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RE: looking for advice from an older mistress/domme - 9/4/2012 1:30:20 PM   
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RE: looking for advice from an older mistress/domme - 9/4/2012 2:56:20 PM   
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I'm with the walk away point of view. For me there isn't enough money in the world to risk severe injury to someone, much less possible jail time.

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RE: looking for advice from an older mistress/domme - 9/4/2012 5:01:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: anythingoes222

Mybe the guy is just insane.



That brings up another good point. Any person with experience in the world of cm.com and similar sites knows that there are many folks out there who are clearly NOT of sound mind. When evaluating a play partner's apparent consent, you are expected to use reasonable judgment to determine if this person is rational.

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RE: looking for advice from an older mistress/domme - 10/8/2012 5:10:08 PM   
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Let's not be hasty here, maybe its a dictator or killer.

Otherwise, NO

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RE: looking for advice from an older mistress/domme - 10/8/2012 8:05:10 PM   
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OP, I snooped around the internet and the price for an hour session w/ a pro is anywhere from $200 to $400. Are you willing to possibly put another human being in the hospital and/or kill him for that price? Are you willing to possibly end up in prison for that price? I don't know about you, but my answer to all those questions would be Hell NOOOOOOOO!!!!! Walk away, he's not worth it. Really he's not. If he's nuts enough to not care about his own well-being, then he's not someone you want to get involved with.

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RE: looking for advice from an older mistress/domme - 10/9/2012 12:48:53 AM   
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Sound advice all around my friend....

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RE: looking for advice from an older mistress/domme - 10/9/2012 4:15:52 PM   
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Danger to self or others. That's all it takes to get committed for 24 hours.. then 30-90 days.

You and your customer could be roomies!!!

Oh, but we have a piece of paper! He SIGNED it!!

That's nice dearie, now take your meds and show me "all gone"!! Good girl.

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RE: looking for advice from an older mistress/domme - 1/6/2013 11:32:17 AM   
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Ooohhhh A submissive with a brain ABOVE is shoulders is so lovely to find!

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ORIGINAL: PerfectSurrender

The other posters here have covered the issue of your liability but I think there's a much more important issue here.

I find it somewhat dismaying that your question primarily concerns waivers. If the kind of physical harm you're contemplating is as severe as you imply then
you have concerns equal to if not greater than your own liability.

Meaning, specifically, the well-being of another human being and whether or not you're dealing with someone that is mentally unstable.
You haven't given specifics but potential hospitalization is extreme and I'm sharing based on that.

Just because you can watch it on the internet or someone says "yes" does not mean it's acceptable. Even if you could get away with it and make a dollar.

Personal problems, from illness to ignorance, make people say "yes" to all sorts of things that individuals should almost never do to other human beings. From pyramid schemes
to destructive cosmetic surgeries. Consent does not imply ethical.


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RE: looking for advice from an older mistress/domme - 1/9/2013 4:33:53 PM   
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If you have any sense, and or compassion about yourself you would not even want to contemplate what this sub is asking of you. I say run from it and never look back. If you even think of doing what this guy wants you could land yourself in prison not to mention your life ruined. So politely tell him that you are no way comfortable doing what he asks of you and move on to someone who is not so drastically unstable as this sub seems to be.

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RE: looking for advice from an older mistress/domme - 1/9/2013 6:32:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: eXferret

Hi, I'm kinda of in a pickle.

I have a sub client asking for a very extreme request.
He could potentially get very very hurt hurt. I have done sessions with excessive force, with out problem, safe words and all that. But this one wants absolute no mercy. Black,Blue,Red. Potentially hospitalized
Very adamant about this.

I wanted to inquire if anyone has a sample agreement/waiver they could possibly show me
or guide me in making one prior to the sessions with my client.


Any and all advice/comments
appreciated


He might be adamant about what he wants, but you are the one that is supposed to be in control of the situation. If you need waivers of liability in order to proceed with a client, you should just say no.



There's no amount of money that would ever make me feel up to putting someone in danger of serious harm and/or hospitalization.

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RE: looking for advice from an older mistress/domme - 1/9/2013 6:54:12 PM   
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Look I have had many sub/slave contact me begging for me to preform some really dangerous stuff, and I am not into it for any financial gain, I use common sense and realize that just because they read something in a story or saw a neat picture does not mean its safe or that the the other person that gave their consent even has an ounce of common since. The money is not worth it, and I would never take on someone like that. Its just not worth it for my peace of mind.

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RE: looking for advice from an older mistress/domme - 1/9/2013 7:10:25 PM   
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OP,



Several months ago. I got an email on CM from a gentleman, a sub who wanted me to literally stomp his face in until I broke his nose and jaw. He sent my required deposit before contacting me, then offered to double my normal tribute to try and convince me to do the session. I returned his deposit and refused the session. When I refused he contacted a young domme I was mentoring and did the same thing. She refused.

I've had a guy beg me to do a sever CBT session where I kicked him in his cock until it bleed. I refused.

I love inflicting pain and or even terror in my sessions.

I have certain lines, I will NEVER cross in a session.
I know those lines clearly.
There is no compromising on those things.
If that means that they look else where, so be it.
I can't control that.
I can only control what happens within MY sessions.

IMO a waiver wont cover you criminally (if it ever came to that).
IMO a waiver wont cover in a civil case if the client gets a case of buyers remorse and there is permanent damage done to him/ her physically.


For ME, the risk isn't worth it.

ETA: I have left subs black and blue. Hell welted. I've even been the submissive in pro sessions where I couldn't sit down for days after because of the caning and paddeling I took. To me that is a far cry from hospitalization. Perhaps there is a compromise to be found that you are both comfortable with.


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RE: looking for advice from an older mistress/domme - 1/22/2013 3:32:55 AM   
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It's not worth it

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RE: looking for advice from an older mistress/domme - 1/22/2013 3:43:06 AM   
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FYI..........this thread is a few months old. I am going to guess the OP (and several thread participants...) have long since flown the coop.

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RE: looking for advice from an older mistress/domme - 2/15/2013 8:29:11 PM   
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Perfect surrender- quit being so goddamn judgmental.

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RE: looking for advice from an older mistress/domme - 2/15/2013 10:56:03 PM   
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My thoughts, exactly!

Thank You for this pointing out ....


THIS IS AN OLD THREAD!!! LOL

No one is paying attention ....

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RE: looking for advice from an older mistress/domme - 2/15/2013 11:54:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar


quote:

ORIGINAL: PerfectSurrender

Consent does not imply ethical.


Bullshit. Unless the client is incapable of giving consent, consent is all that's needed to cover the ethics.

If this is an action that will harm nobody but the client, it's the law that will prohibit her from doing this even WITH informed consent that is unethical in this case.


If that is what you truly believe, then you really don't understand what ethics are. Think of it this way....if someone asked you to amputate their arms, or pull out all of their teeth, they are consenting, but should you do it?

Crap, that's the second time this week I failed to notice that!

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