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DaddySatyr -> Anti-Colonialism & The Obama Psyche (8/25/2012 3:53:06 PM)

For a long time, now and many times on these very boards I have accused the US of engaging in "Empire Building". I believe we can see evidence of it, just about everywhere; the Middle East, Central and South America, the near and far East. It's not a theory (in my mind). It's a doctrine.

Of course, there are always cries of: "We have interests in that part of the world" or "They deserve democracy".

While I may believe that everyone deserves democracy, I have never believed that it is our job to bring it to them. It is their job to demand it from their leaders. Arguably, there may be times when true revolution demands that we help a down-trodden people to acquire what we are able to offer but those instances almost never happen.

Where were the protests, after we removed Saddam, calling for democracy. I seem to recall that there were a few people in that vein but the majority seemed to be shouting for Muslim Theocracy. We didn't need to extend our stay in Iraq past the capture of Saddam because "they deserved a democracy". That's a bullshit excuse. They deserved our help in getting them back on their feet under any form of government they chose, as a people. That's it.

Because we have been so busy, protecting our interests and spreading democracy (almost like a farmer spreads manure), we have been engaging in what I call "Empire building" but, I forgot that the rest of the world calls it something else ... Colonialism.

We all know that this country started as a group of colonies and, eventually, we threw off the yoke of our oppressors. It's funny how things have changed and we are, now the new British Empire.

I always knew that my ideals and Barack Obama's ideals were polar opposites and while his political ideology fits right in with four out of four of the planks of socialism. The error of my ways is that I never understood why. I always assumed that he was a history-less (is that even a fucking word?) construct of the DNC - made so so that no one could attack his past. I blew it.

I just came home from seeing "Obama's America 2016" and D'Souza really presented some excellent evidence as to the formulation of Barry's socialism. He's not so much a socialist in his methods as he is in his outcomes. He's an Anti-Colonialist. This is the answer; the missing key part of the behavior of an Anti-American president. Of course, he's Anti-American. It was how he was raised and it was the fight left unfinished by his father who he never really knew.

A father who was praised by his mother that was absent and therefore could not exhibit those behaviors that made him a regular human being. He liked to take a little nip, now and then, according to friends of his in his home village and in Nairobi. There's nothing wrong with that, of course, unless it leads to other things. There's a belief amongst his friends that alcohol may have been involved in his fatal car crash. There were hushed rumors of what we would call spousal abuse but what other cultures seem to take pretty much in stride.

As a polyamorist, I have no issue with polygamy but I do have an issue with a man that travels to the other side of the globe and engages in it without either lady to whom he's married knowing that she is party to a deception of his construct.

Obama Sr. was an Anti-Colonialist and as one of his best friends describes him a "leftist". Neither is a damning accusation when you consider being called a leftist in a society where public thought is somewhere just slightly right of the Kaiser. But, what is more important is how one wishes to disencumber themselves from that Empire which casts such a large shadow.

In the case of the US, we wrote an elaborate document, complete with calligraphy and in very formal and polite language, inviting King George III to kiss our collective arse. We said, essentially: "We are not yours, anymore" and with the help of some German soldiers and the French navy, we defended ourselves from the military fall-out of that declaration.

When we had defeated the British, we didn't cross the Atlantic and try to convert them to our way of thinking. We said: "So long, suckers!" and went on about our business.

That is not how Obama Sr. and now, his son - by virtue of vowing to finish the fight his father started - look at Anti-Colonialism. To them imperialistic rulers must be toppled and made to taste the bitter liquid that is the ale of defeat. Oppressors must not just be thrown off; they must be erradicated. They must be terminated (Sounds a little bit like our foreign policy over the last 50 years or so. No?).

So now, little Barry is faced with the choice of raising an Army in a foreign nation or doing what any smart warrior would choose to do with the options open to him. If you don't like something, don't stand on the outside and peg rocks at it. Change it!

