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PA GOP candidate pre marital sex is equal to rape. - 8/27/2012 2:53:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		In todays WTF moment Tom Smith, republican candidate for the Senate in PA, declared that sex out of wedlock was 'similiar' to rape.
http://www.politicspa.com/smith-makes-abortion-gaffe-with-audio/40404/

As someone who has only had sex outside marriage I find being compared to rapists to be one of the most ridiculous things to come out of the party of sexual repression in this cycle.
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RE: PA GOP candidate pre marital sex is equal to rape. - 8/27/2012 3:06:41 PM   
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Just how stupid are these people,and how stupid is this position ?
No exceptions is of course the natural end game for any idiot who puts forth the notion that "life begins at conception"
And yes,just to clarify,I did say that this position,and those people holding it is/are idotic/idiots.
Notice of course that his daughter made the "decision"....in other words she had the right to make that fucking decision,a right that these assholes seek to take away from everyone else's daughters.
Fuck him,fuck that position and all the assholes who subscribe to it.

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RE: PA GOP candidate pre marital sex is equal to rape. - 8/27/2012 3:33:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		The poor idiot. He was trying to say that he'd been in a position where he opposed abortion and urged his daughter to have the baby. He had this idea that all proper babies were the result of a heterosexual marriage and the others are at risk of abortion. He didn't even realize that he was equating out-of-marriage babies with rape-induced babies. And when it did slowly hit him what he'd said, he tried to deny it. He's toast.

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RE: PA GOP candidate pre marital sex is equal to rape. - 8/27/2012 8:02:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

In todays WTF moment Tom Smith, republican candidate for the Senate in PA, declared that sex out of wedlock was 'similiar' to rape.
http://www.politicspa.com/smith-makes-abortion-gaffe-with-audio/40404/

As someone who has only had sex outside marriage I find being compared to rapists to be one of the most ridiculous things to come out of the party of sexual repression in this cycle.

Does the dumb SOB realize that he has just opened the door for abortions on demand because "It was 'rape'"

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RE: PA GOP candidate pre marital sex is equal to rape. - 8/27/2012 8:07:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

In todays WTF moment Tom Smith, republican candidate for the Senate in PA, declared that sex out of wedlock was 'similiar' to rape.
http://www.politicspa.com/smith-makes-abortion-gaffe-with-audio/40404/

As someone who has only had sex outside marriage I find being compared to rapists to be one of the most ridiculous things to come out of the party of sexual repression in this cycle.

Does the dumb SOB realize that he has just opened the door for abortions on demand because "It was 'rape'"

Isn't that the real reason to most of the "no rape exception"folks?
I figure most of them would be more reasonable in the face of an obviously beaten,violently assaulted(not that rape in and of itself isn't a violent assault)rape victim.....but they fear countless false rape clams in an effort to qualify for any exception .

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RE: PA GOP candidate pre marital sex is equal to rape. - 8/27/2012 8:08:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Being a PA resident, I had to laugh with I read this.

I've not been all that happy with Casey's voting record. He's not his father after all.

However, this idiot has just secured my vote for Casey.


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RE: PA GOP candidate pre marital sex is equal to rape. - 8/27/2012 8:10:45 PM   
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RE: PA GOP candidate pre marital sex is equal to rape. - 8/27/2012 8:32:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
In todays WTF moment Tom Smith, republican candidate for the Senate in PA, declared that sex out of wedlock was 'similiar' to rape.
http://www.politicspa.com/smith-makes-abortion-gaffe-with-audio/40404/
As someone who has only had sex outside marriage I find being compared to rapists to be one of the most ridiculous things to come out of the party of sexual repression in this cycle.


Well, that's a relief, but also brings up more questions. How is it possible that women have babies out wedlock? I thought legitimate rapes didn't result in pregnancies? Oh, wait. Sex out of wedlock must be "illegitimate" rape. *That's* why he said it was "similar" to rape. I can't believe how much I'm learning about all this stuff. Never would have thought I knew so little about the female reproductive system and it's processes.

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RE: PA GOP candidate pre marital sex is equal to rape. - 8/27/2012 9:12:51 PM   
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How is it possible that women have babies out wedlock? I thought legitimate rapes didn't result in pregnancies? Oh, wait. Sex out of wedlock must be "illegitimate" rape. *That's* why he said it was "similar" to rape. I can't believe how much I'm learning about all this stuff. Never would have thought I knew so little about the female reproductive system and it's processes.

Don't try to understand the Radical view on this! Your head will explode!

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RE: PA GOP candidate pre marital sex is equal to rape. - 8/28/2012 11:42:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

In todays WTF moment Tom Smith, republican candidate for the Senate in PA, declared that sex out of wedlock was 'similiar' to rape.
http://www.politicspa.com/smith-makes-abortion-gaffe-with-audio/40404/

As someone who has only had sex outside marriage I find being compared to rapists to be one of the most ridiculous things to come out of the party of sexual repression in this cycle.


And the tea party strikes again

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RE: PA GOP candidate pre marital sex is equal to rape. - 8/28/2012 12:03:38 PM   
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One of the famous man-hating "Womens' Rights" leaders made the claim that ALL hetero-sexual sex was rape for a woman so, this guy sounds like he's halfway to conversion.


