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LookieNoNookie -> Any computer nerds here? (8/30/2012 5:46:16 PM)

I want to build a massive, killer, fucking awesome computer for my home. 29 jigabytes of everything if that's possible.

I know that more RAM is good....more HD is good....bigger better....

I actually don't want to do the new Win8 but I DO want to build, assuming Win8 is the next big wizbang....with touch screen, etc.

(Do they have that yet?).

I'd like the biggest baddest son of a bitch computer that ever was....but I haven't a clue how to spec it. Don't want water cooled...just a killer machine for my home.

(I can afford whatever is the coolest biggest baddest thing...unless of course it's like something that the CIA would order so.....can you help me?).

I'd like to order it in the next 30 days (or after Win8 comes out if that's what's required).

Can you help me spec it out?

JJ




Lucifyre -> RE: Any computer nerds here? (8/30/2012 5:58:41 PM)

Whats your target spending limit?
I can have my hubby work something uo with links on where to order etc if you like.
He is a geek like that

Lucifyre




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Any computer nerds here? (8/30/2012 6:25:35 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucifyre

Whats your target spending limit?
I can have my hubby work something uo with links on where to order etc if you like.
He is a geek like that

Lucifyre


I don't have one.

More than $1,000.00....less than 9 katrillion.

I just want a really great home computer that's going to last me 4 - 7 years.

I really don't have a limit.

(But....I don't want it to be so complicated of a device that someone has to run it for me).




outlier -> RE: Any computer nerds here? (8/30/2012 11:13:24 PM)

Missokyst  is the one you want to contact.

I have consistently read excellent computer advice from her,
both in the forums and in Cmail.  She is a working computer
professional who delights in solving tough computer problems.

If I was going to ask for computer advice from anyone on these
forums her name would be at the top of the list.  If you choose
to have it built I would still contact her about doing it. 




CRYPTICLXVI -> RE: Any computer nerds here? (8/30/2012 11:16:57 PM)

Just got one of these a couple of weeks ago, not quite as powerful as I wanted but damned close.




Tumblweed -> RE: Any computer nerds here? (8/30/2012 11:22:35 PM)

Seven grand will make you less unhappy. Game ?

Weed




tj444 -> RE: Any computer nerds here? (8/30/2012 11:41:14 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: CRYPTICLXVI

Just got one of these a couple of weeks ago, not quite as powerful as I wanted but damned close.

it looks purdy.. but I would need a hard drive much bigger than just 1T..




Tumblweed -> RE: Any computer nerds here? (8/30/2012 11:49:15 PM)

Four drives in a stiped/split array. One T apiece and the four of them give you two terebytes that is TWICE AS FAST as a single drive. It takes four drives but they are getting cheaper every day.

RAM ? You can't have too much RAM with W7, which I will never use. With XP 4 gig is the max, but you can have a hundred gig if you want for all I care.

Then go spend a grand or two on software.

Go right ahead.

Weed




Endivius -> RE: Any computer nerds here? (8/30/2012 11:55:14 PM)

Honestly, that's just silly. The way technology changes, especially the way processor power doubles every two years, you would be spending a lot of money for something that will be average in only 3 years. It would be better to build something you are comfortable replacing every 3-5 years without breaking the bank.

Here's an example, currently SSD hard drives are extremely expensive, but in two years they will be dramatically cheaper, with faster data rates and larger storage compacities. So why spend 800 on something that will be substandard in two or three years. Another example would be processors. There are a lot of things that that affect the speed of a processor and it's overal load capacity. Every two or three years these speeds tend to double.

That being said, if you still want to throw down 5-7k on a pc and don't care, have at it.




CRYPTICLXVI -> RE: Any computer nerds here? (8/30/2012 11:58:00 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444


quote:

ORIGINAL: CRYPTICLXVI

Just got one of these a couple of weeks ago, not quite as powerful as I wanted but damned close.

it looks purdy.. but I would need a hard drive much bigger than just 1T..

