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slave? - 9/9/2012 6:49:39 AM   
un


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Status: offline 		What is your definition of a true slave? So many like to think of themselves as slaves but are actually subs.
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RE: slave? - 9/9/2012 6:59:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		1) There is no such thing as a "true slave" or a "real" slave or a "natural born" slave.

2) Relationships are defined by the people in them.

I am my Master's slave.
One of His first instructions to me was: "You never give up the right to say "No.".

That freedom, if you want to call it that, does not make me any less His slave.
I belong to Him.
I am His property.

I still obey Him.

It doesn't matter if how we define our relationship doesn't match any one else's definition; this is our relationship.

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RE: slave? - 9/9/2012 7:24:26 AM   
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1) There is no such thing as a "true slave" or a "real" slave or a "natural born" slave.

2) Relationships are defined by the people in them.

I am my Master's slave.
One of His first instructions to me was: "You never give up the right to say "No.".

That freedom, if you want to call it that, does not make me any less His slave.
I belong to Him.
I am His property.

I still obey Him.

It doesn't matter if how we define our relationship doesn't match any one else's definition; this is our relationship.



This.

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RE: slave? - 9/9/2012 7:28:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		You're the fellow looking for a true slave. I'd have to say that your definition and your slave's are the ones that matter.



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RE: slave? - 9/9/2012 7:29:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am Master's slave. Over the years we've been together he has earned my trust and the right to call himself my Master.

However, to others outside our relationship I am most certainly not very slave-like. I speak my mind, tell dirty jokes and have been known to fall asleep after one too many sweet sherries.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that there is no such thing as a universal 'true' slave, just the best slave for that relationship.

I'm his true slave. That's all that matters.

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RE: slave? - 9/9/2012 7:30:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: un

What is your definition of a true slave? So many like to think of themselves as slaves but are actually subs.



Why would my definition of a slave matter? Or anyone else's for that matter? Don't you have your own opinion?

The point I am making here, is that it is just a label. It means only what you allow it to. You can glitter it up all you want to, dress it down with ideas and beliefs, but at the end of the day, it is just a label. And like all labels, they have only the meaning you give them. If it does not align with someone else, you either adopt theirs into yours and accept it, or you do not, and move on.

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RE: slave? - 9/9/2012 9:17:49 AM   
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RE: slave? - 9/9/2012 9:31:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: un

What is your definition of a true slave?

someone that works for Corporate America????... Yanno, someone with a J.O.B.. (Just Over Broke).. But I dont wanna get accused of thread drift..

Since everyone has limits (even those that claim otherwise).. I dont think there is such a thing as a "true slave".. not in civilized developed countries anyway..

eta- the exception is those people that have been kidnapped and forced into slavery by human traffickers.. that is the only true slave, imo..

< Message edited by tj444 -- 9/9/2012 9:36:45 AM >

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RE: slave? - 9/9/2012 9:34:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		A sub is someone who won't do what I will. A slave is someone who will do what I won't.

I wouldn't even hit the radar for the op because I don't view him as dominant. I'm The Man's whatever, and as long as he's happy that's all that matters.

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RE: slave? - 9/9/2012 9:36:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you have a sales reciept, you have a true slave.

Otherwise it's BDSM lifestyle stuff and subject to the definitions of the people involved. That being said, there is a genarlly accepted difference between a submissive's relationship role and a slave's role. But you will be hard pressed to get any group of people on the internet to agree about it. In the real world, the negotiation points are the defining factors. However, as to your question, the only difference between a true slave and all others is the sales reciept.

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RE: slave? - 9/9/2012 9:42:04 AM   
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RE: slave? - 9/9/2012 10:12:06 AM   
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The following statement is a total pile of crock...

"I am Master's slave. Over the years we've been together he has earned my trust and the right to call himself my Master."

In BDSM there is no actual Master or Slave it is nothing more than PLAY/PRETEND with self labelled titles... like going to a Star Trek or D&D convention... everybody dressed up in costume and pretending a role. The problem is that at least these people (usually) take of the pretense after they go home). Did your alleged Master take any training to become a Master? How did he EARN the title? Did he understudy a past Master of an actual House? Of course not... He didn't earn a thing other than your affection and so called trust. Where did he get the tital? Did he just take the name and title... like plagiarism? You claim to be a slave and he earned the right to be called your Master? Give me a break, when did you become qualified to bestow a earned title upon anybody? Just because you TRUST HIM? That makes a Master? Again that is a pile of crock that is part of the FAD of people that want to play and pretend in this "Lifestyle" as opposed to being a way of life. I have liven in countries where slavery was allowed and practice, there is no slave that would say what you have said, they have no rights to bestow a title, they have no ability to say "I don't like this so I'm taking my marbles and leaving." they have no say as to how they will be used or not used.

