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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/9/2013 1:09:08 AM   
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She's not hiding me because she's uninterested. She's hiding me because she knows full well that I'm stronger than she is. Plain old-fashioned fear.


Oh, okay. I didn't realize this was a dominance competition. Next time I'll wear more sensible shoes. ;)

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/9/2013 1:09:39 AM   
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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/9/2013 1:14:01 AM   
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Geez, I thought that this thread might actually contain info about financial dommes and how they do what they do...a mystery to me..and all it is , is a bunch of people having an argument over whose dick is longer and balls are bigger...

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/9/2013 1:25:39 AM   
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Geez, I thought that this thread might actually contain info about financial dommes and how they do what they do...a mystery to me..and all it is , is a bunch of people having an argument over whose dick is longer and balls are bigger...


They exploit feeble men and act offended when someone has the testicular fortitude to make a scalding remark about it.

There, the mystery is solved. Go back in the van.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/9/2013 1:26:33 AM   
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She's not hiding me because she's uninterested. She's hiding me because she knows full well that I'm stronger than she is. Plain old-fashioned fear.


Oh, okay. I didn't realize this was a dominance competition. Next time I'll wear more sensible shoes. ;)
Awwww Petal, you're so sweetly naive. Try and follow the discussion a little more closely next time. If you pay attention, you'll see Dommes playing the "I am Domme, hear me roar" game a couple of dozen times a day.

Bless.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/9/2013 1:28:40 AM   
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Anyway, now she's self-selected out of the conversation, I'll answer your question RochSub, although I doubt you'll listen.

The question you're really asking is this: "Is financial domination a form of kink."

The answer is no. Financial domination is a business model. Dommes who engage in this practice are not finding fulfillment in the exercise of their kinky predilections, they're simply driven by money. Consequently, attempting to define it as their kink is a dishonest attempt to shelter under the umbrella of kink tolerance - shelter to which they're in no way entitled.

The domme is simply exploiting the weakness of certain men in the same way a Dom might exploit a sub with low self-esteem and pimp her out for money. I personally can spot a low self-esteem sub a mile away and I'm simply not interested. Whereas the financial domme sees such people as suckers to be exploited.

You could argue that subs see financial domination as a form of service. That's a valid view, however the desperation of the male sub sees both a lack of discrimination and the corresponding acceptance of nothing in return beyond the satisfaction of a sexually-driven fetish. Consequently subs who subscribe to this transactional interaction are the male equivalent of a female sub who'll suck just anyone's cock.

If you're a male sub who seeks to serve a woman who deserves it, then for fuck's sake develop some standards and some discrimination. A sub who accepts the crumbs of pseudo-affection (or simple humiliation) from a financial domme is simply settling for a transitory transactional experience which does nothing more than inhibit his own ability to go out and find true fulfillment with a woman who's not driven by filthy lucre.

In other words, male subs settle for financial dommes because they lack the belief they can do better and by continually indulging that fetish, they actually retard their ability to - one day - actually DO better.

Kink is more than simple fetishism. One universal constant amongst male subs seems to be their consistent desire to serve their cock. You all do it - I've seen both you and Peon do it, despite the plaudits you both receive on these boards as being superior examples of what a male sub should be.

Ask yourself this: If it was possible to get what you desire without turning it into a transaction then why *should* you settle for a lesser experience from a woman who cares naught for you except as an ongoing contributor to her lifestyle?

Regardless, even if we completely accept the idea that male subs engaging findommes is an entirely valid outlet for their fetish, this doesn't change the fact that FinDommes are simply engaging in a transactional interaction. They have no stake in this beyond the transaction. They're being compensated for their time which means they're being bought and paid for. And them attempting to dress it up by claiming they build deep interactions with clients is just window-dressing on an ugly truth. If the money stops, the interaction stops. Period.

It might be kink - if foolish kink - for the subs. It's nothing more than a business to the findommes and pretending otherwise is monumentally dishonest. That's worthy of condemnation because - as some of you may have noticed - I have this thing about integrity. The kink world is a whirlwind of dysfunction and abuse and to me, shit like this is just another aspect of that.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/9/2013 1:32:17 AM   
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She's not hiding me because she's uninterested. She's hiding me because she knows full well that I'm stronger than she is. Plain old-fashioned fear.


Oh, okay. I didn't realize this was a dominance competition. Next time I'll wear more sensible shoes. ;)
Awwww Petal, you're so sweetly naive. Try and follow the discussion a little more closely next time. If you pay attention, you'll see Dommes playing the "I am Domme, hear me roar" game a couple of dozen times a day.

Bless.


Condescending much?

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/9/2013 1:33:12 AM   
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As ye sow, so shall ye reap.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/9/2013 1:34:59 AM   
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As ye sow, so shall ye reap.