I have 2 external hard drives... one is 1 tb and the other is 3 tb.




tj444 -> RE: Any computer nerds here? (8/31/2012 12:17:20 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: CRYPTICLXVI


quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444


quote:

ORIGINAL: CRYPTICLXVI

Just got one of these a couple of weeks ago, not quite as powerful as I wanted but damned close.

it looks purdy.. but I would need a hard drive much bigger than just 1T..

I have 2 external hard drives... one is 1 tb and the other is 3 tb.


I have an external back-up drive that is 2T but since i use a laptop right now, it only has 450GB.. [:(] ..I wouldnt mind a desktop again as i could have a much bigger drive or as Weed said, a bunch of them (once i figure out how to set that up).. I have to put stuff on dvd (backed up on my external also) and delete to make space on my laptop which ticks me off..




SpaceSpank -> RE: Any computer nerds here? (8/31/2012 5:40:52 AM)

You need to be careful with this. Some consumer drives actually get REALLY flaky in RAID arrays. Some are so bad that the drives will literally kill themselves within a few months or less of use.
The vast majority of people are better off getting 1 good SSD (solid state) hard drive for the OS and main applications. You can then get a cheap but huge normal platter drive to toss whatever else onto. Can be internal or external or both.

For a more general sense. Any halfway decent computer with quality parts will last a decade easy in terms of just running. No computer will ever last more than a couple years and still be able to benchmark (performance) as good as a then current computer. Video cards and CPU's advance at least once a year with a major upgrade, sometimes even more than once.

So my checklist for a good pc:
1) Find a good case with enough room to work in. Make sure it has a drop down or removable motherboard tray. You will thank yourself later for this.

2) Motherboard. Decide if you want an AMD or Intel CPU. The intels will perform better but cost more. Once you look at those you can then look at other features. I find the gigabyte, asus, and intel boards to all be pretty solid performers. Many come with a build in soundcard that is good, as well as built in ethernet (network card). These both tend to be fine. If they do not have one/both of these realize you will need to get them separately. Some have a built in video card as well, but it's junk compared to a full featured card.

3) CPU. Regardless of if you went Intel or AMD there's some common things here. Within the Same CPU family there tend to be 3 factors that will impact performance the most. Clock Speed (like 2.4Ghz). Cache size (such as 4Mb cache), and number of cores and threads (such as 4 core hyper or multi threading). The higher/more of each of those the better the CPU generally is in relation to its peers. Depending just what you are looking to do, some of these will matter more than others. Many just look at the clock speed, but that is much less important than the other factors for a number of applications.

4) RAM. The motherboard you get will determine the type and form factor of the RAM. If you look at the motherboard specifications in detail they will generally list the speeds and timings it supports as well as their "validated" brands. This means they test with these brands so it's usually a safe bet to go with them. Micron, crucial, OCZ are all good brands, but there are others. You will want a minimum of 8GB of ram, but I'd go for ~16GB. Get the one with the fastest speeds your motherboard supports as well as the lowest timings (will usually be listed with numbers like 2-2-2 or 2-2-2-2 they often leave the last number off however).

5) Video card. ATI or Geforce, both are good, but I've had better luck with the Geforce cards the last couple of years. If you're not playing the latest and greatest games either will do fine. If you're doing some serious gaming you will probably want a multi Video card setup. You will then need to check which your motherboard supports (ATI crossfire, geforce SLI, or both). The "best" videocards and models at any given time changes a lot, and is honestly its own topic.

6) Power supply. Often overlooked greatly. Make sure it's a good powersupply. The wattage is important, but that's not the only factor to look at. There's plenty of really cheap high wattage PSU's out there that are garbage and prone to failure. There are reviews of current PSU's just like any other component out there. I would also look into one that is a modular PSU. All that means is that all the connectors are detachable, and it makes it far less cluttered since you only hook up what you need.

7)Cooling. If your CPU doesn't come with a cooling fan, or it sucks. Then you need one. There are some that are "clip on" that fit, but can be a royal pain in the ass to get on right. I've found the bracket types to work better. You just need to install them at the same time you are putting in the motherboard. But aside from that, they are much easier to install and replace (so long as the same bracket is reusable).