I have frequently said that if the NRA has 2 million members and all the anti-gun crowd would band together, join the NRA, bring 3 million anti-gun people to the next steering committee meeting and call a vote, that they would absolutely get their way.

That is what barack Obama is doing. That his methods resemble socialism is almost undeniable. That he continually fails to strengthen our country with his policies but, somehow manages to strengthen others is also a pretty solid fact (No off-shoot pipeline out of Canadia for us but, money to beef up drilling for other countries).

I now believe that we are engaged in a civil war; a truly civil war where no shots have been fired. A war that has not seen bullet-riddled bodies left in its wake but bodies of the sick, poor, and slowly dying.

"... testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure" indeed!



Peace and comfort,



Michael




vincentML -> RE: Anti-Colonialism & The Obama Psyche (8/25/2012 4:31:47 PM)

quote:

For a long time, now and many times on these very boards I have accused the US of engaging in "Empire Building". I believe we can see evidence of it, just about everywhere; the Middle East, Central and South America, the near and far East. It's not a theory (in my mind). It's a doctrine.


quote:

That is not how Obama Sr. and now, his son - by virtue of vowing to finish the fight his father started - look at Anti-Colonialism. To them imperialistic rulers must be toppled and made to taste the bitter liquid that is the ale of defeat. Oppressors must not just be thrown off; they must be erradicated. They must be terminated (Sounds a little bit like our foreign policy over the last 50 years or so. No?).


So, Michael, in the first quote above you seem to say Imperialism/Colonialism is bad. In the second paragraph you castigate Obama Sr for wanting to lift the yoke of Colonial oppression. Which side are you on? Both? Seems quite contradictory.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Anti-Colonialism & The Obama Psyche (8/25/2012 4:38:16 PM)

My objection is to the method.

Look at the contrast between what we did to the British and what we have been attempting to do since the end of WWII.

quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


In the case of the US, we wrote an elaborate document, complete with calligraphy and in very formal and polite language, inviting King George III to kiss our collective arse. We said, essentially: "We are not yours, anymore" and with the help of some German soldiers and the French navy, we defended ourselves from the military fall-out of that declaration.

When we had defeated the British, we didn't cross the Atlantic and try to convert them to our way of thinking. We said: "So long, suckers!" and went on about our business.

That is not how Obama Sr. and now, his son - by virtue of vowing to finish the fight his father started - look at Anti-Colonialism. To them imperialistic rulers must be toppled and made to taste the bitter liquid that is the ale of defeat. Oppressors must not just be thrown off; they must be erradicated. They must be terminated (Sounds a little bit like our foreign policy over the last 50 years or so. No?).

So now, little Barry is faced with the choice of raising an Army in a foreign nation or doing what any smart warrior would choose to do with the options open to him. If you don't like something, don't stand on the outside and peg rocks at it. Change it!



I think revolution is a good thing, at times. I think destroying what others seem to want is a bad idea. I believe the latter is the path that the pretender has chosen.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




Politesub53 -> RE: Anti-Colonialism & The Obama Psyche (8/25/2012 4:48:29 PM)

And here we have it. Another hidden "Anti-Muslim" rant, this time cloaked in ignorance and half truths.

There just had to be a tagline about a scary black Muslim in there somewhere.






DomKen -> RE: Anti-Colonialism & The Obama Psyche (8/25/2012 5:06:49 PM)

What I don't understand is why anyone anywhere pays any attention to the so thoroughly documented serial liar D'Souza.
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/dinesh-d-souza-091310




Winterapple -> RE: Anti-Colonialism & The Obama Psyche (8/25/2012 5:30:39 PM)

I enjoy Dinesh D'Souza, he can be a very clever
fellow. I find it hard to believe he believes
any of this new tale he's telling.
Intellectual dishonesty from someone
who is intelligent should be judged
harshly. He doesn't have the limited
ability of a Rush or a Palin. He knows
it's a crock but he's peddling it anyway.
And profiting from it to.

