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elected on honesty - 8/26/2012 8:19:33 AM   
defiantbadgirl


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Status: offline 		This doesn't apply to any particular presidential election, but all presidential elections in general. If Congress is half Republican controlled and half Democrat controlled, what if instead of promising to do this or that, a nominee would say they will try to convince Congress to do this or that? Save the actual promises for when the House and Senate are controlled by the same party as the nominee. That would certainly be a lot more honest. How do you think it would come across if a candidate ran his/her campaign that way?

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RE: elected on honesty - 8/26/2012 8:27:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think you make an excellent point! I LOVE honesty. Give it to me, straight. Hurt me now to avoid bigger hurt, later.

The problem is that offering to "referee" doesn't project the idea of "leader". That's where the conflict is.

It's almost similar to presidents that we know aren't very religious who make a show of going to church. We seem to demand the behavior (even though we're supposed to be a secular society).

If an issue seems to be important to the electorate, it's hardly logical to expect a politician to avoid politicizing it.



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RE: elected on honesty - 8/26/2012 9:24:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		McCain gave it to you straight, at least at first. And you said fuck that, let's go with W.

Then McCain decided to sell himself out, and became the nominee...but not electable.

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RE: elected on honesty - 8/26/2012 1:32:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		The nice thing about that strategy is that when the Radicals constipate things again, the Pres can lay the blame squarely where it belongs. "I said I would try, and I did, but they won't do their job!"

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RE: elected on honesty - 8/26/2012 1:43:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		It doesn't work.

1. Saying "I'll try to do something" never cuts it. Saying I'll do it, and then reporting back on roadblocks is much better.
2. Voters don't like to hear that the President's power is limited. Thus, Obama's getting blamed for not getting bills passed (when the system was set up so that he's not supposed to have power over the Legislative branch). Also, Romney's making promises about what he'll do on Day One that no President could accomplish.
3. It just sounds wussy. Voters like decisive candidates.

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RE: elected on honesty - 8/26/2012 3:03:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Promises in politics can't be taken seriously, nor have they been for some time.

They are what people want to hear, and people put you in office, so of course you'll promise.

That said, honesty would be refreshing, on your side of the border or even up here. "The reason we can't do this is..." and get to the meat of the situation. People might be inclined to be more active if they realized they might have solutions to offer, but this Western World isn't quite that enlightened; we pick shepherds and are expected to be sheep.

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RE: elected on honesty - 8/27/2012 3:01:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

McCain gave it to you straight, at least at first. And you said fuck that, let's go with W.



Huh ? You get elected on a hindred years on the Iraq war and I will toss your salad on public square and give you an hour to draw a crowd. If you vote in this country and WANT war, you should be killed. Consider it a late term abortion.

But then some people are thaty stupid.

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RE: elected on honesty - 8/27/2012 7:17:09 AM   
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