So this whole discussion on the definition of a "True" slave is more of a discussion of the definition of a play slave in a play lifestyle... which bottom line is a waste of time. As long as a person has the ability to leave they are not a "Slave" regardless of what they call themselves. You can also extend that to the US citizen that is under the delusion that they are free... because they are not and they have little self control. Look up citizen or person in a legal dictionary and the UCC/USC and you will find the definition of "Slave to the state"... that of being a corporate entity and under the jurisdiction of the corporate government (as opposed tot he Republic Constitutional Government that no longer exists since 1871 it is all in the history if you bother to study and read). America has become a 3rd world country and 27th in education.... the dumbing down of America with the sustaining of false pride to control the people.

By the way, for those that are determined to flame me, I did understudy masters of established houses in non-American Houses. I am just short of 3 degrees educationally, and I have researched behavioral Psychology for 25 years... although that is not my primary profession. Unlike the vast majority of people here I spend a lot of time studying and reading historal documents and other text to understand what I am talking about. Rather than just being like a loud mouth liberal that spouts emotional diatribe and intellectual constipation that have no clue as to the critical difference between a Democracy and a Republic.

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RE: slave? - 9/9/2012 10:16:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: un

What is your definition of a true slave? So many like to think of themselves as slaves but are actually subs.

If you can leave, you're not a slave.

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RE: slave? - 9/9/2012 10:19:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HuCowMilkMaster2


The following statement is a total pile of crock...

"I am Master's slave. Over the years we've been together he has earned my trust and the right to call himself my Master."

In BDSM there is no actual Master or Slave it is nothing more than PLAY/PRETEND with self labelled titles... like going to a Star Trek or D&D convention... everybody dressed up in costume and pretending a role. The problem is that at least these people (usually) take of the pretense after they go home). Did your alleged Master take any training to become a Master? How did he EARN the title? Did he understudy a past Master of an actual House? Of course not... He didn't earn a thing other than your affection and so called trust. Where did he get the tital? Did he just take the name and title... like plagiarism? You claim to be a slave and he earned the right to be called your Master? Give me a break, when did you become qualified to bestow a earned title upon anybody? Just because you TRUST HIM? That makes a Master? Again that is a pile of crock that is part of the FAD of people that want to play and pretend in this "Lifestyle" as opposed to being a way of life. I have liven in countries where slavery was allowed and practice, there is no slave that would say what you have said, they have no rights to bestow a title, they have no ability to say "I don't like this so I'm taking my marbles and leaving." they have no say as to how they will be used or not used.

So this whole discussion on the definition of a "True" slave is more of a discussion of the definition of a play slave in a play lifestyle... which bottom line is a waste of time. As long as a person has the ability to leave they are not a "Slave" regardless of what they call themselves. You can also extend that to the US citizen that is under the delusion that they are free... because they are not and they have little self control. Look up citizen or person in a legal dictionary and the UCC/USC and you will find the definition of "Slave to the state"... that of being a corporate entity and under the jurisdiction of the corporate government (as opposed tot he Republic Constitutional Government that no longer exists since 1871 it is all in the history if you bother to study and read). America has become a 3rd world country and 27th in education.... the dumbing down of America with the sustaining of false pride to control the people.

By the way, for those that are determined to flame me, I did understudy masters of established houses in non-American Houses. I am just short of 3 degrees educationally, and I have researched behavioral Psychology for 25 years... although that is not my primary profession. Unlike the vast majority of people here I spend a lot of time studying and reading historal documents and other text to understand what I am talking about. Rather than just being like a loud mouth liberal that spouts emotional diatribe and intellectual constipation that have no clue as to the critical difference between a Democracy and a Republic.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!! *deep breath* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! ! *wipes tears of laughter from my face* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!


DUDE!! yer KILLIN' me here!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHJAHA!

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RE: slave? - 9/9/2012 10:23:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HuCowMilkMaster2

By the way, for those that are determined to flame me, I did understudy masters of established houses in non-American Houses. I am just short of 3 degrees educationally, and I have researched behavioral Psychology for 25 years... although that is not my primary profession. Unlike the vast majority of people here I spend a lot of time studying and reading historal documents and other text to understand what I am talking about. Rather than just being like a loud mouth liberal that spouts emotional diatribe and intellectual constipation that have no clue as to the critical difference between a Democracy and a Republic.



Does this mean you are more educated so don't argue with you? Good way to start and end a debate? Or you came to stir some shit?



How about we bypass all that and just let people do what they do, call it what they want and pay more attention to our own reality than disrespecting the reality of others, whether you feel it is reality or not?


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RE: slave? - 9/9/2012 10:27:05 AM   
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RE: slave? - 9/9/2012 10:45:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HuCowMilkMaster2


The following statement is a total pile of crock...

"I am Master's slave. Over the years we've been together he has earned my trust and the right to call himself my Master."