Who? Wasn't Dworkin or MacKinnon, although this statement has been attributed to both of them by their opponents: http://www.snopes.com/quotes/mackinnon.asp



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RE: PA GOP candidate pre marital sex is equal to rape. - 8/28/2012 1:06:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can't figure out what he's trying to say. I'm not sure that No, no, no means No here.

http://www.politicspa.com/updated-smith-makes-abortion-gaffe-with-audio/40404/

...the following is PoliticsPA’s transcript:

Robert Vickers, Patriot News: In light of Congressman Akin’s comments, is there any situation that you think a woman should have access to an abortion?

Tom Smith: My stance is on record and it’s very simplistic: I’m pro-life, period. And what that Congressman said, I do not agree with at all. He should have never said anything like that.

Vickers: So in cases of incest or rape…

Laura Olson, Post-Gazette: No exceptions?

Smith: No exceptions.

Mark Scolforo, Associated Press: How would you tell a daughter or a granddaughter who, God forbid, would be the victim of a rape, to keep the child against her own will? Do you have a way to explain that?

Smith: I lived something similar to that with my own family. She chose life, and I commend her for that. She knew my views. But, fortunately for me, I didn’t have to.. she chose they way I thought. No don’t get me wrong, it wasn’t rape.

Scolforo: Similar how?

Smith: Uh, having a baby out of wedlock.

Scolforo: That’s similar to rape?

Smith: No, no, no, but… put yourself in a father’s situation, yes. It is similar. But, back to the original, I’m pro-life, period.

[Another question on an unrelated topic]

John Micek, Morning Call: Mr. Smith, can I ask you to clarify one more time the question that Mark asked you. Did I just hear you say that having a child out of wedlock is analogous to rape?

Smith: No, I did not say that.

Scolforo: You did say that.

Micek: But you did say it, sir.

(Noise as a Smith campaign aide sought to answer, but Scolforo insisted Smith answer).

Scolforo: But you did say that.

Smith: I said I went through a situation.

Scolforo: With your daughter, with a daughter.

Smith: Yes.

Scolforo: OK.

Smith: And it’s very, very difficult. But do I condone rape? Absolutely not. Do I propose life? Yes I do. I’m pro-life, period.

Scolforo: So what’s the similarity between those two, in other words? Just that there’s a decision involved?

Smith: (Pause.) A life is a life, and it needs protected. Who’s going to protect it? We have to. I mean that’s, I believe life begins at conception. I’m not going to argue about the method of conception. It’s a life, and I’m pro-life. It’s that simple.

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RE: PA GOP candidate pre marital sex is equal to rape. - 8/28/2012 1:37:32 PM   
kalikshama


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Status: offline 		Republicans, Save Yourselves. Stop Talking Rape.

Seems like politicians need a new survival guide for dealing with reporters who ask questions about rape that are designed to see exactly how medieval your attitudes toward women really are. So, a public service: 1) Ask yourself, "Am I a male Republican?" 2) If yes, flee the scene without answering. That may seem a little harsh and could make you look like a coward, but it's likely better than whatever you might let slip to the reporter.

I'm sorry that I didn't have this guide prepared in time for you, Tom Smith, Republican challenger to Pennsylvania Sen. Bob Casey. Had I been more on top of things, we may all have avoided this exchange with reporters yesterday:

[see above post for transcript]

While most reports on Smith's "gaffe" are focused on the strange "father's situation" comment, I want to give a shout-out to the fact that Smith actually showed some self-control, starting to say that if his daughter hadn't made the choice he wanted, he would have had to ... do something, but then wisely pulling back from describing the coercive uterine control measures practiced by the Smith family. Sucking that up appears to have confused him and next thing he knew, out pops this nonsense that sounds like he's equating rape and unwed motherhood. From the father's perspective. Just so you're clear that it's not the same from, say, a jury's perspective.

My theory is that Smith was trying very hard not to say something like "legitimate rape," and this garbled nonsense is the result. Trying to parse his meaning was a fun way to pass the time for some journalists on Twitter yesterday, as we all wondered which father Smith was referring to in these situations. Did he mean that men who impregnate women they aren't married to through consensual sex don't distinguish themselves from rapists? Or did he mean that if you're the father of the pregnant woman, it makes no difference to you whether or not she was raped or chose to have unmarried sex? Either way, his suggestion is that the main problem with rape is, as Irin Carmon pointed out, "that it’s non-sanctioned sexual activity, as opposed to a crime against a woman’s person."

It was just so much simpler in the days when the legality of intercourse was determined by a marriage certificate, instead of this confusing new system where it's determined on a case-by-case basis involving complex questions like, "Is she consenting?" "Is she of legal age?" and "Is she awake?" No wonder Smith's party longs for simpler days steeped in tradition instead of these confusing new times.

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RE: PA GOP candidate pre marital sex is equal to rape. - 8/28/2012 1:45:27 PM   
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Breitbart speaking at what must be the republican national convention.

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RE: PA GOP candidate pre marital sex is equal to rape. - 8/28/2012 5:08:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		The guy is right about one thing. His views are simplistic.

To be fair, I don't think he really equated rape with out of wedlock sex. The only similarity he drew was by saying that in either case, if a pregnancy results, (he thinks) the baby's life should be protected.

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RE: PA GOP candidate pre marital sex is equal to rape. - 8/28/2012 6:28:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kalikshama
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One of the famous man-hating "Womens' Rights" leaders made the claim that ALL hetero-sexual sex was rape for a woman so, this guy sounds like he's halfway to conversion.

Who? Wasn't Dworkin or MacKinnon, although this statement has been attributed to both of them by their opponents: http://www.snopes.com/quotes/mackinnon.asp


Indeed, just who was this famous man-hating "Womens' Rights" leader? Inquiring minds want to laugh.

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