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New polls - 9/8/2012 10:01:54 AM   
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Updated polls for toss up states.

http://www.examiner.com/article/updated-obama-versus-romney-polls-10-key-battleground-states-8

Any predictions?

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RE: New polls - 9/8/2012 10:08:12 AM   
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Yep its all convention bounce


I see NC going to Romney. Others... not sure ...

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RE: New polls - 9/8/2012 10:31:41 AM   
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quote:

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Any predictions?



Nope.  I wouldn't bet a nickel on how this election is going to come out, yet.

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RE: New polls - 9/8/2012 12:49:43 PM   
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The only poll that counts is the one in November. Im calling it a tossup.

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RE: New polls - 9/8/2012 1:39:37 PM   
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Heretic, Hillwilliam, and I all agree.

Interesting alignment of the planets.

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RE: New polls - 9/8/2012 1:47:31 PM   
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Those aren't new poll results--they're all well within statistical margins of error, and show only that those states are all toss-ups.

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RE: New polls - 9/8/2012 2:06:56 PM   
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quote:

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We're fucked either way.

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RE: New polls - 9/8/2012 2:21:03 PM   
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Heretic, Hillwilliam, and I all agree.

Interesting alignment of the planets.

And I disagree with all three of you.
This whole thing comes down to the battleground states,that's where it will be won....and lost.
According to this data President Obama will take enough of those to get to the 270 he needs.
This site www.270towin.com has Obama with an 84% probability of getting to the magic number...I like those odds.

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RE: New polls - 9/8/2012 2:22:11 PM   
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Any predictions?


WAY too soon!

In 2008, I think the NY Times interactive map was 100% accurate on their Solid red or blue and Leaning red or blue predictions. I made my predictions using Too Close Too Call states only and got all but two states correct. I did this a week out so I could mail it to my father, who is very politically informed but doesn't use email.

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RE: New polls - 9/8/2012 2:24:44 PM   
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I'm having a hard time reading the article, because it simply presents a lot of discordant raw data with no analysis and no attempt to sew the whole thing together. The thing that really hits me hard is Nate Silver's predictions, which basically predict that there's a good chance Romney will take NC but no other swing state.

Florida's huge. If Romney loses it, the election's over. Not only that, but it may make the GOP rethink its Ryan Plan, and make Medicare part of the Social Security third rail, which you DO NOT muck with. It will also make Ryan much harder to promote as a national candidate, because the GOP would be out of its mind to risk Florida.

The bounces are over now, and the real election starts. I give an edge to Obama because his campaign team is much more effective and capable than Romney's, although the economy has two months to either boom and reelect Obama, or tank and kick him out of office.

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RE: New polls - 9/8/2012 2:25:43 PM   
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Obama Would Be Big Favorite With "Fired Up" Base

By NATE SILVER

There’s one advantage that President Obama has that Mitt Romney probably doesn’t. If he can get a good turnout from his base, he’ll be the heavy favorite to win in November — even if Mr. Romney gets a strong turnout as well.

On average over the last five public surveys, 35 percent of registered voters identify themselves as Democrats and 30 percent as Republicans. That advantage is down somewhat for Democrats since 2008, but it is an advantage nevertheless.

In essentially every recent presidential election, however, the Democratic candidate has performed worse among actual Election Day voters than among the broader pool of registered voters. There is no reason to think that this year will be an exception. Recent surveys that compare likely-voter with registered-voter results suggest that there could be a turnout gap of around three percentage points favoring Mr. Romney. That’s larger than the historical average, when it’s been in the range of one or two points.

Our election forecasts build in a likely voter adjustment for this reason. If a pollster publishes both registered-voter and likely-voter results, we use the likely-voter version of their numbers. And if only a registered-voter version is available, we shift the numbers by two or three points toward Mr. Romney in order to make it equivalent to a likely-voter poll.

But what would happen if all those registered voters really did turn out?

I decided to run a version of our “now-cast” — our estimate of what would happen if the election were held today — on a registered-voter rather than likely-voter basis. (The “now-cast” is a little simpler than our Nov. 6 forecast, which also incorporates a convention bounce adjustment and measures of economic performance, and so the now-cast is a little simpler to interpret for purposes of measuring the effects of the likely-voter adjustment.)

This special, registered-voter version of the “now-cast” applies just the opposite of our usual process. If both registered-voter and likely-voter versions of a poll are available, I instruct the model to use the registered-voter numbers. And if there’s only a likely-voter survey, the model shifts the numbers toward Mr. Obama by a couple of points as a proxy for a registered voter poll.

In the regular, likely-voter version of our “now-cast,” Mr. Obama is estimated to have a 68 percent chance of winning the Electoral College in an election held today. But on the basis of registered voters, he would be a 91 percent favorite. Instead of being ahead in the popular vote by a hair over one point, he’d be expected to win by around four. And he’d be projected to win 322 electoral votes, rather than 291.



It’s very unlikely, of course, that Democrats will turn out as high a percentage of their voters as Republicans do. The demographic groups that favor Democrats are just harder to get to the polls.

But if Mr. Obama can narrow Republicans’ advantage in this area — reducing the gap between registered-voter and likely-voter polls to one or two points rather than three, he can get halfway there, and make Mr. Romney’s task much harder.

Read more: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/06/obama-would-be-big-favorite-with-fired-up-base/

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RE: New polls - 9/8/2012 3:44:42 PM   
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Obama being close in polls is good news. I am afraid of "October surprise"; Obama starting war, false flag event or something like this.

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RE: New polls - 9/8/2012 8:14:55 PM   
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Wrap the aluminum foil back around the tube, and those fears will go away.

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