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"communicated to our workforce that the attendance at the Romney event was mandatory, but no one was forced to attend."

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Because the company's mine had to be shut down for "safety and security" reasons during Romney's visit, Moore confirmed workers were not paid that day. He said miners also lose pay when weather or power outages shut down the mine, and noted that federal election law doesn't let companies pay workers to attend political events.

Moore said he didn't see anything negative in attending Romney's campaign appearance with U.S. Sen. Rob Portman and Ohio Treasurer Josh Mandel.

"We are talking about an event that was in the best interest of anyone that's related to the coal industry in this area or the entire country," Moore said in the radio interview.

When contacted about the interview on Monday afternoon, Murray Energy spokesman Gary Broadbent emailed this statement: "Rob Moore made it abundantly clear that no employees were forced to attend the Romney event. All participation was, and always has been, completely voluntary."

Blomquist said that he got multiple emails and phone calls from Murray Energy workers who felt that they were intimidated into attending Romney's appearance. He said employees were told they'd have to forfeit the day's pay unless they could make up their missed hours on overtime or weekends.

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Your source... So we go from forced to attend to "felt intimidated". And they would have lost a day of pay anyway... Nope not seeing anything nefarious, or evil here... It's SOP for VIP visits. Both sides do it.

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"communicated to our workforce that the attendance at the Romney event was mandatory, but no one was forced to attend."

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Because the company's mine had to be shut down for "safety and security" reasons during Romney's visit, Moore confirmed workers were not paid that day. He said miners also lose pay when weather or power outages shut down the mine, and noted that federal election law doesn't let companies pay workers to attend political events.

Moore said he didn't see anything negative in attending Romney's campaign appearance with U.S. Sen. Rob Portman and Ohio Treasurer Josh Mandel.

"We are talking about an event that was in the best interest of anyone that's related to the coal industry in this area or the entire country," Moore said in the radio interview.

When contacted about the interview on Monday afternoon, Murray Energy spokesman Gary Broadbent emailed this statement: "Rob Moore made it abundantly clear that no employees were forced to attend the Romney event. All participation was, and always has been, completely voluntary."

Blomquist said that he got multiple emails and phone calls from Murray Energy workers who felt that they were intimidated into attending Romney's appearance. He said employees were told they'd have to forfeit the day's pay unless they could make up their missed hours on overtime or weekends.

Your source... So we go from forced to attend to "felt intimidated". And they would have lost a day of pay anyway... Nope not seeing anything nefarious, or evil here... It's SOP for VIP visits. Both sides do it.

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Because the company's mine had to be shut down for "safety and security" reasons during Romney's visit, Moore confirmed workers were not paid that day. He said miners also lose pay when weather or power outages shut down the mine, and noted that federal election law doesn't let companies pay workers to attend political events.

Moore said he didn't see anything negative in attending Romney's campaign appearance with U.S. Sen. Rob Portman and Ohio Treasurer Josh Mandel.

"We are talking about an event that was in the best interest of anyone that's related to the coal industry in this area or the entire country," Moore said in the radio interview.

When contacted about the interview on Monday afternoon, Murray Energy spokesman Gary Broadbent emailed this statement: "Rob Moore made it abundantly clear that no employees were forced to attend the Romney event. All participation was, and always has been, completely voluntary."

Blomquist said that he got multiple emails and phone calls from Murray Energy workers who felt that they were intimidated into attending Romney's appearance. He said employees were told they'd have to forfeit the day's pay unless they could make up their missed hours on overtime or weekends.

Your source... So we go from forced to attend to "felt intimidated". And they would have lost a day of pay anyway... Nope not seeing anything nefarious, or evil here... It's SOP for VIP visits. Both sides do it.

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Your source... So we go from forced to attend to "felt intimidated". And they would have lost a day of pay anyway... Nope not seeing anything nefarious, or evil here... It's SOP for VIP visits. Both sides do it.

3 questions.

1. Are you saying that an energy producer was shut down for a VIP visit. It seems that they would want the place going full bore to show all that productivity.

2. If you aren't being paid to work, wouldn't you much rather be at home or out having fun than have to be at the job site?

3. You claim both sides do it. does that mean you approve?

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Perhaps, or perhaps they shut down more often than this story says due to Obama's EPA strangling Coal companies, or the weather, or the CEO stayed out late and got drunk again... Does it really matter?

When VIP's visit the area, I don't get time off.

Nope, I'm saying that this is the way it is, and whining about a Romney visit is a wee bit disingenuous.

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The Ironicator just went into overload.

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Perhaps, or perhaps they shut down more often than this story says due to Obama's EPA strangling Coal companies, or the weather, or the CEO stayed out late and got drunk again... Does it really matter?

When VIP's visit the area, I don't get time off.

Nope, I'm saying that this is the way it is, and whining about a Romney visit is a wee bit disingenuous.

Or perhaps, you have nothing. Coal mines typically run 24/7. Didnt you know that?

Are you saying that when VIP's visit, no cop has the day off? Before you answer, I lived in miami and was good friends with a bunch of their finest.
Are you sayinig you had to show up and not be paid?
I have a feeling that of Obama showed up and unpaid attendance was mandatory, you'd be screaming so loud that it oculd be heard in Alaska.