Obama's father was a anti-colonialist?
How shocking. I can't imagine why.
And Obama's mama. What a doozy of
a floozy she was.[8|]




TheHeretic -> RE: Anti-Colonialism & The Obama Psyche (8/25/2012 5:40:13 PM)

Whew.  I just saw your thread, Michael, but you seem to be heading down the specific anti-colonialist aspect, while I'm on about the demographics, and the sorts of people who will be working to send the President home to Chicago with their November vote, with my little screed.  They can be complementary, rather than duplicate. 

Good flick.




foreignterritory -> RE: Anti-Colonialism & The Obama Psyche (8/25/2012 5:48:01 PM)

D’Souza is quite pathetic. I don’t believe for a moment that he actually means what he says. He is simply insecured and wants to get accepted by the radical right!




DaddySatyr -> RE: Anti-Colonialism & The Obama Psyche (8/25/2012 5:50:41 PM)

Well, the psychology of why people do shit has always been interesting to me. I have said, more than once, that I think Obama is a good guy. I'd like to sit down a quaff a soda or two with him. I have never swayed from that.

I don't even think he's evil. I believe that he is doing what he believes to be correct. I just think he's wrong.

However, after seeing the film (a good portion of it in his own words) and getting a different perspective on why he does the things he does, I grasp a bit of an understanding about what goes on in public view. He's wrong but some would consider his motivation to be honorable. I don't.

I make the point that it's one thing to do what we did in 1776 and tell an oppressor to leave us alone. It's another to topple a government but in Barry's mind, he's doing what he feels is his destiny.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




slvemike4u -> RE: Anti-Colonialism & The Obama Psyche (8/25/2012 8:34:30 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

For a long time, now and many times on these very boards I have accused the US of engaging in "Empire Building". I believe we can see evidence of it, just about everywhere; the Middle East, Central and South America, the near and far East. It's not a theory (in my mind). It's a doctrine.

Of course, there are always cries of: "We have interests in that part of the world" or "They deserve democracy".

While I may believe that everyone deserves democracy, I have never believed that it is our job to bring it to them. It is their job to demand it from their leaders. Arguably, there may be times when true revolution demands that we help a down-trodden people to acquire what we are able to offer but those instances almost never happen.

Where were the protests, after we removed Saddam, calling for democracy. I seem to recall that there were a few people in that vein but the majority seemed to be shouting for Muslim Theocracy. We didn't need to extend our stay in Iraq past the capture of Saddam because "they deserved a democracy". That's a bullshit excuse. They deserved our help in getting them back on their feet under any form of government they chose, as a people. That's it.

Because we have been so busy, protecting our interests and spreading democracy (almost like a farmer spreads manure), we have been engaging in what I call "Empire building" but, I forgot that the rest of the world calls it something else ... Colonialism.

We all know that this country started as a group of colonies and, eventually, we threw off the yoke of our oppressors. It's funny how things have changed and we are, now the new British Empire.

I always knew that my ideals and Barack Obama's ideals were polar opposites and while his political ideology fits right in with four out of four of the planks of socialism. The error of my ways is that I never understood why. I always assumed that he was a history-less (is that even a fucking word?) construct of the DNC - made so so that no one could attack his past. I blew it.

I just came home from seeing "Obama's America 2016" and D'Souza really presented some excellent evidence as to the formulation of Barry's socialism. He's not so much a socialist in his methods as he is in his outcomes. He's an Anti-Colonialist. This is the answer; the missing key part of the behavior of an Anti-American president. Of course, he's Anti-American. It was how he was raised and it was the fight left unfinished by his father who he never really knew.

A father who was praised by his mother that was absent and therefore could not exhibit those behaviors that made him a regular human being. He liked to take a little nip, now and then, according to friends of his in his home village and in Nairobi. There's nothing wrong with that, of course, unless it leads to other things. There's a belief amongst his friends that alcohol may have been involved in his fatal car crash. There were hushed rumors of what we would call spousal abuse but what other cultures seem to take pretty much in stride.

