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RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? - 8/28/2012 1:39:26 PM   
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Is BDSM & D/s Perversion?


Only if you do it with a midget shemale and a donkey.



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RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? - 8/28/2012 1:43:43 PM   
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Is BDSM & D/s Perversion?


Only if you do it with a midget shemale and a donkey.



And a coconut, at least. There has to be a coconut for it to count as perversion, surely? I'm pretty sure you get double points if you upgrade to a pineapple, though. :p

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RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? - 9/2/2012 2:18:11 PM   
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Is BDSM & D/s Perversion?


Only if you do it with a midget shemale and a donkey.



And a coconut, at least. There has to be a coconut for it to count as perversion, surely? I'm pretty sure you get double points if you upgrade to a pineapple, though. :p

Oh yes, pineapple definitely is an upgrade.

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RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? - 9/4/2012 7:09:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Good question. Other synonyms being:
Aberration
Anomaly
Corruption
Debauchery
Corruption
Crime
Debasement
Delinquency
Atrocity
Decadence
Degeneration
Degradation

My thought mainly comes that it is not, given the above. If it is a role that is played by one, it is therapeutic. The main requirements include: self control, purpose, and exploration. I feel it is like any lifestyle, ones own way of living , and is in contrast to the usual lifestyles of society.

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RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? - 9/4/2012 11:41:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		@ Titless - "perversion" is not a noun, more of a verb or adverb as it applies to and/or characterizes some activity, thus the question cannot be properly answered unless you state, a perversion of what?

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RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? - 9/6/2012 8:01:16 AM   
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Is BDSM and/or a D/s lifestyle perversion?


The ideology of practices typically associated with BDSM would be viewed as sexual perversions by persons whose beliefs and lifestyle contradict the philosophies promoted by culture. It is not merely the affixing of a label that suggests it is inappropriate, but merely the fact that it cannot coincide with the truths the individual adheres to.

On the surface the question is fairly simple to answer. The larger issue relates to the behaviors and mindset that constitute BDSM and if these things can be done without self-identification with the prevailing ethos.

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RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? - 9/6/2012 11:43:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterTitlis

As We/we know this topics has been raised many times I will ask those reading this the question again? Is BDSM and/or a D/s lifestyle perversion?

The reason I pose the question again is to get some fresh perspective for a new website I am launching in September. If you would, please keep your opinion/answer as pointed to the question as you can.

Master Titlis


I generally find two meanings inherent behind the term "perversion."

First is the alteration of something from its original course, meaning, or state to a distortion or corruption of what was first intended.

Second is sexual behavior or desire that is considered abnormal or unacceptable.

When I consider both ways the term can be used, I don't accept that domination-submission fits much at all in the first sense, nor does it fit neatly in the second, either. What is "considered abnormal" is left to much speculation, for humans often have a face they present to the world and one they keep behind closed doors. Who knows how many people really practice some iteration of BDSM and domination-submission in their sex lives to even the slightest degree—and who is the ultimate arbiter of what "bedroom play" crosses over to such practices or not? I've read reports that try to extrapolate the percentage of enthusiasts who embrace or at least practice some form of BDSM within the general population, but they are too parsimonious, antiquated, or small in scope to get an accurate estimation.

I think many like to stroke themselves with the thought this is all so deviant and sexually iconoclastic. In reality, BDSM has become more "mainstreamed" and industrialized than ever before. Just how much of a "perversity" it really is among all but the most conservative and naive makes me wonder a little. The answer changes depending upon depth and scope, I tend to conclude. If you're an extreme fetishist/masochist/sadist that lives your BDSM on an entirely more serious and committed level, then yes, I'd say it's perversion with a big P. Everything else may be perversion with a little p. I don't think of these things as perversions myself. Much of it is blasé to me, save master-slave—but master-slave is something I view as far removed from what BDSM or even D/s has come to mean, so I don't even include that practice when considering them both in this sense.

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RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? - 9/6/2012 3:51:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterTitlis

As We/we know this topics has been raised many times I will ask those reading this the question again? Is BDSM and/or a D/s lifestyle perversion?

The reason I pose the question again is to get some fresh perspective for a new website I am launching in September. If you would, please keep your opinion/answer as pointed to the question as you can.

Master Titlis


I'll keep it pointed.

All you BDSM motherfuckers are just sick, perverted sons of bitches.

I'm watching (every one of) you.

You know who you are.

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RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? - 9/6/2012 6:30:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterTitlis

As We/we know this topics has been raised many times I will ask those reading this the question again? Is BDSM and/or a D/s lifestyle perversion?

The reason I pose the question again is to get some fresh perspective for a new website I am launching in September. If you would, please keep your opinion/answer as pointed to the question as you can.

Master Titlis



Don't know if anyone gave this same response, but if so, oh well, here it is again... from me, lol.

My best friend is very vanilla but has known what I am for many years. Though, until now, she never really knew how deeply I was into this (I told her everything when she told me she was reading the 50 Shades series). When we spoke about things she was reading, and I confirmed that, yes, that's me too!, I would say to her, "I know, this is not normal, it's crazy..." She would say that it's normal for me and that's okay. I don't think this life is a perversion, it's just an alternate way of life, like being gay which is also not a perversion. If anyone out thinks we're perverted, then they live in a closed-minded bubble. IMO, that is. :)

If this lifestyle is a perversion, then call me what everyone else calls me: a pervette. lol (some of my friends really do call me that, lol)

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RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? - 9/6/2012 6:33:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: MasterTitlis

As We/we know this topics has been raised many times I will ask those reading this the question again? Is BDSM and/or a D/s lifestyle perversion?

The reason I pose the question again is to get some fresh perspective for a new website I am launching in September. If you would, please keep your opinion/answer as pointed to the question as you can.

Master Titlis


I'll keep it pointed.

All you BDSM motherfuckers are just sick, perverted sons of bitches.

I'm watching (every one of) you.

You know who you are.


LOL! Love this! And, yes I do know who I am and I'd damn proud too. ;D

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RE: Is BDSM & D/s Perversion? - 9/6/2012 6:42:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Okay, so working with the following concept of "perversion",

"Perversion is a concept describing those types of human behavior that deviate from what is considered to be orthodox or normal. Although it can refer to varying forms of deviation, it is most often used to describe sexual behaviors that are seen by an individual as abnormal, repulsive or obsessive. What is considered perverse is necessarily subjective."

So it all boils down to what one thinks is "normal". Should we start another thread and see if we can define what constitutes "normal sexual behavior" in the year 2012?

Well, regardless, personally, I feel that any sexual activity, even good ole vanilla missionary can be perverse. It is all a matter of context.

I would not, in 2012, with the understanding of BDSM that currently exists, consider BDSM a perversion per se.

But, like any sexual behavior, BDSM as experienced by a particular person, could be a perversion (I see this as the obsessive aspect - if one becomes unable to function in other parts of one's life because one is obsessed with any type of sexual behavior, this is likely a perversion). Really, context is everything.

But going back to the "abnormal" issue. I do not consider BDSM to be either mainstream or average (as the term is understood mathematically). But I do not consider it to be "abnormal" either. There is a difference between "very few people do this, it is unusual" and "the people who do this are displaying abnormal interests".

< Message edited by fucktoyprincess -- 9/6/2012 6:45:29 PM >

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