8) Hard drives. As mentioned. I'd go for 1 SSD drive, and one standard platter drive for data. Brands, pricing, and capacities all change frequently. Like video cards you basically need to look at reviews right as you're looking to buy to see which ones are the best. This isn't "as" true with the standard platter drives, but with SSD's they are relatively new and changing frequently.

9) Monitor. Wanting a touch screen monitor will narrow your choices greatly. Just look for one of the ones available when looking and then see which of them has the best reviews as well as the sizes you want. If you opt to not go the touchscreen route, there's a bunch of choices out there, and you would need to narrow down what you're looking for in a display.

10) Everything else. Mouse, keyboard, Optical drives, and other such items all fit in here. These don't matter as much as they are pretty easy to replace, and generally cheap. These will all fit into whatever needs you have. Wireless desktop, ergonomic keyboard, blu ray, or if DVD is fine, etc.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Tumblweed

Four drives in a stiped/split array. One T apiece and the four of them give you two terebytes that is TWICE AS FAST as a single drive. It takes four drives but they are getting cheaper every day.

RAM ? You can't have too much RAM with W7, which I will never use. With XP 4 gig is the max, but you can have a hundred gig if you want for all I care.

Then go spend a grand or two on software.

Go right ahead.

Weed





Hillwilliam -> RE: Any computer nerds here? (8/31/2012 8:37:31 AM)

Does anyone else remember 20 Meg Hard drives and how it was like "Holy FUCK, what are gonna do with all this STORAGE?"




mnottertail -> RE: Any computer nerds here? (8/31/2012 8:43:28 AM)

I remember when 64k expanded to 512k and all the snazzy code shit you could do with that.  And then overlays........................




Musicmystery -> RE: Any computer nerds here? (8/31/2012 8:52:44 AM)

quote:

Honestly, that's just silly. The way technology changes, especially the way processor power doubles every two years, you would be spending a lot of money for something that will be average in only 3 years. It would be better to build something you are comfortable replacing every 3-5 years without breaking the bank.


This is what I was going to say.




MercTech -> RE: Any computer nerds here? (8/31/2012 10:57:13 AM)

Sounds like time to go to Frys with a high limit charge card. The geek boy equivalent of being left naked in Nieman Marcus with a charge card for a clothes horse woman.

Go with a core 7 processor, as fast and as much ram as you can afford and get the premium graphics card.





kalikshama -> RE: Any computer nerds here? (8/31/2012 1:04:51 PM)

quote:

Does anyone else remember 20 Meg Hard drives and how it was like "Holy FUCK, what are gonna do with all this STORAGE?"


Ha! I remember two (big) floppies, no hard drive.




CRYPTICLXVI -> RE: Any computer nerds here? (8/31/2012 1:07:02 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

quote:

Does anyone else remember 20 Meg Hard drives and how it was like "Holy FUCK, what are gonna do with all this STORAGE?"


Ha! I remember two (big) floppies, no hard drive.

TMI...




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Any computer nerds here? (8/31/2012 3:47:05 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Endivius

Honestly, that's just silly. The way technology changes, especially the way processor power doubles every two years, you would be spending a lot of money for something that will be average in only 3 years. It would be better to build something you are comfortable replacing every 3-5 years without breaking the bank.

Here's an example, currently SSD hard drives are extremely expensive, but in two years they will be dramatically cheaper, with faster data rates and larger storage compacities. So why spend 800 on something that will be substandard in two or three years. Another example would be processors. There are a lot of things that that affect the speed of a processor and it's overal load capacity. Every two or three years these speeds tend to double.

That being said, if you still want to throw down 5-7k on a pc and don't care, have at it.


"Banks" not an issue....productivity is.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Any computer nerds here? (8/31/2012 3:48:21 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SpaceSpank

You need to be careful with this. Some consumer drives actually get REALLY flaky in RAID arrays. Some are so bad that the drives will literally kill themselves within a few months or less of use.
The vast majority of people are better off getting 1 good SSD (solid state) hard drive for the OS and main applications. You can then get a cheap but huge normal platter drive to toss whatever else onto. Can be internal or external or both.

