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Jaquin -> RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? (8/29/2012 12:21:45 PM)

To me zero tolerance is an excuse made to say "Just do as I say and shut up" but in a politically correct way. But worse yet - in a school enforced way. Not an impartial third party. Thus we have double standards as evidenced by needles and Michael; where some students can get away with whatever they want but others get smacked down for a toe out of line.

I never liked the way schools worked, in it or out of them.



Aswad -> RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? (8/29/2012 5:21:23 PM)

I fail to see how that differs from what you'd normally associate with other forms of fundamentalism. [:D]

IWYW,
— Aswad.



stellauk -> RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? (8/29/2012 5:47:43 PM)

Nothing is absolute in this world, therefore zero tolerance to me is in itself an illusion.



nephandi -> RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? (8/30/2012 8:03:45 AM)

Greetings

How do that resemble a weapon, that must be the least threatening gesture I have seen since my pet hamster last yawned. This is also so unfair, what if someone have a spoken name that can be a weapon or which speak of violence should they not be allowed to have their name. I mean my great grandmother's name was Alvhilde which means translated elven battle ground, if I ever had a daughter she would be named Runa Alvhilde would that mean she should change her name because there is "violence" in it?

This story reminds me of something that happened on a Norwegian airport, a mother was there with her one and a half year old son, the child like many boys his age where very fascinated by the planes so he sat saying what wounded like boom, boom when he saw planes take off or land. Now the boy meant to say vroom vroom but like many toddlers he had a problem with pronouncing R, anyway the little boy and his mother was denied to travel on the plane they had tickets to for the airport personnel felt that the one and a half year old saying boom boom where making threats to the plane so he was to dangerous to have on board! WTF, how scared should we really be of toddlers?

I wish you well



nephandi -> RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? (8/30/2012 10:59:08 AM)

Greetings

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In an English-speaking school, if a child's name was pronounced "shit", then yes, he should be called something else in school.

If Mary goes to a Polish-speaking school, then yes, I would expect them to find something else to call her other than the Polish word for "fuck".


I could not disagree more. A name is a rather personal thing, and if a kid comes from a place where Shit is a accepted name then they should actually be allowed to keep their name in school, the kids will not explode if they hear a other language name that is an "inappropriate" word in English, that is just wrong.

What about English words, there is allot of American boys named Dick, should they not be allowed to use their name in school, what about those with the last name Johanson? And how far do you want to take it, this is not an obscene gesture this kid is doing he is making an L with his thumb and crossed forefingers and middle fingers and wave that up and down which someone then saw as a gesture similar to a gun, if you are going to ban that, do you think that a Christian school should be able to demand a kid named for example Athena or Calypso change their name for school? What if a kid is named after a political figure that school do not like? Sorry Clinton you name is wrong you will be named Peter at school instead? Thee have to be bounds of reason.

Now if a kid feel their name is a problem and want to use a nickname that is fine, but to ban someone's name that is just wrong and being on the forum that we are I can not help but say that is actually a form of humiliation play many engage in, the Dom taking away the subs name and replacing it with one of his choosing, part of this is because it was common in places and times where slavery was legal, if a new slave's name sounded to alien, if it was not beautiful in the ears of the owners or just to make it very clear to the slave that they owned nothing now, not even their names then a slave would often be renamed. Why would a common thing to do to put slaves in their place be okey to do to a child because their names are not appropriate in the language the school they go to are speaking?

I wish you well



nephandi -> RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? (8/30/2012 11:04:29 AM)

Greetings

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When I first saw the headline on Yahell, I was sure I was going to click on the link and find that the child or his parents were of Norwegian descent and his name was "Gunnar" which is (I believe) an actual Norwegian (or one of the Nordik country) name.


Actually the female form of Gunnar is just Gunn which is a common Norwegian girl's name and in pronounced exactly like Americans say gun. There was a play on this in a Norwegian sit com that I watched as a teenager when nothing else was on named Bot og Bedring, it was about the office life of some meter maids, and boys and their tyrannical boss Gunn who was just called Top Gun by her employers. I guess a girl named Gunn would make the teachers of that school in the article above just implode wit fear.

I wish you well



nephandi -> RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? (8/30/2012 11:12:47 AM)

Greetings

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I don't understand what you mean. His given name is Hunter. The sign he uses does not mean "hunter", it is a made-up sign that is used to refer to him.


What we have displayed here ladies and gentlemen is a typical example of what I call the but I live in Florida so I do not get why they need coats in Sweden, I am not cold syndrome. What is a name? A conventional name is a sound, is is a mixture of sounds that generally sound pleasing in some way. Now for someone who is deaf they can not hear the sounds, sure the boy's name is Hunter on paper, and one day soon he will learn to read and write that name but he have never heard it, his name is that gesture, that is how his parents call attention to him, that is all of a name he know and then who gives a fuck what name is written on his birth certificate, the name the kid identifies with is that sign, because he have never heard that sound that the name Hunter is becouse he CAN NOT HEAR!

