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nephandi -> RE: Tough Call: Security Vs. Religion (8/27/2012 4:31:55 AM)

Greetings

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Do the crime,do the time.Seems pretty simple.He wants religious freedom?Then don't work with people who try to suppress religous freedom


By both American and international law prisoners have the right for religious freedom as that is considered a basic human right. I do not agree that if someone have done a crime then you should be able to do anything to them and take away any right, a criminal to should be treated with basic human decency and get his human rights, including the right to freedom of religion respected no matter what he or she have done.

I wish you well




Hillwilliam -> RE: Tough Call: Security Vs. Religion (8/27/2012 7:28:28 AM)


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Do the crime,do the time.Seems pretty simple.He wants religious freedom?Then don't work with people who try to suppress religous freedom

Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who define "Religious Freedom" as

The right to practice my religion freely...........fuck you and yours.




kalikshama -> RE: Tough Call: Security Vs. Religion (8/27/2012 7:28:50 AM)

I'd be on Lindh's side but for not knowing the truth about his February speech and the fire incident.

http://news.yahoo.com/american-taliban-seeks-group-prayer-ind-prison-171224890.html

...The American Civil Liberties Union of Indiana, which is representing Lindh, contends the policy violates a federal law barring the government from restricting religious activities without showing a compelling need.

"This is an open unit where prisoners are basically out all day," said ACLU legal director Ken Falk, noting that inmates are allowed to play basketball and board games, watch television and converse as long as they speak English so the guards can understand.

"They can do basically any peaceful activity except praying," he said. "It makes no sense to say this is one activity we're going to prohibit in the name of security."

Joe Hogsett, the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Indiana, said he believes decisions about prison regulations are best made by prison officials, "not by convicted terrorists and other dangerous criminals who reside there."

"Mr. Lindh is allowed to pray in his cell; he's allowed to pray wherever he happens to be as many times every day as his religion suggests to him that he should," Hogsett said. "Where the rules must draw the line is how often must prison officials allow prisoners to congregate together?"

Attorneys for the government maintain that Lindh's own behavior since he was placed in the unit in 2007 proves the risks of allowing group prayer.

The government says in court documents that Lindh delivered a "radical, all-Arabic sermon" to other Muslim prisoners in February that was in keeping with techniques in a manual seized from al-Qaida members that details how terrorists should conduct themselves when they are imprisoned.

Lindh's sermon proves "that religious activities led by Muslim inmates are being used as a vehicle for radicalization and violence in the CMU," the government claims.

Falk said Lindh's speech wasn't radical and was given during the weekly prayer that inmates are permitted. He said Lindh was not disciplined for the speech.

...According to court documents, daily prayers were allowed from the time the unit opened in 2006 until May 2007, when Muslim inmates refused to stop in the middle of a prayer to return to their cells during a fire emergency.




hlen5 -> RE: Tough Call: Security Vs. Religion (8/27/2012 12:00:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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................and I'm not moving to Illinois for a few months.

Peace and comfort,
Michael


(Lindh is in Indiana, not Illinois.)

He's not being forbidden to pray, he's being forbidden to congregate.


Thanks. I knew it was in one of the fly-over states to the West of Pennsyltucky.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




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hardcybermaster -> RE: Tough Call: Security Vs. Religion (8/27/2012 5:10:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: hlen5


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

................and I'm not moving to Illinois for a few months.

Peace and comfort,
Michael


(Lindh is in Indiana, not Illinois.)

He's not being forbidden to pray, he's being forbidden to congregate.


Thanks. I knew it was in one of the fly-over states to the West of Pennsyltucky.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




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peace and comfort hlen, calm down cos daddy is always right




erieangel -> RE: Tough Call: Security Vs. Religion (8/28/2012 1:13:50 AM)

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Pennsyltucky.


I deeply recent that butchering of my lovely state.




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