For a more general sense. Any halfway decent computer with quality parts will last a decade easy in terms of just running. No computer will ever last more than a couple years and still be able to benchmark (performance) as good as a then current computer. Video cards and CPU's advance at least once a year with a major upgrade, sometimes even more than once.

So my checklist for a good pc:
1) Find a good case with enough room to work in. Make sure it has a drop down or removable motherboard tray. You will thank yourself later for this.

2) Motherboard. Decide if you want an AMD or Intel CPU. The intels will perform better but cost more. Once you look at those you can then look at other features. I find the gigabyte, asus, and intel boards to all be pretty solid performers. Many come with a build in soundcard that is good, as well as built in ethernet (network card). These both tend to be fine. If they do not have one/both of these realize you will need to get them separately. Some have a built in video card as well, but it's junk compared to a full featured card.

3) CPU. Regardless of if you went Intel or AMD there's some common things here. Within the Same CPU family there tend to be 3 factors that will impact performance the most. Clock Speed (like 2.4Ghz). Cache size (such as 4Mb cache), and number of cores and threads (such as 4 core hyper or multi threading). The higher/more of each of those the better the CPU generally is in relation to its peers. Depending just what you are looking to do, some of these will matter more than others. Many just look at the clock speed, but that is much less important than the other factors for a number of applications.

4) RAM. The motherboard you get will determine the type and form factor of the RAM. If you look at the motherboard specifications in detail they will generally list the speeds and timings it supports as well as their "validated" brands. This means they test with these brands so it's usually a safe bet to go with them. Micron, crucial, OCZ are all good brands, but there are others. You will want a minimum of 8GB of ram, but I'd go for ~16GB. Get the one with the fastest speeds your motherboard supports as well as the lowest timings (will usually be listed with numbers like 2-2-2 or 2-2-2-2 they often leave the last number off however).

5) Video card. ATI or Geforce, both are good, but I've had better luck with the Geforce cards the last couple of years. If you're not playing the latest and greatest games either will do fine. If you're doing some serious gaming you will probably want a multi Video card setup. You will then need to check which your motherboard supports (ATI crossfire, geforce SLI, or both). The "best" videocards and models at any given time changes a lot, and is honestly its own topic.

6) Power supply. Often overlooked greatly. Make sure it's a good powersupply. The wattage is important, but that's not the only factor to look at. There's plenty of really cheap high wattage PSU's out there that are garbage and prone to failure. There are reviews of current PSU's just like any other component out there. I would also look into one that is a modular PSU. All that means is that all the connectors are detachable, and it makes it far less cluttered since you only hook up what you need.

7)Cooling. If your CPU doesn't come with a cooling fan, or it sucks. Then you need one. There are some that are "clip on" that fit, but can be a royal pain in the ass to get on right. I've found the bracket types to work better. You just need to install them at the same time you are putting in the motherboard. But aside from that, they are much easier to install and replace (so long as the same bracket is reusable).

8) Hard drives. As mentioned. I'd go for 1 SSD drive, and one standard platter drive for data. Brands, pricing, and capacities all change frequently. Like video cards you basically need to look at reviews right as you're looking to buy to see which ones are the best. This isn't "as" true with the standard platter drives, but with SSD's they are relatively new and changing frequently.

9) Monitor. Wanting a touch screen monitor will narrow your choices greatly. Just look for one of the ones available when looking and then see which of them has the best reviews as well as the sizes you want. If you opt to not go the touchscreen route, there's a bunch of choices out there, and you would need to narrow down what you're looking for in a display.

10) Everything else. Mouse, keyboard, Optical drives, and other such items all fit in here. These don't matter as much as they are pretty easy to replace, and generally cheap. These will all fit into whatever needs you have. Wireless desktop, ergonomic keyboard, blu ray, or if DVD is fine, etc.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Tumblweed

Four drives in a stiped/split array. One T apiece and the four of them give you two terebytes that is TWICE AS FAST as a single drive. It takes four drives but they are getting cheaper every day.

RAM ? You can't have too much RAM with W7, which I will never use. With XP 4 gig is the max, but you can have a hundred gig if you want for all I care.

Then go spend a grand or two on software.

Go right ahead.

Weed




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