I wish you well



nephandi -> RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? (8/30/2012 11:22:15 AM)

Greetings

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Ya know, the world is becoming an increasingly bizarre and unrecognizable place to me.

Zero tolerance... what a crock of shit. Zero tolerance is moral cowardice. It absolves a person from having to make the tough decisions... and in some cases, as this situation has demonstrated, the blatantly, obviously, easy ones as well.

This kind of shit, this early in the morning, is putting me into my cynical punk mode.

Hey Grand Island, Nebraska School District... this is for you.


I heard of a school in USA with a zero tolerance policy for bodily contact with other students, this was to avoid fights and sex at school, then two kids get suspended, their crime? They shook one another hands when meeting for the first time. Zero tolerance policies are dumb, they make sure administrators do not need to think, I mean teenagers having hankey plaky on the loo, yes stop that if they want to have sex do it at home (Yes these where High Schoolers), kids fighting stop that, kids shaking hands, seriously that is just polite behavior.

Another case I heard about a kid with epilepsy got suspended for having a seizure in class for the school had a zero tolerance policy on disturbances during class. You can not just make a rule and then think it is a catch all that covers every situation for then things will just get ridiculous.

I wish you well



nephandi -> RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? (8/30/2012 11:25:39 AM)

Greetings my love

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One of the people on Stargate- the actor, I mean- was named Rainbow Sun Franks, and Ars' mother used to work with a couple whose names meant "Mr. and Mrs. Cunt" up here. I fail to see a problem with that, although it could certainly be useful to give a kid a nickname to use alongside his/her regular name, if the regular name causes a problem. Banning names seems to be a pretty fucked up thing to do, in my opinion, which is why I've been opposed to that up here (you can't use the traditional name Varg, for instance).


Actually this is not correct, some parts of the government wanted to ban animal names for kids but the law never passed, you can call your kid Varg, or Bjørn or any traditional name which is also the name for an animal. A certain know it all roleplayer that we know and his wife is naming their son which is due to be born in a month or so Ulv.

I wish you well



Marc2b -> RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? (8/31/2012 11:27:00 AM)

SIDEBAR:




While I know that CMers would never stoop so low as to send nasty and uncivil emails to anyone, just in case you know someone who is so inclined... please make sure that they understand that this is Grand Island in Nebraska, not the Grand Island in New York.

Ya know, I didn't know they had any islands in Nebraska, much less a grand one. I doubt it is anywhere near as grand as ours... I live right near it and I gotta tell ya, it's a pretty grand island.



GreedyTop -> RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? (8/31/2012 11:29:41 AM)

I actually got (literally) stuck in Grand Island, NE back when I was driving trucks. The lake there has a HUGE sandy shore which is NOT friendly towards semi-tractors.

Just sayin.

ETA: oops.. maybe that was NOrth Platte. It's been over 20 yrs, not sure, now.



subspaceseven -> RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? (8/31/2012 2:34:16 PM)

And the schools uses the old tired line,,, we are working to resolve this for the best interest of the child....what a bunch of BS,



DaddySatyr -> RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? (8/31/2012 2:46:53 PM)

Funny. I remember when it was a parent's job to decide what was in the best interests of their children.



LookieNoNookie -> RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? (8/31/2012 4:25:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

Seriously????


This just pisses me off...



http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/school-asks-deaf-preschooler-change-sign-language-name-191629255.html


I think the kid should change his name to "fuck you, and the horse you rode in on".



blacksword404 -> RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? (8/31/2012 8:06:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subspaceseven

And the schools uses the old tired line,,, we are working to resolve this for the best interest of the child....what a bunch of BS,


You have to know how to translate.

"We have made up our minds about this and we don't give a fuck what you think. So drop it and go away.



FrostedFlake -> RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? (9/1/2012 10:31:51 PM)

If you are going to change it to please Pete, you have to change it to please Paul. It doesn't take too many go arounds before you don't know what your fucking name is. In the end, people will be introducing themselves by deciding what each wants to call the other.

More seriously (I was serious, just not this serious) everyone has the right to use his own Goddamned name. There is no need to ask permission from anyone. there is no need to accept a refusal from anyone.



nephandi -> RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? (9/2/2012 6:33:12 AM)

Greetings

The problem is that everyone is so hysterical that someone might get offended that they forget that no matter what you do there is someone that will be able to read an insult of it, the only way to be sure not to offend anyone is to lock yourself in your house and never leave, though that will probably rub some folks the wrong way as well.

I wish you well



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