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Hmmm.. and exactly what does "mandatory" mean?

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Usually when Obama shows up, city governments are stuck paying for his tab. He has quite the history of not paying for his fundraising events and leaving local governments on the hook for event space, overtime, for the police and other city services, etc. This appears to be a phenomenon that's exclusive to the Democratic Party. The federal government does not pay for presidential fundraisers. Those costs are supposed to be paid by the presidents party or by the campaign.

In Durnham N.H., the city council asked the Dems to pony up $30K in advance for extra security for a fundraiser. The Obummers said they were not responsible for those costs and directed the city to the Secret Service. The only reason the event went forward was because an anonymous citizen put up $20K.

Apparently they owe a ton of money to Boston for a series of fund raising events, but I'm not wasting $4 for the privilege of providing a link that everyone else will have to pay $4 to see...

Westport Connecticut is stuck with $14k related to Obama fundraising.

Newport Beach was hit for $35K that they won't likely recover.

I understand that Las Vegas finally recieved $25k that the Obummers owed from a 4 year old, $53K fundraising bill.

The Dems are $15 million in debt for their convention, so this isn't just an issue with Oblamer. The Democratic Party is being led by fiscally irresponsible people who have no understanding of basic economics.

So, yeah... it sucks that a Romney supporter shut his business down and 800 people didn't work for a day, but at least the Romney campaign doesn't make it a habit to leave host cities hanging with unpaid fundraising bills for the use of city services.

-SD-

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Usually when Obama shows up, city governments are stuck paying for his tab. He has quite the history of not paying for his fundraising events and leaving local governments on the hook for event space, overtime, for the police and other city services, etc. This appears to be a phenomenon that's exclusive to the Democratic Party. The federal government does not pay for presidential fundraisers. Those costs are supposed to be paid by the presidents party or by the campaign.

In Durnham N.H., the city council asked the Dems to pony up $30K in advance for extra security for a fundraiser. The Obummers said they were not responsible for those costs and directed the city to the Secret Service. The only reason the event went forward was because an anonymous citizen put up $20K.

Apparently they owe a ton of money to Boston for a series of fund raising events, but I'm not wasting $4 for the privilege of providing a link that everyone else will have to pay $4 to see...

Westport Connecticut is stuck with $14k related to Obama fundraising.

Newport Beach was hit for $35K that they won't likely recover.

I understand that Las Vegas finally recieved $25k that the Obummers owed from a 4 year old, $53K fundraising bill.

The Dems are $15 million in debt for their convention, so this isn't just an issue with Oblamer. The Democratic Party is being led by fiscally irresponsible people who have no understanding of basic economics.

So, yeah... it sucks that a Romney supporter shut his business down and 800 people didn't work for a day, but at least the Romney campaign doesn't make it a habit to leave host cities hanging with unpaid fundraising bills for the use of city services.

-SD-

Do you ever post on topic? That has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of employees being told to show up at a campaign event and not being paid even though attendance is required, I hope I said it simply enough that you can understand it this time. I was apparently too subtle before.

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Do you ever post on topic? That has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of employees being told to show up at a campaign event and not being paid even though attendance is required, I hope I said it simply enough that you can understand it this time. I was apparently too subtle before.

I think it's a perfectly appropriate post. The OP is about unpaid, mandatory political gatherings. I think posting about the extreme fiscal incompetence of the Democratic Party forcing other people to pay for their activities is right in line with the topic. Not only do people close their businesses, but the local governments do not get paid for services rendered when the Democrats come to do their fundraising.

It wasn't that you have been too subtle, it's simply that I really don't care about your opinions, so trying to get all high-and-mighty with me doesn't really work. You simply don't impress me that much. If you were half as smart as you want everyone to think you are, you would have figured that out by now.

-SD-

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For someone who doesnt care about my opinions, you sure do answer them quickly. Inconsistent much?

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Kinkier than a cheap garden hose.

Whoever said "Religion is the opiate of the masses" never heard Right Wing talk radio.

Don't blame me, I voted for Gary Johnson.

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Do you ever post on topic? That has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of employees being told to show up at a campaign event and not being paid even though attendance is required, I hope I said it simply enough that you can understand it this time. I was apparently too subtle before.

I think it's a perfectly appropriate post. The OP is about unpaid, mandatory political gatherings. I think posting about the extreme fiscal incompetence of the Democratic Party forcing other people to pay for their activities is right in line with the topic. Not only do people close their businesses, but the local governments do not get paid for services rendered when the Democrats come to do their fundraising.

It wasn't that you have been too subtle, it's simply that I really don't care about your opinions, so trying to get all high-and-mighty with me doesn't really work. You simply don't impress me that much. If you were half as smart as you want everyone to think you are, you would have figured that out by now.

-SD-

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For someone who doesnt care about my opinions, you sure do answer them quickly. Inconsistent much?

I just happen to be online and saw a response. I wouldn't read too much into it. I follow most conversations I'm involved with while I'm online.

-SD-

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