As a polyamorist, I have no issue with polygamy but I do have an issue with a man that travels to the other side of the globe and engages in it without either lady to whom he's married knowing that she is party to a deception of his construct.

Obama Sr. was an Anti-Colonialist and as one of his best friends describes him a "leftist". Neither is a damning accusation when you consider being called a leftist in a society where public thought is somewhere just slightly right of the Kaiser. But, what is more important is how one wishes to disencumber themselves from that Empire which casts such a large shadow.

In the case of the US, we wrote an elaborate document, complete with calligraphy and in very formal and polite language, inviting King George III to kiss our collective arse. We said, essentially: "We are not yours, anymore" and with the help of some German soldiers and the French navy, we defended ourselves from the military fall-out of that declaration.

When we had defeated the British, we didn't cross the Atlantic and try to convert them to our way of thinking. We said: "So long, suckers!" and went on about our business.

That is not how Obama Sr. and now, his son - by virtue of vowing to finish the fight his father started - look at Anti-Colonialism. To them imperialistic rulers must be toppled and made to taste the bitter liquid that is the ale of defeat. Oppressors must not just be thrown off; they must be erradicated. They must be terminated (Sounds a little bit like our foreign policy over the last 50 years or so. No?).

So now, little Barry is faced with the choice of raising an Army in a foreign nation or doing what any smart warrior would choose to do with the options open to him. If you don't like something, don't stand on the outside and peg rocks at it. Change it!

I have frequently said that if the NRA has 2 million members and all the anti-gun crowd would band together, join the NRA, bring 3 million anti-gun people to the next steering committee meeting and call a vote, that they would absolutely get their way.

That is what barack Obama is doing. That his methods resemble socialism is almost undeniable. That he continually fails to strengthen our country with his policies but, somehow manages to strengthen others is also a pretty solid fact (No off-shoot pipeline out of Canadia for us but, money to beef up drilling for other countries).

I now believe that we are engaged in a civil war; a truly civil war where no shots have been fired. A war that has not seen bullet-riddled bodies left in its wake but bodies of the sick, poor, and slowly dying.

"... testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure" indeed!



Peace and comfort,



Michael


2 minutes of my life that I will never get back [:@]




slvemike4u -> RE: Anti-Colonialism & The Obama Psyche (8/25/2012 8:36:27 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

What I don't understand is why anyone anywhere pays any attention to the so thoroughly documented serial liar D'Souza.
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/dinesh-d-souza-091310

Bias confirmation ?




SternSkipper -> RE: Anti-Colonialism & The Obama Psyche (8/25/2012 8:42:46 PM)

quote:

2 minutes of my life that I will never get back [:****]


Ya Think?




xBullx -> RE: Anti-Colonialism & The Obama Psyche (8/26/2012 7:02:15 AM)

-Fast Reply-

I'm not sure about the movie thing or the overall context of what Obama might be, but I do agree that one point in the OP's discussion seems to be coming to fruition.

We are in the early stages of a civil "conflict". And while there are no guns involved to this point, I suspect both sides have contingencies that allow for it.

In other words I no longer have confidence (trust) in anyone anymore; and somehow I doubt I’m alone in this premise.




Yachtie -> RE: Anti-Colonialism & The Obama Psyche (8/26/2012 7:35:49 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx

-Fast Reply-

I'm not sure about the movie thing or the overall context of what Obama might be, but I do agree that one point in the OP's discussion seems to be coming to fruition.

We are in the early stages of a civil "conflict". And while there are no guns involved to this point, I suspect both sides have contingencies that allow for it.

In other words I no longer have confidence (trust) in anyone anymore; and somehow I doubt I’m alone in this premise.




But we are seeing an increase in gun violence. I think too many are misunderstand the nature of its misdirection. I can only posit that such violence is either an unintended consequence of the times we are in (far removed from the America I grew up in) or, and this is more worrisome, an anticipated reaction useful to other ends.