I made a joke. You made a condescending remark. It's hardly 'reaping what you sow'.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/9/2013 1:38:36 AM   
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Oh, it's exactly that and you know it. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/9/2013 2:00:06 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TAFKAA

Anyway, now she's self-selected out of the conversation, I'll answer your question RochSub, although I doubt you'll listen.

The question you're really asking is this: "Is financial domination a form of kink."

The answer is no. Financial domination is a business model. Dommes who engage in this practice are not finding fulfillment in the exercise of their kinky predilections, they're simply driven by money. Consequently, attempting to define it as their kink is a dishonest attempt to shelter under the umbrella of kink tolerance - shelter to which they're in no way entitled.

The domme is simply exploiting the weakness of certain men in the same way a Dom might exploit a sub with low self-esteem and pimp her out for money. I personally can spot a low self-esteem sub a mile away and I'm simply not interested. Whereas the financial domme sees such people as suckers to be exploited.

You could argue that subs see financial domination as a form of service. That's a valid view, however the desperation of the male sub sees both a lack of discrimination and the corresponding acceptance of nothing in return beyond the satisfaction of a sexually-driven fetish. Consequently subs who subscribe to this transactional interaction are the male equivalent of a female sub who'll suck just anyone's cock.

If you're a male sub who seeks to serve a woman who deserves it, then for fuck's sake develop some standards and some discrimination. A sub who accepts the crumbs of pseudo-affection (or simple humiliation) from a financial domme is simply settling for a transitory transactional experience which does nothing more than inhibit his own ability to go out and find true fulfillment with a woman who's not driven by filthy lucre.

In other words, male subs settle for financial dommes because they lack the belief they can do better and by continually indulging that fetish, they actually retard their ability to - one day - actually DO better.

Kink is more than simple fetishism. One universal constant amongst male subs seems to be their consistent desire to serve their cock. You all do it - I've seen both you and Peon do it, despite the plaudits you both receive on these boards as being superior examples of what a male sub should be.

Ask yourself this: If it was possible to get what you desire without turning it into a transaction then why *should* you settle for a lesser experience from a woman who cares naught for you except as an ongoing contributor to her lifestyle?

Regardless, even if we completely accept the idea that male subs engaging findommes is an entirely valid outlet for their fetish, this doesn't change the fact that FinDommes are simply engaging in a transactional interaction. They have no stake in this beyond the transaction. They're being compensated for their time which means they're being bought and paid for. And them attempting to dress it up by claiming they build deep interactions with clients is just window-dressing on an ugly truth. If the money stops, the interaction stops. Period.

It might be kink - if foolish kink - for the subs. It's nothing more than a business to the findommes and pretending otherwise is monumentally dishonest. That's worthy of condemnation because - as some of you may have noticed - I have this thing about integrity. The kink world is a whirlwind of dysfunction and abuse and to me, shit like this is just another aspect of that.


Now that he has actually put himself back in this convo and answered the question intelligently, I can remark.
You say "once the money stops, the interaction stops" this is true, but do you feel there was no D/s interaction at all? I don't see anything as dishonest because as for Me, I am upfront about everything. Just ask My slaves. They are explained everything in detail. No misleading claims or otherwise. So aside from the fact that you stated earlier that woman cannot be dominant, do you feel the ONLY interaction with fin dommes is the transaction part? You do not feel there are those of us that ARE into ALL the aspects of our slaves lives even though that has been explained?

Also I'd like to know how you figure that fin dommes aren't being fulfilled.


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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/9/2013 2:27:45 AM   
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Now that he has actually put himself back in this convo and answered the question intelligently, I can remark.
Oh bollocks, you never had me on hide and you couldn't resist commenting. Nice try though.

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You say "once the money stops, the interaction stops" this is true, but do you feel there was no D/s interaction at all?
In cases like these, no. At best the male sub satisfies a cock-driven fetish. Thing is - and this is the key - when all you have to do to "dominate" is show up, you're not actually dominating anyone. You're simply playing the role they're asking for and their 'submission' is a foregone conclusion. At best, that's a facsimile of D/s.

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I don't see anything as dishonest because as for Me, I am upfront about everything. Just ask My slaves.
Slaves? Taking someone's money isn't a TPE situation.

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They are explained everything in detail. No misleading claims or otherwise. So aside from the fact that you stated earlier that woman cannot be dominant, do you feel the ONLY interaction with fin dommes is the transaction part? You do not feel there are those of us that ARE into ALL the aspects of our slaves lives even though that has been explained?
As I've pointed out, this is simple window dressing. At best all you're doing is making a "quality of service" claim, but this doesn't address the fundamentals of your exploitation of the weak and/or unhealthy.

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Also I'd like to know how you figure that fin dommes aren't being fulfilled.

They're not doing it to be fulfilled, they're doing it for the cash. Accordingly, it's a business, not a kink. If they get enjoyment out of it, that's a bonus, but they're running a business, not engaging in a personal quest for fulfillment. Respecting someone's kink is one thing - giving protection to people who exploit people's kink is so fundamentally unethical it's not funny.