Actually, the phrase you're looking for is 'crock of shit' or similar. If you don't understand or know a metaphor, it's best to just leave it alone.

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In BDSM there is no actual Master or Slave it is nothing more than PLAY/PRETEND with self labelled titles... like going to a Star Trek or D&D convention... everybody dressed up in costume and pretending a role. The problem is that at least these people (usually) take of the pretense after they go home).



[sarcasm] No! Really? You mean I can get up and walk away and stop following his instructions to the letter? Who knew!! [/sarcasm]

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Did your alleged Master take any training to become a Master? How did he EARN the title? Did he understudy a past Master of an actual House? Of course not... He didn't earn a thing other than your affection and so called trust. Where did he get the tital? Did he just take the name and title... like plagiarism? You claim to be a slave and he earned the right to be called your Master? Give me a break, when did you become qualified to bestow a earned title upon anybody? Just because you TRUST HIM? That makes a Master? Again that is a pile of crock that is part of the FAD of people that want to play and pretend in this "Lifestyle" as oppos[ed to being a way of life. I have liven in countries where slavery was allowed and practice, there is no slave that would say what you have said, they have no rights to bestow a title, they have no ability to say "I don't like this so I'm taking my marbles and leaving." they have no say as to how they will be used or not used.



Sweetcheeks, this is reality. Let me say it again...IT IS REALITY. I'm qualified because it's MY relationship with him. That's all we need.

You seem to be getting your milking machine in a tangle over something that's not actually part of your weird little world. I repeat...this is OUR REALITY in the REAL world.

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So this whole discussion on the definition of a "True" slave is more of a discussion of the definition of a play slave in a play lifestyle... which bottom line is a waste of time. As long as a person has the ability to leave they are not a "Slave" regardless of what they call themselves.



Okaaaay...we're living a happy life in the real world with a real-life power exchange. It's not play, it's the foundation of our relationship. We aren't wasting time - we're having a great, happy life together. Your opinion may differ, but we don't give a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut about your opinion because...well, we read your profile. 'nuff said.

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You can also extend that to the US citizen that is under the delusion that they are free... because they are not and they have little self control. Look up citizen or person in a legal dictionary and the UCC/USC and you will find the definition of "Slave to the state"... that of being a corporate entity and under the jurisdiction of the corporate government (as opposed tot he Republic Constitutional Government that no longer exists since 1871 it is all in the history if you bother to study and read). America has become a 3rd world country and 27th in education.... the dumbing down of America with the sustaining of false pride to control the people.


Not American. Don't care.

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By the way, for those that are determined to flame me, I did understudy masters of established houses in non-American Houses. I am just short of 3 degrees educationally, and I have researched behavioral Psychology for 25 years... although that is not my primary profession. Unlike the vast majority of people here I spend a lot of time studying and reading historal documents and other text to understand what I am talking about. Rather than just being like a loud mouth liberal that spouts emotional diatribe and intellectual constipation that have no clue as to the critical difference between a Democracy and a Republic.


I have 3 degrees, two undergraduate and one postgraduate. I'm currently studing for a second postgraduate degree. So now we've finished the mildly amusing pissing competition about who is smarter (on paper, at least)...

I have no idea what you mean by you 'understudy masters of established houses in non-American Houses'. Apart from the appalling abuse of capital letters, this just stinks of fantasy-land bdsm. Where were these non-American Houses? Why where you never good enough to become the master rather than the understudy? Is this failure why you turned to farming instead?

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RE: slave? - 9/9/2012 10:47:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HuCowMilkMaster2


The following statement is a total pile of crock...

"I am Master's slave. Over the years we've been together he has earned my trust and the right to call himself my Master."


And yet, she's the one in a happy, successful relationship. Go figure.


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RE: slave? - 9/9/2012 10:48:15 AM   
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RE: slave? - 9/9/2012 11:00:20 AM   
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English is a wonderful language, with such complexity and depth that incredible nuance and specific meaning can be conveyed. A great many years of developing, adapting and borrowing from other languages has led to a richness and texture that allows even the least poetic user to draw such fine and detailed distinctions of meaning. And yet it still falls vastly short of even beginning to express the infinitely more complicated subject of human relationships and interactions.

Or to put it another way: words are just words. Every relationship is unique to the people involved. We use these words, like 'submissive', 'slave', 'master', inadequate though they are, as a starting point in our communication - just a vague, general point of reference to help others understand roughly where we are coming from, so that we can enter into meaningful discussion. Don't get too hung up on the definitions of individual words. It's like trying to discuss the colour blue - you'll never know for sure whether your eyes see the same shades that mine do, and to argue which is 'right' is meaningless.

When you say 'these people claim to be slaves but are really subs' what you are really saying is 'these people don't meet the standards I want them to'. Human relationships are not absolutes. I may not love the same way as you, but you can't tell me I'm not experiencing 'true' love.

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