GotSteel -> RE: Anti-Colonialism & The Obama Psyche (8/26/2012 7:40:49 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx
We are in the early stages of a civil "conflict". And while there are no guns involved to this point, I suspect both sides have contingencies that allow for it.


No it's just the Republicans that are regularly threatening the rest of us with violence.

The 50's sucked so bad that there was a massive "civil conflict" in the 60's, you might have heard of it. Since then there's been a portion of the Republican party trying to regress the country back to the 50's. I think a number of them have finally realized that it's just not going to happen through political means and they are freaking the fuck out.




Arturas -> RE: Anti-Colonialism & The Obama Psyche (8/26/2012 8:00:15 AM)

All of what you say might be correct about Obama. I don't know. What I do know is the Nation is slowly being put under the control of the have-nots who vote to put a President in office so they can have that which they do not work for. Those on welfare and unemployment vote for those who give them free support for as long as they vote for those who promise this. Naturally, this results in a struggle between the haves and the have-nots or class warfare in the press and in the legislatures of this Nation and it's states. As the have-not population encreases then they have more votes and more control over the haves. This leaves the haves with two options: Leave it or love it. But armed conflict? No, its bad for business. Those that have the most will take it elsewhere leaving the have-nots left there and the U.S. a poverty riden third world country with a bad credit rating.

It's what naturally happens when you allow anyone to vote and most of the "anyones" want something for nothing now. Notice the founding fathers knew this and so only allowed property owners the vote. This prevented what we will have very soon down the road, the couch potatoes taxing the high achievers to pay for their couch potatoe lifestyle (see "Walmartian" on youtube).

I'm afraid that is the way of the world. If you let all vote and most are low achievers then the low achievers control the high achievers through a "get out the vote" effort by some well meaning leftists until the high achievers move their money and even themselves overseas (like the founder of Facebook recently and others) and America crumbles (noticed the infrastructure around you lately?).




Lucylastic -> RE: Anti-Colonialism & The Obama Psyche (8/26/2012 8:38:05 AM)

Sounds like you want to go back to feudalism Arty, or nope sorry, strip the constitution, and the ability of the "have nots" to "better" themselves. How many former "haves" are now the "have nots", how many of the "have nots" have had their livlihoods stripped of them by the "haves"?





SternSkipper -> RE: Anti-Colonialism & The Obama Psyche (8/26/2012 8:41:15 AM)

quote:

Sounds like you want to go back to feudalism Arty, or nope sorry, strip the constitution, and the ability of the "have nots" to "better" themselves. How many former "haves" are now the "have nots", how many of the "have nots" have had their livlihoods stripped of them by the "haves"?


Feudalism was something a .22 cal republican can understand. This thread has, in it's waste of good bytes, brought out the most prominent of them.
The Tang Think Tank.




Musicmystery -> RE: Anti-Colonialism & The Obama Psyche (8/26/2012 9:19:12 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel

quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx
We are in the early stages of a civil "conflict". And while there are no guns involved to this point, I suspect both sides have contingencies that allow for it.


No it's just the Republicans that are regularly threatening the rest of us with violence.

The 50's sucked so bad that there was a massive "civil conflict" in the 60's, you might have heard of it. Since then there's been a portion of the Republican party trying to regress the country back to the 50's. I think a number of them have finally realized that it's just not going to happen through political means and they are freaking the fuck out.

Unaccustomed as I am to agreeing with Steel . . . I think he's on to something here.




RacerJim -> RE: Anti-Colonialism & The Obama Psyche (8/26/2012 9:51:30 AM)

You can lead Obama-minions to Obama's own words and actions but they are either too blind to see or, worse, in agreement with Obama's stated intent to fundamentally transform the United States Of America.

During his 2008 campaign Obama said: "Judge me by the people that I surround myself with." Fine, here's a circular chart of the people Obama has surrounded himself with:

Who Obama Has Surrounded Himself With




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