Because, let's face it, that's exactly what you do. Exploit the kink of others for financial gain.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/9/2013 2:35:32 AM   
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I love this Thread. I get so many negative comments on my lifestyle. I Believe that I and my subs need each other... Thank you TN And Roch... Will make looking for subs a lot easier as a financial Dominatrix with threads like these... mwah!

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/9/2013 2:47:30 AM   
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Financial Doms and slaves
I think it expresses our love for our slaves in a wierd way
... listen to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbLg6-MvOFo
"A Thousand Years"
(from "The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn - Part 1" soundtrack)

Heart beats fast
Colors and promises
How to be brave?
How can I love when I'm afraid to fall
But watching you stand alone?
All of my doubt suddenly goes away somehow

One step closer

[Chorus:]
I have died everyday waiting for you
Darling don't be afraid I have loved you
For a thousand years
I'll love you for a thousand more

Time stands still
Beauty in all she is
I will be brave
I will not let anything take away
What's standing in front of me
Every breath
Every hour has come to this

One step closer

[Chorus:]
I have died everyday waiting for you
Darling don't be afraid I have loved you
For a thousand years
I'll love you for a thousand more

And all along I believed I would find you
Time has brought your heart to me
I have loved you for a thousand years
I'll love you for a thousand more

One step closer
One step closer

[Chorus:]
I have died everyday waiting for you
Darling don't be afraid I have loved you
For a thousand years
I'll love you for a thousand more

And all along I believed I would find you
Time has brought your heart to me
I have loved you for a thousand years
I'll love you for a thousand more

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/9/2013 2:55:25 AM   
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Anyway, now she's self-selected out of the conversation, I'll answer your question RochSub, although I doubt you'll listen.

The question you're really asking is this: "Is financial domination a form of kink."

The answer is no.



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Because, let's face it, that's exactly what you do. Exploit the kink of others for financial gain.


It looks like you may have contradicted yourself here.

How can findommes be exploiting a kink if, in your opinion, there is no kink?

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/9/2013 3:11:52 AM   
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If you'd actually read and comprehended what I wrote - instead of cherry-picking sentences out of context - you wouldn't ask that question.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/9/2013 3:18:53 AM   
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I think that you're very wrong to generalise in this way.

I get the impression that you have so little time for the subs that enjoy being financially dominated, that you're rushing to judgement generally. There's also a slight inference that might be drawn that you object in some way to the very idea of women being in a controlling position.

Yes, you're absolutely right that there are many instances where fin-dommes are solely in it for the money. But I'm certain that there are quite a few for whom it is a major kink. So a simple blanket "they're all in it for the money" is plain silly.







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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/9/2013 3:35:43 AM   
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All this debate... sigh... We all need each other to PUT THE bdsm LIFESTYLE on the make, can't we all just get along?
'I am not like other Dommes when it comes to Financial Slavery. Some just want the money and the gifts and to hell with the slave that provides. Well, I am not like that! I am a breath of fresh air! I do have a genuine fetish for this specialized form of Domination.
I also respect the slave that is providing.
Hey, that doesn't mean you own Me, no fucking way, I own your ass you dog.Secondly, I will not beg, you do that. you must want to give. it must give you absolute pleasure to give. It must be your fetish to provide for a Dominant Lady.
I do enjoy spending your money though and the very thought of you busting your guts at work.
At the office, on that building site or in that shop is very appealing to Me.I imagine you rushing your lunch in order to return to work for more money all in the name of your Lady. That makes Me very wet and happy indeed.'
Its a kink.... and personally I feel better off as a Sadist humiliating my slaves than Hurting them physically cause as A sadist, I don't know how to stop the punishment. It is a far safer form of kink for me.

Lets stop judging and live in harmony and listen to IMAGINE by John Lennon

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/9/2013 3:53:41 AM   
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of course having your cock sucked five times a day by a "compliant" female is the kinkiest thing on the planet...
No diss to women who suck cocks anywhere, just the number of men who think its what makes them a dom. And they outnumber "male subs" by an order of 10 at least.


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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/9/2013 4:40:42 AM   
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"I am not like other Dommes when it comes to Financial Slavery."

Oh God. You ALL fucking say that. It's like a broken record. "All those other FinDommes are just mercenaries, but *I* really care! Honest!"

"I do enjoy spending your money though and the very thought of you busting your guts at work.
At the office, on that building site or in that shop is very appealing to Me.I imagine you rushing your lunch in order to return to work for more money all in the name of your Lady. "

This attitude is repulsive. There's no power exchange in this, it's all "Me, me, me!" - power exchange sees the sub exchange control for responsibility. There's none of that here, mere self-indulgent self-gratification.

I'm not rushing to judgment crazyml, I'm just going over the bleeding obvious. I refuse to believe that so many are oblivious to what is so blatantly apparent.

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