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"I'm using you sexually whether you like it or not"

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Possibly what some ladies with 'Rape Fantasies" are interested in is more like what would be described as a 'Take down Scene'.

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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

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It's my considered opinion that rape, or as I prefer to use the distinction ravagement, is the basis for most female sexual fantasy and certainly most submissive female sexual fantasy.

Let me break this down. First, I agree with Kana, rape is a vile act and by it's very nature, not wanted or desired in any way by the receiver. Ravagement, which can be defined as a strong male sexually "taking" a female in a way she wants and needs most, is the basis of the romance novel -- the romance novel being the female equivalent of pornography.

Male sexual fantasy tends to revolve more along the lines of the (attractive) girl willing to do whatever I want. This varies along the lines of I own her so she has to do whatever I want (a slavegirl fantasy), or I can compel her, or I can inspire her, depending on the man. Some want pure surrender, some (it's been my experience far fewer) want force, others want it to be mutual. All men seem to love having an attractive female desire them for whatever reason.

In my mind, these foundational fantasies are at the basis of all BDSM fantasies. Some of us dress them up and add props or whatever, but to me, it all boils down to some people like to be taken, and some like to do the taking.

Now, I'm someone who loves the ravagement fantasy and have owed up to that for *quite* some time. Not being able to fulfill that for me would be a deal breaker. It's been my experience that many dominants just won't go there. I don't mean won't go there at first, I mean, not at all, not ever. It's not something they can do, even in a very role play kinda way.

That's been my experience, but then I am a piss poor masochist, so have kept well away from the big bad sadists like Kana. He scares the scat out of me, as well he should.

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Possibly what some ladies with 'Rape Fantasies" are interested in is more like what would be described as a 'Take down Scene'.

I don't always consider takedown scenes to be sexual, though. And speaking for myself, not a kind of play that I seek out, because I am a delicate flower! I might break a nail! Or his neck!

w/r/t Miss Chatte's post about "ravishment"... I love that stuff. I have vague memories of a passionate past, and that was a good thing. It was not an AGGRESSIVE thing, though. Intense, but not violent and aggressive in the "do it or I will hurt you worse" kind of way that rape play is.

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I think one has to be careful with this. I understand that for you it doesn't float your boat. But just like schoolgirl play or s&m, or other forms of play, that have real world counterparts that are horrific, I think one has to take this for what it is. Play.

I've dressed the schoolgirl part for Dominants before. I don't condone pedophilia.

I've engaged in s&m that under most International Protocols would be considered torture. I do not condone the use of torture on prisoners.

I enjoy the submissive role in the bedroom. I do not condone the disenfranchisement, ill-treatment or neglect of girls and women anywhere.

Quite frankly, if I used the benchmarks that I have in real life to define my play, I wouldn't be part of this world at all. One does have to separate play from reality. I hope just because a Dominant enjoys his role that he is not a misogynist or someone who thinks the actual oppression of women is okay. I do think it is possible to keep play and reality separate. And if it's not, tell me now, cuz I shouldn't be here, then. Just saying....