charles Darwin did wrote about that actually. Evolution....



buttsniffer123 -> RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? (8/28/2012 12:50:45 PM)

I prefer to think of it as a perversion...and the more perverse, the better!



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